Trans men In bathhouses

[NWUSHorny]

1 hour ago, TallAussieBtm said:

If all the FTM guys in all the gin joints in all the world (who wanna commune with naked gay guys fucking anything that moves in a bathhouse) came into mine, I'm sure the number and proportion would be so infinitesimally small as to be unnoticeable! I just don't see why folks are getting their knickers in a twist over this. If you encounter even one, consider yourself exceptional and buy a lottery ticket I say! 😎

I think that gin joint is Hawks in Portland, there will be FTM there on any weekend night. I've also seen them at the other Portland bathhouse and at least 1 Seattle bathhouse. Maybe there are more people here who have transitioned, I've never encountered one outside of the PNW region. 

What you won't find is gay guys fucking anything that moves.

Edited December 14, 2023 by NWUSHorny

[Theo8]

On 12/13/2023 at 5:43 PM, JamesL100 said:

It works both ways. Do the trans wanting fun at bathhouses also realise how uncomfortable their presence is for some of the regular patrons? Best to have a separate event for them and admirers?

we could play fill in the blank with that statement until the end of time-twinks, bears, guys of color, older guys, younger guys, etc.  

[inmyass262]

As long as they present themselves as a man you’re a man in my book. My bathhouse I go to just says exactly that “you must present yourself as a man”.

[KindaBasic]

It’s all good. 

[wallacemartini]

A man's a man. 

[NicNorth]

I would welcome them with open arms and a hard cock 

[IrishBoi]

On 11/30/2023 at 5:18 PM, chipygmalion80 said:

YES!  have had fun fucking trans in bathhouse.

BUT I won't be calling anyone "they/them"

pretty transphobic that you support trans people but not non binary people. you either support us all or none of us. I am gender fluid and go by they/them thanks for letting me know to steer clear of you 

[IrishBoi]

On 12/3/2023 at 9:10 PM, raw773 said:

Not interested in seeing trans people at the bathhouse.

so are you transphobic??

[11bi11guy]

On 12/6/2023 at 10:08 PM, Close2MyBro said:

It makes a HUGE difference. This is the difference between subjective an objective. This entire discussion is subjective, not objective, meaning that it is solely driven by opinion, not fact. To call someone a bigot because their opinion differs from yours is ridiculous, because you then would have to be a bigot yourself by the same measurement.

Second-level tolerance is not at issue when it comes to questions of justice and fairness. It’s like a neo-Nazi demanding someone be tolerant of their intolerance.

Fairness is a key concept in determining whether someone is a bigot. If I dislike you because you’re being a bigot to other people based on characteristics they cannot control, my dislike is not unfair dislike, and therefore I am not a bigot. Your subjective opinion—in this case, about how you want to exclude individuals within a group defined by immutable characteristics—is not itself an immutable characteristic. From both descriptive and normative perspectives, you can and should learn to be more tolerant of the immutable characteristics of others that don’t affect you in the slightest.

Trans men are men, but you get to choose what you want to do with your body, and nobody is forcing you to have sex with them. Their scary vaginas aren’t going to leap at you in a dark corner of a bathhouse.

[Leather-lee]

On 12/4/2023 at 9:53 PM, viking8x6 said:

For the various people contributing to this topic who have denigrated trans men as "not real" or the like:

As others have said, this is rude. But also, it's absurd. Many trans men are in fact extremely masculine - because they have gone to great effort and expense to become so, in spite of the biological disadvantage they started with. And many of the "real" men you would supposedly welcome in bathhouses are far, far less masculine! I'm talking about all of those exclusive bottoms, self-declared "sissy faggots", and persons with what they refer to as a "clitty", about whom you can read extensively elsewhere on BZ.

None of the posts you all have made are against the rules (inasmuch as they haven't been ad hominem so far). Yes, you can say those things here. But if you choose to say it, you can expect to be criticized (and appropriately so) for saying something idiotic. Saying "I don't like seeing that in a bathhouse" is a reasonable personal response to the topic. Saying "That isn't a real man" or "Nobody would want to see that" is not.

 

 

Masculinity is still separate from the very reality of being a biological man. Butch lesbians are often masculine and encapsulate this perfectly and I'm sure you wouldn't view then as potential sex partners, or perhaps you would? Those sissy guys, bottoms or fembois are still men regardless of what they're wearing or their presentation - it's all a role they're playing, regardless of whether you or I like it or not.

[Erik62]

On 11/29/2023 at 3:40 PM, Chubbytransguy said:

How do you feel about transgender men in places like bathhouses and male-only swinger’s clubs?

NO😤!! Transmen want access to female spaces which makes them INELIGIBLE, for access to mens spaces. You are not able to pick & choose which sex you want to be on any given day. I honestly do not know why anyone would want to go into any space where they find negative responses from the people around them. 

[Erik62]

8 minutes ago, Erik62 said:

NO😤!! Transmen want access to female spaces which makes them INELIGIBLE, for access to mens spaces. You are not able to pick & choose which sex you want to be on any given day. I honestly do not know why anyone would want to go into any space where they find negative responses from the people around them. 

Very confusing. I have commented on a transman being a male to woman. This is how trans are defined in Australia 🇦🇺. I apologise. 

[KindaBasic]

Trans men are men. If you are insecure about your own masculinity, that’s your issue. I have no more problem than I have with any other man might not fancy. 

[Rillion]

So I have had sex with a trans man at a sex party that was male identified. I'm assuming his pronouns here, at the time I just referred to him as boy. He was blindfolded and in a sling. I just asked him if he had a preference for which holeI fucked and he said no. I fucked his cunt since it isn't something I get to do often. I assume with either the hormones or birth control that he wasn't fertile, but I still got turned on by the idea of impregnating this young man who looked like an otter without a dick but with an extra whole.

I don't see what the big deal is. There are often a lot of individuals I am not attracted to at a sex club, sex party, or bathhouse. I don't take offense at their presence, I just try to focus on the ones I do find attractive and more importantly the ones that I'm attracted to that want to have sex with me lol. 

The only issue I would have would be for parties where cis women and trans women were present, not because I object to them being there, but I don't want the individuals that want to have sex with them there, ie straight identifying guys. So my issue would be more with sexual orientation than with gender presentation. 

Edited September 27 by Rillion

[Erik62]

On 12/18/2023 at 4:26 PM, Theo8 said:

we could play fill in the blank with that statement until the end of time-twinks, bears, guys of color, older guys, younger guys, etc.  

Different issue. Those you mention are all men & that is what gay men go, to a gay mens sauna for, to pick up with other GAY MEN, not women. I go for coffee, dinners etc with trans men BUT, I don't want to have sex or be watched having sex, by ANY women. SORRY, if this offends😟.