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OK. I agree with respecting the choice of a bottom to always have the top wear a condom when he get's fucked. But I'm divided when it has to do with the fact that it happened in a darkroom. Stealthing, that is, secretly shooting cum inside a bottom's hole, NOT INFECTING, it's a pretty hot scene for many guys. And, as it is with many other fantasies, we want to be able to realize them so we go to sex clubs, darkrooms, gloryholes and saunas to explore, watch, and maybe experience all kinds of fantasies. neg4poz says: Then, he reiterates: Let's assume that this bottom in the bench did get stealthed and went to the sex clinic weeks later to get tested because he was worried that he may have been infected. I doubt he would tell the nurse at the clinic the truth of where and how the stealthing happened. And if he did tell the truth to the nurse, being in the fuck bench in a darkroom, I'm sure the nurse would suggest to stay away from these high-risk activities. What is the answer to neg4poz's and my question: What are the places then for X-sex, where everything goes, where fantasies run wild? Darkrooms in saunas could be one of such places. Although I can understand that a bottom who wants condoms may also want to use the bench in the darkroom. I'm divided on this issue.

I once hooked up with a young guy in his early 20's. When I opened the door I couldn't believe how hot he was. I thought he was going to turn around and leave. But instead he approached me and started to kiss me and we made out. We spent a good two hours together. Before he left I asked him why did he like older men when he was so hot and could get any man he wanted. His response was "Young men play too many games." I think that life experience makes a difference in attitudes towards sex. But also most people as they get older care less about what other people think of them and thus, are able to be more "themselves". It's not that young men "play games" on purpose but simply that they may feel like hooking up but then something "scares" them and they may change their minds. I think it's because young men have more difficulties "being themselves" and too worried about what people may say about them, that slutty young bottoms are so much in demand. The world is full of slutty older bottoms so when a young one shows up he becomes the centre of attention. On the other hand, aging men who like to top don't seem to have any problems finding bottoms, including young bottoms. Many young guys can be very offensive to older men, but at the same time there are many older men who behave very inappropriately with young guys. Some of the anger may come from having had the experience of older men being very annoying. Yes, some men like older and some men like younger. But there is a big difference. Men who like older men may not be drawn to younger men but don't find younger men disgusting as is the case of some men who like younger men and who find the idea of sex with older men disgusting. Older men have to keep this in mind and try not to impose themselves on younger guys. Personally, I never chase younger men unless they show interest in me. To the younger men I tell them not to spit to the sky because if they are lucky and they don't die soon, they will be old too. Also, show some kind of compassion for older men who when they were young, never had the same opportunities to explore their sexuality the way young men can do it today.

In the sauna I go, the one that shows BB movies, the TV room is between the darkroom/gloryhole area and the hallway with the rooms. So a guy watching porn and who starts feeling horny after watching cum drip out of cumholes can either get sucked or walk into the darkroom or look for an open door and a willing hole. I think that watching bareback movies makes many men hornier.

I guess what prompted me to write this thread was the idea of a "victim" of stealthing as expressed in the previous post of a friend who pozed after being stealth. I can accept that stealthing is not an acceptable behavior but at the same time the guy being stealth bares some responsibility and is not just a victim. Especially when this occurs in a darkroom of a sauna. I like keeping the issue of personal responsibility in mind when it comes to stalthing and HIV-status.

Wow! How do I respond to all of this? First, when I talk about stealthing I don't mean infecting someone with HIV. Unlike many guys in this site, my fetish is with cum and not with HIV. Of course, I know that stealthing increases the risk. Second, what turns me on about saunas and other anonymous/impersonal sexual settings is that the regular social rules don't apply in the same way. I can stare at someone's cock or in the dark room I can grab someone's ass without being accused of assault. I can also lie in order to fit into someone's fantasy. For instance, I've been asked if I'm a policeman and I've said yes. In other words, for me these places are places of "fantasy" and behaviour deviates from "civil society". In darkrooms the thrill is having sex with "bodies" and "body parts" and not with people. That's why it's called Impersonal Sex. Condemning stealthing in darkrooms in the way it's been expressed here takes away from the thrill of anonymous sex in darkrooms. Third, I started to bareback almost 20 years ago after I was stealth fucked by someone and I loved it. After that I never looked back. So for me stealthing is a big turn-on. Sometimes guys want somebody else to make the decision to bareback and ask for a condom but they hope the top won't use it. I've seen this happening. This guy in Steamworks could have been one of these guys. Or he could have been a poz guy who is playing at being HIV-neg. I don't feel bad about anonymous stealthing because it's easy to avoid by having sex in less anonymous situations. I like having sexual spaces where "everything goes" and two guys don't treat each other like people but like two horny guys with fetishes.

As I wrote in another post I see nothing wrong with stealthing (or lying about status) in sexual situations that are casual, impersonal or anonymous. So let me present to you a case where I think stealthing would not be wrong at all because it falls in the anonymous situation. This happened at the sauna Steamworks in Toronto. Steamworks is a very good sauna with 2 dark areas. The dark area closer to the front desk has a gloryhole area (not very good), an elevated area for guys who want their cocks sucked, and a dark backroom with a wall of mirrors and a fuck bench. This fuck bench is ideal for cumdumps and many fight for it. When the place is busy it's hard to get on the fuck bench. All you see are silhouettes. If the bench is taken I enjoy watching slutty bottoms and even help them get loads by luring guys into fucking him. This time there was a bottom taking over the fuck bench but he was insisting on condoms. I would help guys to get it hard enough to stick it in the bottom's hole but he would then pass me a condom and not allow the cock to touch his hole without a condom. Anyone in a dark room with his hole lubed should not demand this or that. He should take whatever comes his way. If not, then get off the bench and allow some real cumdump to get on it. At the time I didn't say or do anything but if I were now faced by a bottom in a very anonymous situation who insisted in wearing condoms, I would do everything I could to stealth him. And I would not feel bad at all. There has to be places for men who want to live their most secret fetishes. Stealthing does have it's place.

But apparently you're not sure. Then you go on to say that your friend How can you be sure your friend ALWAYS plays safe unless you were him. Because of all the health consequences of barebacking many men who even occasionally bareback won't be telling everyone what they did last Saturday night at the sauna. Barebacking is the way men will always prefer to have sex so it doesn't surprise me when I meet men who bareback. But it doesn't mean everyone has to know it. I see nothing wrong with stealthing in sexual encounters that are casual, impersonal and anonymous. I'm not sure what the circumstances of your friend were. Was your friend stealth and pozed by his long term partner or by some trick? It's easy to avoid the annoyances and worries of STI's: be monogamous and have one exclusive sexual partner who you trust. Any kind of cheating is then plain wrong. But I cannot make a judgment on stealthing in general. I have to know the circumstances.

I can understand you because when I was young I was very frustrated by not being able to find younger men in cruising places. Most men who frequented saunas and parks were generally older than me and older men were not a big turn on. But unfortunately most men become more daring as they age and are willing to take more sexual risks. Less younger men dare to go to impersonal sex places and are intimidated by the action they may find in these places. brokencpndomtop, you'll always find older men and it's something you have to live with. You'll appreciate it when you get older yourself. In an era of instant communication I cannot understand when young men complain about older men and want them to disappear. Organize through Facebook, Chats, all sorts of sites with profiles parties where only young guys will attend (what's young? You have to be more specific).

My experience with the Sexual Health Clinic is great. I find that if I show them clearly that I understand the facts about HIV transmission then they won't bug me. But if they think that your behavior is due to ignorance then they will give the lecture. With me they don't bother. I find that they are used to hearing outrageous sexual behaviors. I met my doctor at the Sexual health Clinic many years ago (25+) and I've been his patient ever since. We've both agreed that I better get tested at the clinic. So he doesn't have to know about my sexual behavior and how many men I've had sex with.

Many guys promise to themselves to never bareback again.

I've been barebacking for 15 years and I estimate have taken more than 1,500 loads in darkrooms, saunas, gloryholes and fuck buddies. My last HIV-neg test was March 2013. There are lots of bottoms who are HIV-neg. Considering the window period, saying that I'm HIV-neg is not accurate. I was visiting Chile in January and stayed in a great apartment that I rented from HungLatinDom. It was located right in the middle of the gay village in Santiago: sex 24 hours a day. A more accurate negative HIV status should include the date and sexual history since 3 months prior to the test. My HIV status, after having tested March 8th, should be: "HIV-negative on January 8th, and taken several anonymous loads since."

I experience the same frustration when watching porn. Internal cum shots can be faked so I guess pulling out is one technique some producers use to make it "real". OK. I can accept the "pulling out" for the first squirt, but please, stick it right back in. I find that most who pull out take too long before they continue fucking. It can still be hot for me but I much prefer an internal cum shot. For me what makes it real is to see the cum leaking out of the hole a the top slowly pulls out. Then I know that every moan and grunt were real.

I think that the Internet has provided the ability for men to share fetishes and fantasies. In the pre-Internet/pre-HIV days only the extremely brave and shameless would have the gutts to live their fantasies.

I've never tried poppers because I hate the smell, but I carry them for my partners. I lost so many fucks just because I didn't have the poppers with me. In general I like the effect that poppers have on guys fucking me. That last sniff of poppers just before they unload is really hot. I've heard about how great poppers are for bottoms. But I still wouldn't tak them. I prefer to smoke some dope to relax me and make me hornier.

For some reason screaming bottoms turn me off not only because they remind me of women but also because their noise masks all the sexy noises coming from the top. Although I do moan when I'm getting fucked because I truly enjoy it, rather than screaming I prefer to talk dirty to the guy fucking me. I use my dirty talk to make it clear that I want my hole creamed. For instance I would whisper "Make sure you go deep when you're shooting"

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I started barebacking after I was stealth fucked. When he pulled out after cuming he quickly took the condom so i wouldn't see it. He got dressed and then whispered in my ear: "I left you a surprise" and left. This fuck had felt very different and after that I was hooked. Almost 20 years later I'm still HIV-neg and very happy about it. I test regularly and it's then when I understand those who just wanna poz and never have to worry about an HIV test again. It's difficult for me to predict whether I'll continue being a pig or not.

I think that this Pope was a good choice for the Catholic Church but I doubt anything will convince young people to come back to the Church and start attending masses and following the Catholic way of life. For instance, teenage boys would have to stop masturbating and watching porn and stay away from sites that may promote sexuality in any form. I don't think this will happen. This Pope has been very good at deflecting attention away from the scandals and onto the core of Christianity: worry about the poor and weak. Very clever on his part because it's hard for any Christian to argue with that. But the poor and the weak are also the easiest to take advantage of. So you decide. He wants to worry about the poor but he should also worry about the poor boys who continue to be affected by priests' sexual problems and unresolved issues.

My opinion may not be politically correct, but I would go for different age of consents for boys and girls because boys are hornier at a younger age than girls.

I found this in the Internet that I think may be of interest for guys looking for cheap lubes. *How To Make Your Own Anal Lube At Home* Original post: http://anal-sex-secrets.com/general-anal-sex-info/how-to-make-your-own-anal-lube-at-home/ INGREDIENTS: Vaseline (Note * the Vaseline brand is preferred over generic brands, but there’s not a dramatic difference) Baby oil (Important Note * make sure the baby oil is mineral based, some generic brands are not) CONTAINERS: A Pyrex measuring cup. Pyrex is made to withstand heat (you’re going to heat the mixture), and the measuring graduations are going to come in handy. Containers to put the finished product into, wide mouth and short is best. I prefer cleaned out glass jars with tight sealing lids. PROCEDURE: Place two ounces (approx) of vaseline into the Pyrex measuring cup and heat in the microwave it until it turns to liquid. (Note: In place of using a microwave, you can place the Pyrex cup into a pot of water and boil the water). Add one ounce of baby oil and heat again. You want to heat it until it is liquid enough to stir. The ideal proportions are about 2/3 Vaseline to 1/3 baby oil. Once the mixture cools to room temperature, test with your fingers. Ideally it should be very slick, but still thick enough that it will not run off your fingers. If it’s too runny, just add some Vaseline and heat and remix, and vise versa if it’s too thick. BENEFITS: This homemade lube is practically perfect. When made right it’s just the perfect consistency, extremely slick and doesn’t drip. It’s cheaper than store bought anal lubes. I think it’s much better for your body, since pre-made lubes for the most part are filled with exotic complex chemicals that can’t be healthy for your sensitive body parts. I’ve found it seems it will not wear off, it stays on keeps your anal play slippery for as long as you’d want it to. You can adjust it to make it just the right consistency for your desires. DRAWBACKS: You can’t use it with condoms, it will shred latex condoms anyway.

This is so true because I'm convinced that all men at some point or another in their lives would like to try it. They don't want to be gay but they want sex with.

Instead of staying at a regular hotel, I like staying at Spa Excess in a 24-hr room when I visit Toronto. I bring ear plugs in order to sleep and can go out and back in anytime I want. I'm right in the gay village and go to Steamworks for something different.

Not all poz tops want to infect neg guys. Some do it because it's a big turn on for them. Why is it a turn on for some? I that would have to be explored in another thread. Going back to bug chasing. I cannot relate to something like "Desperate for poz cum". I don't understand why poz cum is hotter than regular cum. That's why I know I'm not a bug chaser. The sense of "freedom" that poz men experience has been mentioned before. But you don't have to be poz to feel free and fulfil fantasies. In my case, still testing negative, I do stuff that many men only do once they are poz: public sling, getting bred in darkroom, etc. The main difficulty I have with the fantasy of bug chasing is that it's only a fantasy because nobody knows how the body will react when the virus comes into the blood stream. I've read some terrible stories of the fuck-flu and with dealing with medication. There's also rashes and other viible signs that require having to tell people that one is HIV+, such as health practisioners, friends, family. If I poz I may feel too weak to have sex and that would defeat the purpose. Because nobody can guarantee what will happen to me if I catch HIV I would prefer to stay HIV-neg. But also because I bareback I have to be realistic and be aware that my HIV status can change any time.

Many times men who don't want to seroconvert, because of the condomless anal sex, paranoia creeps up and any cold or flu is percieved as symptoms of an HIV infection. It's happened to me a couple of times, cold sweats, etc. There are many other viruses apart from HIV, but the body will take core of them.

I was here about a year ago. I prefer other saunas in Montreal but this one has a good very dark room, perfect for anon breedings.