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The PrEP provider does the tri-monthly testing, but since I possess a proclivity (or three) that carries more risk of the lesser bugs, I get tested monthly for those. Once in a while I do catch one, and it gets treatment for it within a couple of weeks instead of a couple of months. Of course, the more active one is sexually, the greater the chances of picking up something. Any guy that's sexually active should assume that he's going to pick up one of the lesser bugs (assuming he's on PrEP) at some point, and get tested regularly for them. The sooner we get them treated, the better - right?

Well said. When that sense of duty to others (meaning, either restraining our temptations to "burn' others for their shared thoughts about whatever) is not observed, the entire social construct is weakened. Not just here on BZ, but everywhere. Sure, it takes a few years of living to recognize sometimes, but eventually the majority will learn and accept that anti-social commentary serves no constructive purpose, and only diminishes the turd-throwers.

Wellllllllllll ............. When the plague hit, San Fran was way ahead of most of the country, in terms of gay life in general, and wanton fucking in particular. Do you know how wide-reaching that Chronicle study was - I mean within the US? Was it controlled for factors such as density of the gay population in major metro areas elsewhere, or the freedom that SF percentage felt to have indiscriminate sex? If it was only conducted within San Fran and it's environs, that would skew the numbers fairly dramatically. San Fran was attracting guys from everywhere when hiv came along, even just for a fuck-cation.

Thanks for the interesting response, PissGuzzlerLA. Well, as you say, to each his own, right? The above can just as easily be accomplished lying on his bed, on his back, and jacking out a load. The load can be studied and measured, and whatever else a guy might want to do. To me, the point of fucking guys is to Breed them (assuming that's what they're in the darkrooms for). Or, put another way, "connecting", "bonding" with another man, however fleetingly. Sometimes when I'm getting close, I bend over and whisper into the bottom's ear "now I'm going to make you one of my boys". That connection/bonding is limited only by the participants awareness of the importance we place on spreading our Seed as widely as possible. It can be a deeply-felt connection, even in the darkrooms. Fetishes are a deep and most interesting attribute to consider. Different things can mean so much to so many, and only an open mind by all guys involved can receive the benefit of understanding. It's really cool !!! Thanks for the interesting response.

^ Exactly. I know I've lived a better life as a Leatherman, whether in or out of the hides. The Leather Ethic is something we carry throughout every aspect of our lives, That "ethos" extends inexorably into the mainstream of our daily lives, and improves us as men, as members of the human race.

I think this is a big factor in the amount of Sperm the balls produce. Years ago, I often heard the bottom say something like "I felt it shooting up my Hole", and I could easily sent it 6' or more. Now, not so much - literally.

One-to-one's are always good, but nothing beats group-breeding.

My favorite is attaching the leg straps to the forward chains - i.e. those suspending the bottom's "head" area, furthest from me. I use heavy duty clips, which can be attached to any of the 4 chains, and at any link. This provides the most visually-appealing access to the Hole, and accentuates it's accessibility. If it proves uncomfortable for the bottom, it can be easily adjusted, including lowering the clips adjacent to the bottom's head if necessary. Of course, the body-type (i.e. tall, short) needs to be taken into consideration, so as not to cause discomfort. For me, the more the Hole is presented in the most vulgar and visually appealing way - legs spread as wide and over the bottom's chest as is comfortable - the better.

It's been my - well, 2nd - favorite act of sexual bonding for decades. It's not the healthiest of Lusts, but a hot-holed bottom with a line of guys waiting their turn just turns my crank big time. I particularly like a hairy Hole, since the hair helps hold the loads from just running down the bottom's balls, dripping on the floor/pavement/ground, etc. There's more, but it may be a bit over the esoteric edge for most guys. Suffice to say that "bonding" is important, and entails far, far more than just the one bottom ....

I don't understand that either. The only explanation I can think of is, these guys are watching too much porn, which is a revenue-producing business. The proof that the Cock actually shot it's load during a porn flick, is when the viewer can actually see the load, and the viewer realizes the scene was genuine. That said, it's understandable that the actors are instructed to let the first jet of Sperm hit the Hole, and fuck it in later, after the rest of the load is pumped up the bottom's gut. But I have never understood why spraying the load all over the place is supposed to be "hot". All I can offer is, asking the Top to fuck his Sperm up your gut, and no where else before he gets down to business. At least he'll know what you really want.

LOL ... yep ... and the very best kind !!!

Last weekend there were tremendous thunderstorms - didn't go out much*. I did head over to Slammer on Sunday night, not many guys there at all, but one of the guys in the darkroom - he was a hot-holed kid - just what I needed. Bent over and whispered Breedtalk in his ear - told him how proud his Dad was of him, how sweet his Hole was, shared him with another guy for a while ... it was fun. Hoping for decent weather this weekend though. *my daily-driver is a little tinkertoy of a car - it would have flooded out easily trying to get around, since in my 'hood there are no gutters. The water just stands, covering the streets until it finally soaks into the ground beside the pavement. Are you listening, Mr. Mayor ???

Very glad to know you're back in the saddle again, HardOneLA. We're all hoping that the issue is over and done with, and you'll be taking loads with the best of em for years into the future !!!

Empathise !!! .... blame it on greasy fingers .... 🙄 (but you guys read through it anyway, I'm sure)

yuk & double yuk ..... neh-ver !!!

The first time I attended Folsom in Berlin ... maybe 20-some years ago? I don't speak German, so at first, it was a bit ... would awkward be the right word?

And you were correct !!!

Really .... is there a market for them today? I haven't seen it in years, but I know there's a decent-sized box of them somewhere ... maybe the garage ....

Obviously. This introduces a new question into the discussion, and you stated the answer perfectly. If the two men care for each other deeply, and they've been sharing sex together for many years, and one guy simply cannot keep his partner sated due to health (or any other, for that matter) concerns, the obvious solution is to re-negotiate the terms of the relationship. The "still-able" partner may feel guilty, even with the blessing of his partner, but at least the issue has been honestly addressed. That is hardly "cheating", it's the direct opposite. I've been around for a while, and this has happened to friends (2 were fuck-bud couples, 1 wasn't), and recognizing that the other fundamentals of the relationship was on solid ground, I was able to help mediate, because I knew each would be a lesser man without the other. Two were successful, one not so much. But the underlying caring each man had for the other (these were long-term relationships) held more power than the alternatives. While sharing sex together may seem like the glue that was holding the relationship together, it's not the only glue. The "catch" is that each guy in both those successful cases was the underlying love each held for the other, which turned out to be the strongest glue, not the sharing of sex. I don't find that solution "the least bad", in that the real foundation was preserved. Foundational to the entire issue. Perfectly put. As always, you hit the nail squarely on the head. There is/was something missing in the relationship from day (or perhaps more likely night), one. Cheating - or dishonesty in general - eventually rots the character of the cheater, and the sorrow is that they seldom realize that fact in time to make some corrective changes. I see the notion of "getting one over on my partner" as symptomatic of a guy who has yet to come to terms with becoming what our Jewish buddies call "a mensch" - a real man. Thanks for the great response.

Exactly. Far more productive in the long run. While some guys don't want anything like a "long run" relationship, which is entirely their choice, most humans want/need/enjoy a substantive relationship with a life-partner. Thanks, JiminWis, for the incisive response. Of course not. It's up to each individual guy to figure out what he wants out of life, and what he doesn't. More, whatever he winds up doing (relationship-wise), is his business and no one else's - other than a partner if/when he comes along. It occurs that this kind of "relationship" is founded on something less than bedrock. Relationships are living things, and when 50% of that relationship has a fundamental issue with the status quo, it's the responsibility of the other half to at least listen, try to understand his partner's needs, and try to come up with an acceptable solution. Otherwise, it may not have been much of a sharing relationship in the first place. A "flat no" is hardly an appropriate response, and I can easily understand the "fuck-it" result. Every person in a relationship deserves to have his issues heard and addressed. It's not like relationships are static, carved-in-stone entities. They're living, breathing, entities, and they need to be looked after. At least some do learn before the crash. Thanks for your addition to the conversation.

I'm guessing that the new owner was/is completely at sea trying to run the business, is losing money, and trying to hang on by wringing every last dollar out of the clientele. Obviously, that's the last thing he should be doing, and I hope some new owner with a bit of competence turns up.

Sooooo ... I just looked the term "side" up. All it seems to mean is a guy that enjoys a lot of sexual activities with other men, except fucking or getting fucked. Everything else is on the table. How the word "side" has any descriptive correlation to guys fucking (or not) escapes me. Maybe what we used to call "side-saddle" ???

Agreed. The shock of not knowing which of your friends/fuckbuds/neighbors would be around by the time next week rolled around was more than enough to make guys of all kinds withdraw from the action, and quickly. There was a fun bar over on Broadway called Loading Dock, and the second, back-bar area was where everyone fucked. I remember going over there with my other half during the earlier days, and there were guys just standing staring at this pair of men, completely naked, fucking bareback. Shocked, stunned men - maybe 25 or 30 of them - just staring in disbelief at these two. We figured that both were already positive, and just thought they'd continue to fuck right up until the last chance to do it, knowing they'd both be gone soon. Guys who never went through it can emphasize, and that's to their credit, but they'll never comprehend the depth of the horror.

As a matter of history, the faded Hollywood B-movie "star" (who, coincidentally played sidekick to a chimpanzee), and then ran successfully for President - the man who never once allowed the descriptive acronym to escape his painted lips - could have done better than almost anyone else in the country to raise the alarm. But no, he retreated to his fevered imaginative 'city on a hill' script while thousands died. Maybe Randy paid too much attention to Cary, and the above-referenced Bonzo went nuts with jealousy ....

Welcome, negkinkybottomcub & ArdmoreKimberly - and thanks for joining up. We hope to hear more from each of you again soon.