Trans men In bathhouses

[Erik62]

On 9/24/2024 at 3:36 AM, 11bi11guy said:

Second-level tolerance is not at issue when it comes to questions of justice and fairness. It’s like a neo-Nazi demanding someone be tolerant of their intolerance.

Fairness is a key concept in determining whether someone is a bigot. If I dislike you because you’re being a bigot to other people based on characteristics they cannot control, my dislike is not unfair dislike, and therefore I am not a bigot. Your subjective opinion—in this case, about how you want to exclude individuals within a group defined by immutable characteristics—is not itself an immutable characteristic. From both descriptive and normative perspectives, you can and should learn to be more tolerant of the immutable characteristics of others that don’t affect you in the slightest.

Trans men are men, but you get to choose what you want to do with your body, and nobody is forcing you to have sex with them. Their scary vaginas aren’t going to leap at you in a dark corner of a bathhouse.

But trans men also want access to womens, facilities, lavs, sports etc. They can't have it both ways. It is also unreasonable for everyone to change their beliefs. This is not being transphobic

 

[Erik62]

4 hours ago, Rillion said:

So I have had sex with a trans man at a sex party that was male identified. I'm assuming his pronouns here, at the time I just referred to him as boy. He was blindfolded and in a sling. I just asked him if he had a preference for which holeI fucked and he said no. I fucked his cunt since it isn't something I get to do often. I assume with either the hormones or birth control that he wasn't fertile, but I still got turned on by the idea of impregnating this young man who looked like an otter without a dick but with an extra whole.

I don't see what the big deal is. There are often a lot of individuals I am not attracted to at a sex club, sex party, or bathhouse. I don't take offense at their presence, I just try to focus on the ones I do find attractive and more importantly the ones that I'm attracted to that want to have sex with me lol. 

The only issue I would have would be for parties where cis women and trans women were present, not because I object to them being there, but I don't want the individuals that want to have sex with them there, ie straight identifying guys. So my issue would be more with sexual orientation than with gender presentation. 

Now who is being straight phobic. You are happy for transmen in gay saunas but, you don't want straight men at a Party. Something is wrong with your logic🤔🤔. 

[Rillion]

42 minutes ago, Erik62 said:

Now who is being straight phobic. You are happy for transmen in gay saunas but, you don't want straight men at a Party. Something is wrong with your logic🤔🤔. 

I have no problems being biased against straight people, I don't fear them, I just don't like them. What is wrong with wanting queer spaces? Most of society caters to straight people, particularly to straight men. Trust me, there are enough events that cater to swingers, that they don't need to be in queer spaces.

[Erik62]

1 hour ago, Rillion said:

I have no problems being biased against straight people, I don't fear them, I just don't like them. What is wrong with wanting queer spaces? Most of society caters to straight people, particularly to straight men. Trust me, there are enough events that cater to swingers, that they don't need to be in queer spaces.

With that attitude, of straight phobia, you can't make any comment when gay men object to transmen in saunas / bath houses. Gay saunas, clubs etc ARE NOT QUEER SPACES. They are gay spaces, for gay men. Once again, a person cannot claimwoman hood & then roll up to a GAY SAUNA. Easy alternative is to open trans clubs, as lesbians & gays have done. If not gay, do not enter. 

[Rillion]

7 hours ago, Erik62 said:

With that attitude, of straight phobia, you can't make any comment when gay men object to transmen in saunas / bath houses. Gay saunas, clubs etc ARE NOT QUEER SPACES. They are gay spaces, for gay men. Once again, a person cannot claimwoman hood & then roll up to a GAY SAUNA. Easy alternative is to open trans clubs, as lesbians & gays have done. If not gay, do not enter. 

Lol, I'm going to say what I want regardless of how much it gets your panties in a wad. Also show me where I complained about anyone else's opinion. I stated mine, that I don't mind transmen in sex clubs, parties, or bathhouses. 

So just realize that you are the one complaining to me because I have an opinion that differs from yours. Not the other way around. 

Edited September 27 by Rillion

[Rillion]

9 hours ago, Erik62 said:

But trans men also want access to womens, facilities, lavs, sports etc. They can't have it both ways. It is also unreasonable for everyone to change their beliefs. This is not being transphobic

 

That's not the topic of this thread and who elected you the spokesperson for the trans community to let us know what they want? 

Edited September 27 by Rillion

[Erik62]

52 minutes ago, Rillion said:

Lol, I'm going to say what I want regardless of how much it gets your panties in a wad. Also show me where I complained about anyone else's opinion. I stated mine, that I don't mind transmen in sex clubs, parties, or bathhouses. 

So just realize that you are the one complaining to me because I have an opinion that differs from yours. Not the other way around. 

Your complaint was straight men at parties. Dick wad

[Erik62]

45 minutes ago, Rillion said:

That's not the topic of this thread and who elected you the spokesperson for the trans community to let us know what they want? 

We know what you want by the international nightmare of transmen in womens spces, prisons, sports, toilets. The thread of this topic is transmen in gay saunas. Which translates to trans in spaces not open to them. 

[partying.hard]

3 hours ago, Rillion said:

That's not the topic of this thread and who elected you the spokesperson for the trans community to let us know what they want? 

 

3 hours ago, Erik62 said:

Your complaint was straight men at parties. Dick wad

You boys need to be nice or @viking8x6 is going to smack you with his 8x6!

[SomewhereonNeptune]

8 hours ago, Rillion said:

Lol, I'm going to say what I want regardless of how much it gets your panties in a wad. Also show me where I complained about anyone else's opinion. I stated mine, that I don't mind transmen in sex clubs, parties, or bathhouses. 

So just realize that you are the one complaining to me because I have an opinion that differs from yours. Not the other way around. 

 

8 hours ago, Rillion said:

That's not the topic of this thread and who elected you the spokesperson for the trans community to let us know what they want? 

 

8 hours ago, Erik62 said:

Your complaint was straight men at parties. Dick wad

Just...wow. This escalated quickly. Perhaps being bi/pan (disclaimer) I'm not seeing the big problem here and why people are so triggered by this. (Disclaimer: I also like pussy. I enjoy pussy. I even remember pussy. 🤣😂) So this might not be as popular a view, but...

Consider:

• IF a transman/FtM comes into a gay bathhouse, they know (or should know) not to expect much accommodation for separate facilities.
• They're more than likely not ramming something into a bottom, so that's only a very remote concern (better chance of a winning lottery ticket).
• And if you're there as a top and looking just to fuck indiscriminately (an ass is an ass, a hole is a hole), it's still your choice whether you want to engage with them. You're still able to politely decline and they'll move along, just as anyone else would be expected.

Ask yourselves: Are we truly open and accepting as an LGBTQIA++ community, or does that only apply to gay men? Because a lot of this sounds biased against anything other than gay from reading through the most recent of these.

[Erik62]

21 minutes ago, SomewhereonNeptune said:

 

 

Just...wow. This escalated quickly. Perhaps being bi/pan (disclaimer) I'm not seeing the big problem here and why people are so triggered by this. (Disclaimer: I also like pussy. I enjoy pussy. I even remember pussy. 🤣😂) So this might not be as popular a view, but...

Consider:

• IF a transman/FtM comes into a gay bathhouse, they know (or should know) not to expect much accommodation for separate facilities.
• They're more than likely not ramming something into a bottom, so that's only a very remote concern (better chance of a winning lottery ticket).
• And if you're there as a top and looking just to fuck indiscriminately (an ass is an ass, a hole is a hole), it's still your choice whether you want to engage with them. You're still able to politely decline and they'll move along, just as anyone else would be expected.

Ask yourselves: Are we truly open and accepting as an LGBTQIA++ community, or does that only apply to gay men? Because a lot of this sounds biased against anything other than gay from reading through the most recent of these.

Separate facilities is not simply a gay mans concept. It is socially acceptable, in nearly all societies gay, lesbian, & straight, to separate sexes / genders. Why would a person claiming to be a woman want to enter gay spaces🤔?? It is not bias or trans phobia but, simply are desire to have certain places for privacy. Even unisex toilets make myself & many others uncomfortable but I am not female phobic. Also, why is this issue not causing a problem for trans women🤔??? 

[SomewhereonNeptune]

Just now, Erik62 said:

Separate facilities is not simply a gay mans concept. It is socially acceptable, in nearly all societies gay, lesbian, & straight, to separate sexes / genders. Why would a person claiming to be a woman want to enter gay spaces🤔?? It is not bias or trans phobia but, simply are desire to have certain places for privacy. Even unisex toilets make myself & many others uncomfortable but I am not female phobic. Also, why is this issue not causing a problem for trans women🤔??? 

@Erik62, I totally get that and was rather waiting for this as a response. But as I made mention...

• IF a transman/FtM comes into a gay bathhouse, they know (or should know) not to expect much accommodation for separate facilities. They 👏 Identify 👏 As 👏 Male 👏

If they want to come in, they are generally considering themselves as a guy or they identify as male even if AFAB. Counter to your contention, many trans men or FtMs are not claiming to be women at all. Example: Elliot Page (dead name Ellen Page) no longer identifies as female, she'd likely be offended by not being viewed as either non-binary or male-identifying. So your argument is flawed by the assumption that they identify female.

Since unisex toilets make you 'uncomfortable', perhaps think about 'why'. You say you aren't trans phobic or female phobic or biased, but I'm respectfully challenging that a bit on why it triggers guys that a "trans-guy" would be off-putting to genetic or CIS males. There's a pic of an "all-genders loo" in this post. One toilet, no waiting. No managing the demand for male or female facilities. Would you visit someone's home and ask "Do you have a separate toilet for my specific gender?" I'm guessing not.

Why this isn't causing an issue for trans women? Much like trans men, if they're going to a gay bathhouse, I'm guessing they want the same thing from the gay men there. Just a hunch. 😉

[Rillion]

12 hours ago, Erik62 said:

Your complaint was straight men at parties. Dick wad

Yes I don't like straight men at parties, again I am stating my opinion. I didn't say what anyone else should believe or prefer. I didn't complain about anyone else's opinion or preferences. Why do you feel I'm not entitled to my opinion and to express it here? 

Edited September 28 by Rillion

[11bi11guy]

On 9/27/2024 at 1:37 AM, Erik62 said:

But trans men also want access to womens, facilities, lavs, sports etc. They can't have it both ways. It is also unreasonable for everyone to change their beliefs. This is not being transphobic

 

First, you’re generalizing.

Second, your generalization is based on zero data. I’ve never heard of a single instance of a trans man—someone born female who has transitioned to become a man—wanting access to women’s facilities. And while I can’t say for certain that has never happened, I would estimate that the vast majority of trans men only want access to facilities for men. Even if there were an instance of a trans man seeking access to women’s facilities, go back and read #1 above.

Your opinion is illogical and uneducated.

 

[Rillion]

So went to the Mr S Leather party today for Folsom. These were the bathrooms. Triggered! (Also there was another all gender bathroom that had a urinal) 

Edited September 28 by Rillion