ErosWired

First off, there's a whole thread on here covering guys' opinions on Age of Consent, and I don't mean to light that fire again here, but this news story out of Germany raises the issue. Also, the story doesn't indicate that bareback sex is involved (nor indeed, does it go into any details) but given the personal experience of many members on this forum, I wanted to put this forward. Evidently, authorities raided the home of a suspected child pornographer in Recklinghausen state in western Germany and discovered, in addition to a number of data storage units in the apartment, a 15-year-old boy hidden in a closet. The boy had been listed as missing for 2½ years. The authorities say there was no sign that he was being held against his will. Now: Some of you (fuckers) will say, No harm, no foul - the age of consent in Germany is 14, so the kid could do what he wanted, and if he wasn't being held against his will, he was clearly doing what he wanted. He probably had a yearning for mansex from a young age, and found some men who would teach him and give it to him good, and he didn't want to leave them. What's the problem? Things are as they should be! Except - the boy had been missing for 2½ years, which means he was taken at 13, and perhaps as young as 12. He could not, at the time, have consented. Plus, the man at the center of this is suspected not simply of doing something to this boy, but of producing child pornography, and one must assume that if the allegation proves true, over the course of recent years that boy must have featured in it. Why, then, should this man not be punished to the full extent of the law... or at least hung by his testicles until they rot off? I realize that there are many here whose introduction to sexual activity was very early, and I have read that some of you feel you were negatively affected by it, while others of you feel that you were not, and even appreciate the experience. I did not have any such early experience, except one close call at the public library as an adolescent. But I find this story, and any account of a man interrupting a childhood with adult sexuality, abhorrent. So many of you who share my philosophy toward Tops, and my innate yearning and desire to genuinely submit myself to Men and their cocks, seem to come from such a background, and I do not know why I am the same when I did not have a similar experience. But whenever I read about this kind of transgression and abuse, it makes me furious on your behalf. I also realize that that may seem arrogant and presumptuous on my part, and if so, I apologize. I simply care about all of you as people. God save the motherfucker I ever catch molesting a child; there will be justice done upon him.

Damn. Okay, you’ve made a liar out of me. I have always said that I will never pay for sex, but I would be sorely tempted to pay money if I could get fucked like that. Maybe we need a code of some kind, something bottoms can display on their bodies, that broadcasts “Can actually take a brutal fucking”. Or better yet, a vetted system where a guy has to prove he can take it before he can be registered. But then, we wouldn’t get any video like the stuff in this thread, would we? *sigh* Serving that kind of Top is just so rewarding...

I thought he might have posted something in the regional sections, but I still wanted to steer him toward the richer hunting grounds at BBRTS. Regardless, the site is not at fault if the respondents to his ad all flaked on him. Has he ever been on Grindr? To jump to the main forum with an all-caps rant that casts a blanket insult over the entire membership seems to me a foolproof way to ensure he will never get a hookup here.

This is frustrating to hear. There are those of us eagerly in search of what you offer, and both willing and able to take your use, yet the opportunity to connect and enjoy that unrestrained sexual expression is being sabotaged by fantasists and pretenders. It drives me crazy to get back from hosting a night of gentle Tops and wishing that just one of them had taken me savagely, only to read that some tender-assed bottom pushed away the very fuck that I would have richly rewarded with all the skill in my cunt. And what makes it worse is that I know that when my ads say I’m looking for rough fucking, that kind of Top now likely assumes that it’s just my fantasy and I couldn’t actually handle it. What to do??

I’m not sure exactly what you’re referring to, but if the site you mean is this one, you should understand that Breedingzone is not a hookup site, but a discussion forum. If you’re looking to hook up, you might try your luck at BBRTS . com.

Yes, and in addition to that, they appear to be cracking down heavily on what can be posted in a user profile. If I try to post anything in my profile that even hints that I’m looking to host, I’m slapped with a warning that any such content is confined to their “Parties” feature, but God help you if you try to use that (assuming you can even find it). My experience so far is that it’s more limiting than Doublelist. Anymore, I don’t even bother posting an ad on A4A - I just leave it open, and if someone happens to message my profile I’ll see what happens. But where it used to be a reliable source of hookups, it’s now useless.

I can’t answer why this triggers your personal fetish, but titillation aside, if you believe you’ve been exposed to gonorrhea, it is imperative that you seek evaluation and treatment. Even if infected you may not show initial symptoms, but untreated gono can develop into severe and long-lasting flu-like symptoms, can involve the skin, blood and joints, and in rare cases, be deadly. Strains of treatment-resistant gono are appearing, and if you get one of those you definitely need to know it. And of course, while it may give you a special tickle to have been knowingly “knocked up” with gono, the vast, vast majority of guys do not actually want it, and you have a responsibility to pull yourself out of sexual circulation until you’re clear. It’s a nuisance, but it’s just a part of the game we all play who fuck bare. Do the right thing, man, for yourself, and for everyone you get naked with.

Are you wanting such a site because you fantasize about having such things done to you and want to watch it happening to someone else, or because you’ve experienced it and are looking for more? As someone trained by a sadist Dom (who loved, among other horrid things, needles, and at one time ran a .18 gauge needle all the way through each of my testicles) I can attest that there is a gaping chasm of difference between the one and the other.

It strikes me that you overlook a possible outcome if you were to confront Carl and demand information. You imagine that he might lie to you or ignore you. But this is a man whom you allege deals in drugs and nearly killed his own fiancée and dumped him in an alley - what makes you think that he, or people connected to him, would think twice about taking steps to ensure your silence? Similarly, if you were to personally attempt to jeopardize his status by making claims to his studio, is he a man, in your opinion, likely to ignore that? Feeling helpless to right a wrong or to fight an evil magnifies the pain of dealing with it, and I ache for you. But if you decide to take this on, be very sure you are prepared to become a target yourself. Better to follow the advice of those above and seek professional counsel.

Well, yeah, but in this scenario that was supposed to be me. 😉

So I’m at a hotel hosting, and I get a hit off Doublelist - a guy says he and his partner want to run a train on my ass and could they come at 10:30? This sounds promising - the flakes don’t usually lead with scheduling. He also says that they’d love it if any other guys were there. As time approaches, they email again to make sure we’re still on for 10:30. When 10:30 arrives, they email that they’re pulling in and need the room number. Then, time passes. I had been ass-up and in position, door cracked for them to enter, listening, and I thought I heard activity on the walkway outside, but no one tried the door. At the 10-minute mark I sent another message asking if they were at the right hotel. They said they were, but the door was shut and they couldn’t see a light on, so they left. Since they were still close by, should they come back? By all means, I told them, and gave them the room number for the third time. Ten more minutes. At last, footsteps and muffled voices unmistakably in front of my door. I psych myself up, getting ready for the penetrations about to take place. The door opens slightly and...closes again. There are sounds of uncertain voices distressed about something outside. I hear the door open again, more fully. My naked ass and back are in full view. After a moment, the door is pulled to, but left slightly ajar. More iffy chatter outside, and then I can clearly hear footsteps hustling their way back down the stairwell. In a couple of minutes, I get an email from the guy, which reads: We changed our minds. We chickened out. This is the first time we ever tried this. Now here’s the kicker - they were both over 40 years old. If they had been a pair of young 20-something dumbfucks that kind of behavior wouldn’t have surprised me in the least. But here we have two men of supposedly seasoned years who have made an appointment for sexual service, and then for some reason can’t get through the door but do manage to open it twice to peek at the naked occupant inside before running off and leaving the door hanging open. Please, someone, explain their actions to me in a way that will restore my faith in Men in general. I should add that this even took place on the only night in the last two years of hosting that I have gone unfucked - the only other two men who contacted me for service were no-shows, and though two did actually make it through the door, neither could get it up to penetrate me. (They were both, however, good conversationalists, so the time wasn’t totally wasted.) I responded to the guy who told me it was the first time they had tried this with: Then don’t try it ever again, with anyone. What you just did was inexcusable. What really makes this episode annoying is that the night before, I was bred by a Man who had had me before and who I remembered very well because he gives such a delicious fuck. He really enjoyed my ass and he absolutely deserved to breed me because he was just so damn good. It just seems like Tops of that quality are becoming more and more scarce, and guys like this pair of “chickens” more common.

I think that in this context, “worthless” is given and is understood to take on the connotation of “having none of the traits usually considered admirable in a powerful, competitive, masculine male among his peers”. The statement is a comparative one: the cumdump is being reminded that he occupies the lowest place in the male social order, therefore his relative “worth” as a member of that order, all other things being equal, is as low as it can get. This is not to be confused, however, with his value as a utility and a convenience. The cumdump may have (ironically) considerable worth because his indignity allows other Men to feel themselves superior. Personally, I don’t pay much attention to being called things like a “worthless whore”, especially by a guy with his cock buried up to the balls in my cunt.

This! ^ Very well stated, and I often find myself frustrated trying to explain, from a trained submissive’s perspective, that just being a bottom doesn’t make a guy a submissive. A “greedy bottom” is not a submissive. I do, however, quibble with your suggestion that “Cumdumps are not subs”. Most cumdumps may not be subs, but a sub can be a cumdump. I am, because that is my form of submissive service. I don’t count success in loads gathered, but in Tops satisfied. My sexual role in life is to provide Men with sexual fulfillment by submitting to their appetite, lust, and desire to dominate. That submission is a joy to me, and feels right and natural. The fact that I may repeat it a dozen times in a night at the baths and end up with a cunt dripping with the cum of strangers makes it no less a submission to any of them. I don’t want any Top to think about what’s in my mind beyond my desire to submit to him. I am to be his fantasy made flesh, and if he does not use me that way, I cannot serve him best.

In my perspective and experience, there is a distinction between fucking a man and breeding a man. Fucking may result in a load being deposited inside, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the Top had ‘bred’ the bottom; it’s a question of intent. I believe ‘breeding’ in its truest sense between two men is still an instinctual response to the primal binary nature of human sexual reproduction, and the implicit dominance and submission of the roles. In breeding, versus simple fucking, the Top has made a decision that he wishes to approach this particular bottom not just as a casual partner of opportunity, but rather as a target for the special focus of the Top’s investment of his deeper sexuality. For this act, the Top will reach deep into himself to draw upon instinctive abilities to soothe, constrain, reassure, dominate, encourage and overpower the bottom, while at the same time indulging himself in extremities of physical pleasure he does not always risk because they come only at the cost of his own vulnerability. Only when he is confident that he has got the bottom in the proper state to receive him will he allow himself to surrender to his own unguarded sexual demand and do as his animal nature cries out for him to do - to hunch his hindquarters behind the steaming orifice of the bitch before him, penetrate the slick flesh with his engorged and aching penis, and rut through waves of ecstatic pleasure until his mind and body shout in unison their decision that this, this hot wet place, is where everything inside his balls, everything that makes him the Man he is and that he would pass on to his offspring, this one hot, wet place is where it all belongs. And he fills that place with the essence of himself, in an intensely fulfilling act. I describe this from a Top perspective because I believe the choice to breed or not is one a Top makes. A bottom may be fucked or bred, but the Top decides which he will actually do. As a bottom, I can tell immediately whether I’m being fucked or bred, without a word being said, sometimes from the very first touch of the Top’s hand on my body. Given a choice, I would accept a Top taking me as his breeding bitch over his being fucking toy every single time.

A flakiness of grindrs, maybe...

I’m not sure I agree about the bottoms; not all bottoms are greedy bottoms. We do, however, have a drive in common, as you point out, whether it be to serve or to simply get loads. It speaks to a kind of emptiness that needs filling, so I would propose another of your words: A “hunger” of bottoms. This still doesn’t necessarily capture the raw sexuality of the bottoms’ impulse to be bred, though, so perhaps a “heat” of bottoms?

If she’s all “Hate the sin. Love the sinner” then she must absolutely adore you...

Why? The American populace, in all its burger’n’fries-HoneyBooBoo-NFL-and-Kim-Kardashian-lovin’ glory elected them, and if we deported them we’d just turn right around and elect another bunch just like them. There’s no point railing on about the government - Every nation gets the government that it deserves. - Joseph de Maistre, 1811

I said precisely that - reread the second paragraph of my last post. The rest of your screed is a combination of your own anger mashed up with your assumptions about me, who you you do not know but nonetheless feel free to tell how I “should” think and feel. I understand that you have strong views on this matter, and I will not attempt to discourage them; I do, however, stand by my comments. I will only add that no amount of name-calling is going to earn my respect.

Setting aside the more personal thrusts of your rant, I wasn’t addressing the spirit of your original post - a matter subject to interpretation - but rather its plain language. No, none of the big pharma companies are charities. None of them are 501(c) nonprofits of any stripe, and the fact that they consume charity and taxpayer dollars for their R&D and still charge such sums ought to outrage every thinking citizen. And it underscores my point that someone, somewhere, is going to pay, because it means they’re making taxpayers pay through the nose for what they already paid to make. As to the rest of your reply, I absolutely do sit here and contemplate the cost to governments and individual taxpayers, because every time I walk out of that drugstore with my bag of thousands of dollars worth of “free” medicine, I am acutely aware that I’m critically dependent on the financial sacrifice of other people. I can’t carry my own weight, can no longer be responsible for my own problem without relying on this social network. And I’m trouble by it - even though as a taxpayer I also contribute to the social support, I feel that I benefit more than my share. Whose side am I on? What a strange question. Not everything is partisan. I am against the Enemy Virus.

Oh my God, it’s like watching myself when I’m hosting. You have to wonder what he wrote on the guy’s ass...

I try not to make noise about it all over the boards, and I don’t even look at the Giver/Chaser section because it makes me insane, but if someone posts something here in the HIV Risk/Risk Reduction section, I call it like I see it. I figure I survived AIDS for a reason, and part of that is to talk about it.

No. It isn’t free. It’s not free in your country, it’s not free in the United States, it’s not free in Africa, it’s not free anywhere in the world. You may walk out of the pharmacy with your meds without having to open your wallet, but someone is going to pay. Pharmaceutical manufacturers are not charities - they’re profit-making enterprises beholden to their shareholders, and they trade in human suffering. Why do they charge such astronomical sums for life-saving HIV medications? Because they can - and those afflicted have no choice but to pay, or die. But the insurance industry would rather pay for medicine than hospital stays (if they have to pay at all), so they agree to eat some of that. But where does that money come from? Everybody else with a policy. Then there are government programs (less so in America, more so in the enlightened world), but where does the money for that come from? Taxpayers. But what, you say, about the big charities like the Gates Foundation, giving away meds at their expense? Whose expense? Bill Gates didn’t print his own money. That money came from the millions of customers of Microsoft. Gates is just redistributing it. So basically, your and my “free” HIV pill (I don’t pay anything at the drugstore either, thank God, or mine would bankrupt me within a year) is subsidized by the rest of the population around us, whether they think about it or not, whether they like it or not. Nothing is ever free. Someone always pays.

The OP started this thread a month and a half ago, and so has probably already either done or not done what he was asking about doing. As this was posted on the HIV Risk Reduction board, however, and not the chaser/gifter/lunatic section, I’m going to weigh in anyway. So the guy is not on meds and knows his viral load and he’s still fucking guys bare? HIV risk reduction tactic 1: Don’t let the son of a bitch fuck you. He clearly cares nothing for your life or well-being. Or his own, for that matter, because a viral load at that level suggests that because he is allowing the virus free rein to multiply and assault his immune system, it is on its way to becoming a HVL in due course. After that, if he doesn’t start ART pretty quickly, his CT4 count will go through the floor, he’ll catch pneumonia or meningitis or one of the other opportunistic diseases, and then he’ll die. Don’t let anyone tell you that HIV isn’t a deadly disease anymore. It will kill you just as surely, and in just the same way, as it’s been killing people since it started. If you’re one of these fools with a death wish who decides you’re not going to take meds - yeah, it’s still a death sentence. I know, because it almost killed me. It’s a fluke of biology that I survived, and it’s been a hard road coming back from the edge, and I’m still probably going to die ten years earlier than I would have. So, back to the original question - what are your chances of getting infected if you let this guy fuck you? The answer is that whether 34,000 is a high or low viral load is beside the point. If you don’t want to catch HIV (you don’t, even if you think you do) find somebody else. Somebody on PrEP. And if you’re going to fuck bare, get on it yourself.

You’re right, I can hardly believe that strange men would be so forward with you in public, or even in a gym - that’s definitely ignoring your personal space. I could imagine it in a bathhouse, or even in a bar, perhaps, but not a complete unknown in a general public space. Is it possible that you are subconsciously broadcasting/radiating a submissive vibe that men are picking up on and misconstruing as license? Or is it possible that there is an undercurrent of discussion about you locally that gives men a particular impression of your approachability? Neither of those, or anything else, need be a factor, but the behavior is sufficiently outside the norm that it makes one wonder what prompted it. It might well be that certain men simply find you irresistible. I have never personally had that sort of effect on anyone (I fear I tend to repulse rather than attract) but I imagine it could certainly become inconvenient...