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Because is isn't a "requirement". It's an act that, by it's very nature, required prior agreement. When a T and a b get together and Breed, there are all kinds of "side-issues" that might - or might not be interesting to both guys, and piss is one of them. The only thing that's certain (until other, side-issues are mentioned) is one guy is going to fuck the other guy. Anything else needs to be mentioned prior to the sex occurring. Any T that thinks he can simply "use" a bottom any way that comes into his head may be a Top, but he's not much of a man. Any b that thinks it's appropriate to perform acts that he find's disturbing, off-putting, unpalatable, or whatever else, is giving away his agency. It doesn't require a long blab - a couple of phrases is enough to share with the prospective partner what might not be well-received. In other words, each guy has "agency", and in equal amounts. The mind-fuck can begin after the terms are agreed to. For that matter, there aren't all that many Tops around that get off on degrading other guys. To the bottoms: if you enjoy being degraded, etc, then by all means say so to your Top. If you don't enjoy that, then for chrissake, say so. There's not one thing wrong with fulfilling your desires, once you share them with the Top.

Some of us do, for instance Covenant House here in Ft.L. is where I get almost all my yard workers. They're mostly kids that "proper" society has discarded, lived on the streets until C.H. came to the rescue. I pay C.H. directly, so I don't know how much the kids actually get, but according to my research, they get almost all, if not completely all the dough. There's often a language barrier (I don't speak Spanish), so communication isn't the best, but they're hardly dull. I show them what to do once, and that's it. The kids are glad for something to do to pick up some pocket money, they're hard working, they seem to like the lunch I give them, and it's a win-win for everyone.

eeeeeuuuuuuwwwwww !!!!!!!!!!! 🤮 The mind boggles ........... the mental imagery is breathtaking, and not in a good way ........... 'scuse me .... I better get to the john right now !!!

Would that be fucking washed-up porn performers with hideously gigantic tits? Cheating on partners/wives? I wonder if he could even get his dicklet past that gargantuan belly anymore .....

I don't think I'm all that suspicious of guys at home .... I don't think I've ever been ripped off, either. I have a ton of gear though, so maybe, and I just don't know it yet ....

Welllllll, gotta admit ... he's good at one thing anyway ..... that being fooling people into believing his lies, fantasies, little-dick-syndrome braggadocio, all the rest of the bs.

Flattery will get you everywhere these days 😁 In fact, it's the newly minted "coin of the realm". Those who bow and scrape, bend the knee, lie through their teeth praising the unmentionable are all the rage with the current resident of the White House-cum-Tesla dealership. Up is the new down.

All these replies are perfect reasons to stick to the fuckjoints. Pay the freight, go in and get it taken care of, and then go home. No problems, just the fun part.

ahhh-HAAA !!! So this is why the educational system is under attack. Wouldn't want the schoolkids to be challenged with any hint of critical thinking, would we ........

Same "old reliable" .... Slammer 😍

What I wonder is, what does RFK jr know about poppers ??? And how did he find out about them ...... Who was wandering around Hyannis Port back then anyway?

Completely correct. I've mentioned prior that when covid came dancing down the road, and everyone was afraid of everyone else, another top buddy and I got through that mess by agreeing to take each other's cock occasionally. Neither of us cared for it, but then, that wasn't the point. We knew each other fairly well - lived quite close to each other, and came to an agreement to lessen the chances of catching a dread disease. Neither of is cared much for taking the other guy's load, but at least each of us got some Hole. Besides - his Cock was on the thin side, so it wasn't all that uncomfortable. And fucking with those face masks on was downright weird. But, we're both alive and well today, and we both got at least something during that pandemic. Would either of us suddenly up and decide we're bottoms? Or Verse? Hell no. But, putting up with something we didn't care for was better than nothing but jerking it.

I think that's what I took away as one of the most important points. Where are kids going to get in touch with themselves, learn introspection skills, if not in some kind of educational venue? It doesn't just grow on trees ... and it doesn't come naturally either. It's something we need to strive for - accomplish.

I think most of us have had similar experiences at some point - Tops, bottoms. verse, you name it. What I don't understand though, is why on earth a guy would tell some other guy that he's X, when he's committedly Y. (T or B or both). I've had guys in the fuckjoints start in on my ass, and I always quietly but firmly tell them no thanks. And I do NOT have anything interesting to look at back there. Why that isn't good enough is beyond me. It's simply a gold-plated invitation to a rancorous result. Lately we hear in the general public discourse a saying "when somebody tells you who they are, believe them".

Yup .... over by SearsTown. I remember it well too - but it's life was taken in the name of urban renewal, dammittall. That whole area is gone now. Just SW of that block (6th, 8th Ave,) there are nothing but new, midrise condo buildings. Blocks and blocks of them, with the attendant newly minted mothers pushing baby carriages, the whole panoply of boring nothingness. The bartender had a lineup of electric frying pans on the backbar - he'd fix you a sandwich, a bag of chips and a beer for a few bucks. The bar went from the front of the bar to about 3/4 the way to the back of the bar, but curved around to meet the wall about 3/4 of the way to the back wall. Thus, you could sit at the bar, have a nice little freshly-made lunch and a beer, and merely walk around the corner of the bar for some "dessert". The Cocksuckers would line up, sitting on the foot-rail, and all you had to do was pause for a moment and some guy would be sucking your Cock in an eyeblink. And, as you point out, the johns were always busy. So busy, that they only allowed fucking in the men's john - the ladies john was reserved for actual pissing and .... well .... 'nuff said. Everyone parked on the street behind the bar, and came in by the back door. I don't think I ever saw anyone come or go via the front door. A couple of years ago, I was walking back from some errand - don't remember what - and some guy was coming towards me on the sidewalk wearing an old Cubby Hole t-shirt. I tried to buy it, but he wouldn't part with it. Frankly, if it were me, I wouldn't have peddled it either.

Well, no .... I moved here from Chicago about 15 years ago. I do remember the Cubby Hole though - now it's gone, thanks to the mayor's thirst for "urban renewal" - look alike midrise apts block after block after plastic block. It was immediately South of SearsTown, which has also been torn down. Was it the kind of joint it sounds like it was?

I'm sorry to read that you were so disappointed. That said: having spent many afternoons down there, I can't remember a time when there were only "10% of the guys were under 65". Yes, there are some "seniors", and plenty of younger guys. Some guys value "experience", some don't. One of these days you'll be a senior too, and your lusts won't dry up once you are. Given that I.L. is built a business-model of catering to "day-pass" traffic (there are guys that drive up from Miami, other smaller towns outside of Ft. L. for example), I wouldn't expect spacious, luxurious rooms. Also, I've never experienced anything less than a clean (if spare) room. There's a sling in every room, a clean john/shower, and everything is neat and tidy. Nothing is extravagant, but there are more than enough gay guesthouses around town (particularly W.M.) that are downright extravagant, and priced accordingly. As far as I know, we're still not able to fuck plaster statues. Inn Leather* is an great source of enjoyment to lots of guys, and it's far enough away from downtown that it'll survive our mayor's thirst tearing down so many older places instead of renovation, preservation. *which may have had some relationship with what Leathermen call The Leather Scene/Life at some point years ago. Admittedly t's hardly that now (unless someone equates a sling in every room with living The LeatherLife.

Nothing wrong with a 350 at all - I sill have a Chev pickup with a 350 in it. Frankly, the earth never did need cars with huge displacement engines poisoning the planet, but .... that said .... for some of us that had them (and 440 cid engines from Chrysler Corp), hot, hungry cummy Holes craving more loads aren't the only thing that turned some Cocks into granite (temporarily, of course) 🤩

Thanks for that update, twinkcumdumpSF. It's been years since I was last there, and it was nothing but depressing. So, we'll take your updated word for it.

Does it have a 455?

Are those actual colors? I know what amber is, but "puce" ??? Waaaaaaay too close to puke .....

This may be a dumb idea, but here goes: 1. Start with a fuckbuddy - or maybe two. Plan a smallish "group" event, and each "member" (you, and the other 1 or 2) invite one more guy. Assuming that works ..... 2. ... you'll have 5 or 6 guys in the group. Then, have another fuck-event with the same 5/6 guys - which will allow each guy to get to know the others a little better. Add another fuckevent, and ask each guy to get 1 new guy. The more dedicated a guy is, the more he'll get new guys. 3. Take it easy on the numbers -and don't give this group a name - yet. Keep it small at first, and let word of sex .... I mean ... word of mouth do a little bit of the work. It could be split off into several separate "groups", yet in communication with each other. By this time, there may be a need for a "board" or handful of leaders. Keep it focused on the group-sex, and don't be shy about telling your friend/fuckbuds about it. 4. Solicit new ideas from within the group, and thus widen the appeal for new guys. And above all, toss any shred of judgementalism in the garbage. Might as well try it, right? Finally, keep it smallish until some natural (and proven) leaders surface. It might be months, maybe a year. I think this model could work almost anywhere.

and that's the rub: the more "advanced" the country is, the more "enlightened" it's Government is in providing what most deem "necessary" healthcare services. There is no "free lunch" - or free healthcare - or free childcare - or free anything - for very long. So if one wants a more "socialist" Government, then get your ass out in the streets and start demonstrating for one. Join organizations reflecting your views. Sitting in our chairs complaining accomplishes nothing. When formerly "advanced" nations (or soon to be "formerly") regress, seem to turn inwards, blame others for their troubles, become far too eager to point the finger at scapegoats, refuse to educate their children properly, on and on, they wind up losing any claim to leadership in the world. The citizens begin to wonder why their nation is no longer held in esteem, and look for reasons to point to. A mindset of "it's the other guy's fault" takes hold, and the vortex of disunity sucks in all those who don't understand what's happening or why. When potential answers come, they are disputed over the tiniest of details, often with rancorous exchanges. The resultant "blame the other guy" never works well. If we're too busy with the minutia of casting blame on X personage, Y policy, we miss the larger picture. It's eeeeasy to sit and bitch, but never productive. There's something every person can actually "do". To the OP, when we get what we pay for, most folks are satisfied. When that's no longer the case, we tend to look around for some other guy to blame. Look instead for something to do. Take part. Write letters. Join orgs in your area that suit your viewpoint. When formerly "advanced" nations (or soon to be "formerly") regress, seem to turn inwards, blame others for their troubles, become far too eager to point the finger at scapegoats, refuse to educate their children properly, on and on, they wind up losing any claim to leadership in the world. The citizens begin to wonder why their nation is no longer held in esteem, and look for reasons to point to. A mindset of "it's the other guy's fault" takes hold, and the vortex of disunity sucks in all those who don't understand what's happening or why. When potential answers come, they are disputed over the tiniest of details, often with rancorous exchanges. The resultant "blame the other guy" never works well. If we're too busy with the minutia of casting blame on X personage, Y policy, we miss the larger picture. It's eeeeasy to sit and bitch, but never productive. There's something every person can actually "do". To the OP, when we get what we pay for, most folks are satisfied. When that's no longer the case, we tend to look around for some other guy to blame. Look instead for something to do. Take part. Write letters. Join orgs in your area that suit your viewpoint.

Which of the Scandinavian nations do you mean ....

Well, thanks ... the political mess has been heating up around here (thank Whatever). Had around 500 at this week's demonstration - not bad for the 3rd week (after all - this is Florida ....) Of course - and it seems to apply across the board - MtoM, MtoF, FtoF,* whatever. And, we all fuck one way or another - but what I'm wondering about is the idea that men (or males) are trying to negate the sperm of previous men** (this obviously applies to straights) via a fuck subsequent to the load off the previous cock. Once a cock - any cock - has pumped a hole full of sperm, it's already too late to attempt to "negate" the load off the previous Cock. *via a dildo or similar **whether gay, straight, bi, or some other amalgamation, there's no way that I can think of to get rid of previous loads other than a thorough douche (or feast 😉). And even then it may already be "too late". Those frisky little swimmers can do the deed before we even pull out, (depending on the degree of propulsion, of course). Interesting thought - I suppose it would definitely help evacuate the Hole of previous loads, assuming the Cock pulled entirely out, was wiped off, etc etc ... But, so would a hungry tongue searching out the remains of previous loads. As far as I know however, the little swimmers can get to where they're headed fairly quickly, and there are waaaay more than enough of them to do the job. This whole subject is something I've never heard of before, but it's an interesting subplot to the OP.