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# 198 meaning the 16th President? Or maybe the automobile that Henry Leland named after him? I notice Antoine de la Mothe C - crownjewelofGM isn't among the entries .... I've never even head most of them before - how could you manage to stifle your LOL ???

EW: "Would each group flourish, enabled to grow through purity of purpose? Or would the groups falter, each needing something that the other provides?" Most likely they would, since the fantasists depend on the doers-of-the-deeds to fuel their imaginations. It's regrettable, but it's understandable that some guys just don't hav the balls to do what they know they need to do. Thus, one of my earlier posts regarding Behavior. The fantasies are fine, but nothing counts until on actually adjusts one's behavior and gets out there. EW: "The result is that the second group gets its satisfaction at the expense of the first." Not necessarily. As you point out, the fantasies (or realizations) do begin at some point in each of our lives, and some are honest enough to not only hear the Call, but follow their hearts and minds and go do it. I don't see how other men's fantasies take place at the expense of those who do act upon discovering/realizing their truth. There is one obvious exception though - and that is when the dreamers actually reach out to the doers, make a phony plan to meet, with no intention of follow-through. Those dishonest guys are, in my book, cowards - able only to fantasize about who and what they are, but ill-equipped to actually do it. Their orgasms are hollow indeed, as they sit in their rooms pretending to be what they fear. I very much doubt that any man dismisses you as one of these phonies. If there are one or two, they denigrate themselves to the Community they are trying to affect. There is not one whiff of insincerity in your posts. EW: "I’m actually going to try to publish an explicit written account of my experiences, but I’ll have no choice but to change the names of people and places to protect the... well, to protect the complicit. And that will do nothing but give it more of the flavor of fantasy". I realize that this post was written almost 3 years ago, long before I found this site. If you already have published this work, I would love to purchase several copies, one for myself, and the rest as gifts to certain men I know who wrestle with the above-referenced dilemma. In the event you have yet to publish, I would offer that it is entirely unreasonable and impossible to contact so many men, most of which you may not even know their names. Of course you must alter any actual names or contact information without specific permission in advance. EW: "It makes me want to climb onto the roof of the bathhouse and shout to all the world - “I HAVE BEEN FUCKED BY MORE MEN IN MORE WAYS IN MORE PLACES THAN YOU COULD POSSIBLY BELIEVE AND I WANT TO DO EVERY BIT OF IT AGAIN TOMORROW AFTER A GANGBANG TONIGHT - I LOVE COCK AND CUM AND I GIVE SWEET, SWEET ASS, I’M A SLUTTY CUMDUMP SLUT AND I’M NOT ASHAMED OF IT ONE FUCKING BIT!” I've written it all before ... you already know what I think about the above. Are there any more posts regarding reporting from Cloud Cuckoo Land? I haven't yet found all your previous posts ... It really is all about servicing Cock/Hole/Sperm

I don't get that part either .......... it's mentioned twice in a very brief posting ........... none of it makes sense ............

This is an interesting post, with more than one answer possible: I'm about 80%T, leaving 20 up to other Cocks. Years ago, when I had become well-versed in backroom action (but only just ...) the only thing I thought of was Ahhhh ... that was a good fuck (or occasionally not). At that point I was utterly selfish in my outlook, and hadn't learned anything at all about the "connection" we can access when we use our Cocks for more than just pumping Sperm. To be completely honest, I didn't think about the other guy much at all. Dumb & Stupid, and worst of all, Selfish. Not that I intended to be self-centered, but I realized later that it was completely true. For a few years, I never (intentionally) fucked the same Hole twice, since - as I saw it then - I already know what x Hole feels like, and there are so many more I still need to experience. Those were the years that I really built up the count, as referred to in another post. At the time, I had only taken one Cock up my gut, that being my life-partner's, and it was painful - to the point he never was able to cum in my ass, and didn't want to harm me. Those were the years that I really built up the count, as referred to in another post. There was, a few years later, somewhat of an epiphany that took place, in the fuckroom of the Gold Coast - cum Eagle (frankly, I don't recall whether it was before the demise of the GC or after - the same bar just changed names). I've described said epiphany elsewhere on BZ, and won't go into it all over again, but the crux is, I suddenly realized - in mid-fuck in the backroom - that I'd been shutting out at least half of the Breeding Thrill due to myopic lack of an open mind / heart. Once it entered my thick head that these were men - human beings I was fucking, with hopes, aspirations, dreams of whatever, living their lives - it was like an earthquake. It was then that I started really doing some intellectual work on what I had failed to even consider. It took no small amount of time to adjust my selfish mind, and get rid of that "My Cock is what Counts" mindset. I consider it a gift from the Universe. I have learned that some Holes need a hot hard hammerfuck and a goodbye. Some Holes need a Caring, Loving, Intimate, Sharing Mating with my Cock. They are men, human beings worthy of everything I can possibly deliver, and I particularly love delivering it to Whore-Holes. That said, the venue of the action does impact the issue. At my favorite fuckjoint, I seldom even see their face, and do my thing accordingly. But I take my cues from the Hole as well, if there are any offered. Of course, it's much easier to "share" - "mate with" (as opposed to just rutting) when that experience takes place here, in my home, where I am in control. The real answer to the question is, I do care about the Hole. I want to give him what he needs, as well as take from him what I need. "Connection" makes any fuck special, particularly with men who have dedicated their lives, well-being to relieving any/all Cocks that require it. I call it "mating", because in my mind, that term elevates Breeding to a higher level than mere rutting/Breeding in an anonymous Hole. While I'm the last guy to foreswear the latter, I love the former even more. Never-the-less, it's all about Cock/Hole/Sperm

YES YES YES YES The only thing that might prevent it would be the (always observed) "sniff-test". If there's any hint, I won't. I've been through the giardia (as well as a few others) thing too many times to purposefully dare it. It can still happen, of course, but I weigh the risk/reward, and since eating out a hot, hairy, Sperm-filled Hole is probably my First-among-Favorites, Hell, Yeah !!!

So I'm gradually working my way through posts from ErosWired, an excellent wordsmith, and just ran across this one. There are many worthy points, but perhaps I could offer some insight on a couple others. A sling is a blunt, overtly aggressive instrument of sexual pleasure for most Tops. I happen to have three: One in the playroom, one outside in the back yard (supports built of 4x4x12 lumber), and one portable, of steel-tubing framing. It is true that usually, indoor (i.e. for the playroom) are installed into the framing of the house via 4 heavy eyebolts screwed through the ceiling into the rafters. The sling is then hung from these via fairly heavy chain, length dependent on the height of the ceiling. Attached to each of these suspension chains, as spring-clips to offer support to the legs and/or arms via leather loops, which are easily adjustable depending on the Hole's physiological needs. The sling is of heavy leather, sometimes with attachments such as a leather pillow. The portable sling stand is easily put together, as the steel tubing is narrowed at one end, so it slides easily into another piece of tubing, fitting securely. There is a heavy X-member each of the tubes fit into on the floor, with the lower horizontal sections fitting together, each meeting at one of the corners. From there, heavy steel tubing uprights fit together in a similar fashion to a height of between 6 and 7 feet high, where in the overhead steel tubing fits together forming a mirror of the construct on the floor. Thus, you wind up with a structure that - when occupied, weight is distributed evenly, and g-force is exerted inward, keeping the whole structure very stable and steady. The same fittings as described above may be used. Now. In a fuckjoint, a sling is an "invitation-direct" to serious group-Breeding. By contrast, in a private setting the sling is generally by invitation only, since it is so clearly an instrument of Domination. But it is only a tool to effectuate the inclinations of the men in attendance. The instinct to whore one's Hole, along with the instinct to Breed whore-hole, is up to the men involved. Put another way, a sling is merely a device to encourage wanton Breeding, and that can only reside in the minds of the men that happen to be in the area. Thus, if a man who is not well-versed in being used in a sling, he may wind up feeling something other than consumed with CockLust. I too have seen men who have little more then their own imaginings lying in a sling at orgies/fuckjoints wondering why there are no Cocks rutting in his Hole. It's because his mind is busy with extraneous stuff, and he doesn't know better. There is absolutely no connection to distasteful furniture located in an obgyn's office. A sling is as far removed from anything remotely related to female genetalia as anything could be. In a private setting, there is almost always a ribbed, rubber (i.e. easily washed) floormat under the "business end" of the sling to collect any CockDrool, lube, Sperm that managed to make a run for it. In a fuckjoint, that is seldom found however I'm assuming that proper accessories are not included in the "business model". Neither is proper arranging of the leather ankle-loops, or other accoutrements. There was a "Leather"bar out on Oakland Park Blvd some years ago that had the most outrageously ill-equipped, poorly installed "sling" I'd ever seen, and I told the bartender so after correcting the problems as best I could; that business failed in short order because it was trying to be what it was not. Our esteemed author is 100% correct in describing a sling as an instrument of Sexual Power, to be exerted upon the willing Hole, and within all the normal, necessary "limits". One thing I have never used, however, or even seen that I can recall, is a mask. That would obviate the Hole's use of the mirrors, and most love to watch the Cock rutting in their Holes. If not, then they merely close their eyes. A number of the respondents report the Top fiddling with the Hole's Cock, which I find odd. From the Top's perspective, I suppose it would be visually gratifying if the Hole's Cock were hard, but it's hardly material to the issue at hand. The Top is there to fuck the Hole, which is what counts. I have certainly enjoyed the tactile sensation of running my fingers over the body of the man I'm rutting in, but I have never pinched nipples, slapped or punched anyone, and on behalf of the Tops who have, I offer my deepest apologies to you bottoms have experienced that. I would say that it's inexperienced men who have not bothered to learn their craft more than anything else. To my mind, it is inconceivable that a Top would try to suck off a bottom lying in a sling !! It's oil vs water. A slingfuck is all about the Power Exchange, and nothing else. Or, more clearly, a Cock needing to use a Hole, period. My Cock, My Sperm, your Hole. Quote "" I explained to him that the sling was meant for fucking and not for any sort of BDSM activity, which would have required some negotiation up front in any case."" Completely obvious, or should have been to the man. Good on you for telling him so. In closing: 1. Understand that in public fuckjoints, any guy might imagine that he knows how to use a sling. When one of them tries to, with you in it, and proves himself inept, then TELL HIM. Tell him to learn his craft before he assumes he knows everything, and deflate his bubble (one of you won't do that, I know ...). Ignorance doesn't deserve to be tolerated, just because it's coming from a Top. After all, it takes the respect of (at least) two men to mate, and that act is to be held in high esteem. 2. If I knew how, I would gladly send photos of a properly arranged sling, so each of you will know at a glance if the Top is aware of the issue. But, I don't know how to do that. 3. Never give up on whoring in a sling. When it's "right", it can be a mind-blowing experience !!! 4. I'm looking forward to finding the post including the Latin descriptions with a big, fat smile ... It's all about Cock/Hole/Sperm ... and "connection"

Well, damn and double damn it ... all this covid mess, not going places, the up-rooted sense ... It was my damn Cock looking at the calendar, not my damn eyeballs ... Mr. Cock only has one eye, and it's been oozing CockDrool more than usual, so maybe that's his excuse. And no, I'm not buying him glasses !!! I don't care - I'm going anyway*. Soooo !!! Since I usually limit myself to Friday and Saturday nights, does this mean I simply have to go again tomorrow night and Saturday night TOO ??? And, you're right, ErosWired, in that Thursdays can be good too. When I was first contemplating moving to Ft.L., I flew down on a Wed, spent all of Thursday looking a God Alone knows how many places. I'd sniffed around in advance, and thought that Slammer might be my kind of place, and went that Thursday night. It's not quite what Fri and Sat nights are, but it was great. Next day, flew back home and slept on the plane until it started descending to land. Oh - the next day I called the realtor (he gave me one-sheets re: all the properties), and said "I'll take that one" - and that was that. *having already started "the process", despite the fact that I seldom actually take a Cock up my gut, if one seems particularly perversely pointed at my Hole, I cannot be un-prepared. That said, I really detest the prepping part. It's all about Cock/Hole/Sperm

Update: So I was talking the other day to one of my favorite Partners-in-Breeding back in Chgo. Having left Chgo 11 years ago, I asked about the Congress, and he said it's been completely re-done, and it's very nice now.

There must be something in the sill .... jag ar fod i Skarbocka, min far var en Skoning, so maybe that's part of it. Or, maybe it's Jul Tompt coming for us. At this point, I'd fuck even HIM ... in any case, we must have some common ancestors - seems we're cut from the same spermy cloth. Have a GREAT time of it, tomorrow, then. 😛 Cheers !!!

Closest I can come is the Art Hotel in Fuggerstrasse in Berlin. The Prinz Eugen (if I recall correctly?) is on the first floor.

well you PIGGY !!! And, you understand the "greater connection" too ... well done !! Last time I was in your city, I got thrown out of the Atlanta Eagle for taking a blow job standing at the bar. I was in town for a trade show, but brought enough gear with me to at least have one night out on the town, so it wasn't for lack of hides. Back in Chgo, guys took blow jobs standing at the bar all the time - how was I to know ??? At least the bartender had the manners to let me Breed that throat before he threw me out ... <<<filthy grin>>>

Hey, Alchemist You can't help your thoughts - only your actions. I have recommended caution, and I continue to recommend caution. That said, it's interesting that he clearly wants to be at least friends with you. I see no potential harm in compliance with going out for supper, watching a movie at his suggestion, whatever. Maybe even suggesting some event you and he would both like to attend (no, not an orgy ...lol). But, I still think you'll be safest by letting him take the lead. It's the weekend (finally) ... go to some joint (without him, obviously) and blow off some steam with men you know will appreciate it. Your balls are probably packed full by now, and they'll thank you for it. Per the "0 messages for 24 hours" thing: I only joined this site a couple of months ago, and found that message most frustrating. We're supposed to make comments, start threads, etc etc, but are then prevented from doing so. There are these "badges", which we apparently "earn" by creating posts, replying to posts, maybe clicking on the little heart and choosing a reaction. All I can say is, at some point it will get less intrusive, and you'll wind up in the BZ clink fewer and fewer times. It's all about Cock/Hole/Sperm

Thanks, AtlFukBud ... Yeah, it's Friday again, finally !!! It seems that knowing I'm going over to my favorite fuckjoint tonight just makes the day drag on longer. Went downtown and paid the annual property taxes this morning, and even that didn't cool things off. I absolutely love cumdumps, full of Sperm off previous Cocks, and love rutting in as many available Holes in the darkroom as I can. Entering a very dark room full of Lust-driven men, eating Spermholes full of loads, rutting in them, Breeding in them, sucking Sperm off Cocks, is a huge thrill, in that I get to (by association) "connect" with exponentially more of my Brothers than are even in the darkroom in the first place. As it happens, I've had a very stimulating week of it (sexually), without actually having any sex. Soooo - - - I'm just about burning up. And it's only early afternoon, dammittall ... <<<filthy grin>>> It's all about Cock/Hole/Sperm

NO. You should never feel guilty about who you are, what your (fantasies?) are. Guilt is surely one of the most destructive characteristics we can hold onto. You definitely should tread very carefully (in terms of real life, I mean), but you simply may not learn to feel guilty about it. Now. Obviously this guy likes you on at least some level. I think you should follow his lead - let him make a "first move", if there's to be one. If it's you that makes a faux pas, then it's you that will have to carry that unfortunate event. I am ill-equipped regarding the so-called "gaydar" thing ... I must have been porking something in the john when they handed out the gaydar. If you possess any, use it carefully. I'd let him do the advancing, and be happy if it comes. Be happy you at least have his friendship for now. Friendship is great, even if you wish it were more. Given that you found BZ, you already know a little something about fb's as opposed to friends. Good Luck !!!

Hey there, ghfan4life Above, you will find two replies to your question. One is of great value, from an experienced, dedicated, "whole" man. Read it carefully, since it offers true, honest and genuine guidance regarding your question. Of course, you are entitled to make your own decision, and good on you for asking questions. Best -

Actually, I think that scent goes by another moniker too .... it's also called "poppers" ... <<<filthy grinnnn>

and I 4th this - or is it 5th? 6th? ... It can be tough to overcome the "conditioning" we've been immersed in our entire lives, but the only real choice is are we going to follow what we know we must to to be whole men, or are we going to succumb to cultural pressures. One choice offers self-fulfillment, the satisfaction that we've considered all aspects, and "made it" to accepting our own truth. The other is a slippery slope to a wasted life, in that we're avoiding our personal truth. There will be consequences - there always are. It's a fascinating realization for those who recognize it - so consider the whole ball of wax carefully - since (per prior comments), once you taste the forbidden fruit, you'll only crave more and more. Good luck !!! It's all about Cock/Hole/Sperm

So, rapeday ... First, congratulations on making your decision. Too many men waste years sitting on the fence. Resolve, one way or the other, is a good thing. There are a number of men who have given you very good advice. Follow their advise. I would add one more: if you haven't already, get a gay internist, or at least one who supports the idea of being the man you were born to be. I have a gay internist (I've seen him at the tubs taking loads, and I very seldom hit the tubs, and no I haven't). Obviously, he understands my own needs, and is completely supportive. I see him monthly for tests, and when I do catch something it's treated right away. I've come down with a number of std's through the years, and so will you. It's just part of "the life", but for some of us, it's well worth the bother to be sexually Free. A dedicated cumdump is always attractive for men like me, and occasionally a real thrill. Life is great - I hope you enjoy yours fully !!! It's all about Cock/Hole/Sperm

Every one of these replies is great. All the potential risks, all the potential gains. I too would urge substantial caution, but ... maybe this would be helpful. You said he came over to your place to watch a movie. That has set a precedent for him coming over to your place again sometime, for whatever reason. The joint photo posted online somewhere must mean something, but I have no idea what. Figure out some obliquely "gay" item*, and leave it not in the middle of a clutter-free coffee table. That would be far to blunt. Leave it somewhere, among other stuff, but where a carefully inspecting eye might notice it. It could be a book among other books, it could be something with the "rainbow" on it amongst other stuff, perhaps partially covered up. Be oblique about it. Then, if he sees it and says anything, asks if you're gay, you can shrug it off and say something like "yeah, did you want cream or sugar in your coffee?", and in your most "offhand" way. If you think he noticed the item, but didn't say anything, for heavens sake, don't sit close to him right away. Assume he's not threatened, and let him bring it up in conversation. Good Luck !!! *Not porn.

Your point is well taken, hungry hole. Thanks for the post. Frankly, everyone (not just we Breeders - everyone) is thoroughly conditioned by Madison Ave to a) do everything we can to emulate conventional notions of "beauty", and b) therefore dis-associate from what M.A. tells us to believe it not "beautiful". Every time we watch tv we see endless ads for cremes, pills, diet contrivances, muscle-building "fitness" machines, even such distasteful commercials dealing with cleaning the female genitalia !!! Thus, we are immersed in conditioning as to what is "beautiful", "attractive" is also yourhful. What we are not conditioned to accept, is that there is more to people then merely whether they're outwardly "attractive". Everyone ages, and thus falls out of the attention of Madison Ave. Obviously though, they peddle the illusion to everyone in the effort to peddle more junk. Sure - a young man in the bloom of early adulthood is a pleasure to Breed, but that pleasure is only skin-deep. If one gets more acquainted with that young man, he could turn out to possess a beautiful soul too - or, a shallow one. Thus, men of a certain seasoning (read older) may learn to develop a sense of deeper worth, deeper value in a bottom who is experienced at his craft. More devoted, more sincere, more committed to servicing BreedCock than a younger guy. You're correct in believing that most Tops are just interested in rutting in a pretty Hole. There are some of us though, that would much prefer to Breed in a Hole that recognizes and accepts his Calling, and services Cock with that mental, emotional, sometimes even spiritual commitment. As a Top, and in the context of a bar, backroom, cruise joint - I don't really get impressed with a Hole until I observe the above-mentioned attributes, which I find far more Cock-hardening than just a pretty face/body/Hole. I accept that my perspective may not agree with most Tops, but over the years I've learned that commitment to servicing Cock is far sexier than just being younger. Given that it's not that easy to find, I seldom fuck 1-1, preferring to hit the darkrooms and wade into the melee of Cocks Breeding Holes just for the pure thrill of it. I never expect to find any kind of real "value" in that context, but it damn sure gets my blood boiling. Point: maybe you could broaden your horizons a bit - find a more varied set of locations where you can offer your qualities. Why go back to where the prettyboys are busy soaking up all the Sperm? Find a cruise bar - make acquaintances - become something of a regular. I'd guess that you'll be a bit busier. Best wishes ...

I'm not an atty, but one of my neighbors is, and I just borrowed his lawyers hat. There is an unstated quotient to this post, which only addresses behavior. Slutty behavior, in and of itself, is great, it's thrilling, and compelling. But there's an unstated facet here: "How, then, do we calculate the value of a cumdump slut?" We calculate the dedication to his calling the subject slut displays. We consider what qualities, other than slutting, the man possesses. Gold is valuable, and so are those eggs. Slutting - offering up one's Hole to any and all who need/desire it can be a self-centered act, as well as (and surely more rarely) an "other-centered" act. In my experience, most sluts are more self-centered than "other-centered". Of course, the satisfaction of servicing a Cock until it Breeds is something all cumsluts enjoy, but I would hazard that most don't engage in slutting in an altruistic mindset. "This is a bottom of remarkable promiscuity, with little or no discretion over whose cock he will take into his warm and waiting hole, who goes out of his way to frequent locales where he can be readily identified and used by any who pass by, and who actively and lewdly advertises himself as a mere vulgar sexual receptacle" Yes, that is exciting to a lot of Cocks, the owners of which may or may not give a rat's ass why the Sperm Receptacle does what he does. When I'm in a darkroom, I surely don't, but then I don't know anything about the guy either. That said, when I do know something about the guy*, and it's an "other-centered" service (and not merely self-centered), slutting becomes honorable, deserving of respect. In the economic context, it makes him valuable. Sometimes of great value. " draws certain types of Dominant males like moths to a flame". Guilty - joyfully, happily, shamelessly Guilty ... the sluttier the better. "For some, the value diminishes" because they are basically self-centered, and may have not given any thought to the aspirations the slut is living up to (or would that be down?). In any case, the basic act can be happily accomplished, but not the "mating with one's brother-in-Lust". "Therefore I have to conclude that some value is placed on ass based on how readily available it is". Correct, in most cases. Incorrect however, when the entirety of the slut's behavior is known. In most cases, that opportunity isn't the goal, only getting off in a wet Hole is. But it's missing the "connection" entirely, which is regrettable. Some Tops are completely unaware there even is a connection possible with a man who sluts his Hole. They're missing out on how much depth there can be in Breeding a slutty Hole. "I’ve had so many Tops hold off coming to fuck me until I have another load already in me." These Tops are getting closer to real appreciation for men like you. Thus, they will part with more gold or whatever to rut in your Sperm-filled Hole with some modicum of respect for who and what you are. " Yet so often I see such guys spoken of in scorn by Tops expressing how little they’re interested in fucking them." It's not the buff body, it's not the posing, it's the self-centeredness on display. Whether the subject knows it or not, he's virtually hollering "you're not hot enough to fuck me" by his behavior. Who wants to give our Cock to that kind of hauteur? Maybe it's the Holes perceived insecurity, maybe it's this, maybe it's that - but one thing it is definitely not is "other-focused". Yes, men who slut their Holes are sexually magnetic to most Tops - it's like "ohhh ... look at that guy taking loads ... I want to get a piece of that too". For the discerning, it's absolute magic !!! I rest my case, return the lawyers cap, and restate: your "other-centeredness" is what makes you special. It's all about Cock/Hole/Sperm *for instance, when a fb is whoring out his boy

Maybe I've become a bit jaded, having lived in large cities all my life. Maybe I've lost whatever sense of purity I ever had. All I can say in reply is, your sense of caring for others is truly enormous. You have my utmost respect.

Well, you're right, DarkroomTaker ... we did kinda get off on a tangent. Apologies !!

Welllll ... I guess I'm a bit weird ... I don't like being on my knees at all. If I suck a Cock off, my #1 choice would be with my Cock rutting in a bent-over Hole, the Cock standing over the Hole I'm fucking, with his Cock pointed straight at my mouth, oozing Cockdrool, and really in need of attention. It's the compounding of the depth of wanton behavior that would be appealing, using my Cock and my mouth at the same time. If there were a #2, it would be standing, with the Cock elevated (i.e. an elevated gh construct) whereby I could focus only on the Cock. Don't kick me outta here .... I can't help that I'm a little bit weird about this one !!! Never-the-less, it's all about Cock/Hole/Sperm

For you, then, it's entirely good and useful and honest to wear it. Circumstances are different for every guy, and how we choose to meet those circumstances is no one's business but their own. If I were at the tubs, and I noticed a man wearing that kind collar, I'd merely hang the towel on my hard Cock, get in line, and wait my turn to celebrate the mating ritual with that man, hoping that I'd be the umpteenth guy to do so. At the tubs, I wouldn't be expecting any "traditional" Leather scene, other than maybe the Dom whoring out his Breedboy, which would preclude the wearing of any hides. I don't wear traditional gear when I hit the fuckjoints. Actually, the tubs can be an ideal place for a Dom to teach his boy to focus solely on servicing The Cock, since there is so little else for the boy to see in the first place. One of my buddies back north did that to help his boy "get over" certain hang-ups, and it was an effective training tool. I'm guessing that your collar is, mentally, always on your neck, in the sense that your mind is always focused on fulfilling your goal, your destiny. The physical collar is to announce to the world that you've worked hard to become the man you were born to be, that you're clear and confident about that, Discerning men - men of experience - men who really know themselves, are often to recognize a man of your capacities with or without the balls-stirring optical statement. Countering the fundamental emotional joy of Breeding/Mating with as many of our Brothers-in-this-Life as we possibly can, is the unfortunate restriction of judging a man by his (or worse, our own) physical appearance. One of the physical characteristics I tend to avoid is obesity, mostly since I'm not swinging a "porn-Cock". I'm certainly not ashamed of it, and being physically slender, it presents ok, but if I can't get into the actual Hole for all the flesh surrounding it, I tend to steer clear. So, we all have choices to make, and for our own reasons. As long as it's honest, not harmful to anyone, helps one focus on what's really important, I'm all for it. One last point: Among your many talents, I rather doubt that "invisibility" is one of them, and certainly not to a man with a horny eye. It's all about Cock/Hole/Sperm