Sex with straight guys

[rock-cock-jock]

Growing up, I think every single gay guy fantasizes about straight cock, and likely gave some semi-serious thought to various strategies that could make that happen (at least I did). Unfortunately, in many cultures, there's a huge stigma against straight guys doing gay shit with kind of a social penalty of being labelled as weak, less masculine, weird, etc. So, there's definitely a challenge in the social logistics to bringing em over to the gay side. Now, there might be some naive skeptics reading this thinking "What rubbish! Straight guys cant go gay. it's a hard wired piece of neurophysiology, part of their identity. Straight guys aren't attracted to gay guys nor do they fantasize about gay sex or gay kinks. They only like women, it's futile to even bother and that's that." Well, let me tell you something, you're HUGELY mistaken. Yes, I'm quite certain that a quite substantial chunk of the straight male population, at least in North America, have over the years come to dibble dabble in the homo pot.

Yes, definitely and more than you’d expect. I’ve been hosting anon hotel pump and dumps for quite a number of years across NA and I’d estimate a consistent 30+% of my respondent demographic to identify as straight, and often married (usually dad types in their 40s to 50s). I’ve also had quite a few straight male friends over the years that were ok with me giving them a blowjob from time to time when I suggested it, some even did anal. It’s a different dynamic of course- no intimacy or those kinds of emotions and more of a sexual convenience type thing, and some even have weird ideas about kissing (too intimate or something?) or eye contact while you're sucking them off. Most of my blow buddies (this was during university) were most comfortable getting blown in the dark, usually late at night after beer (and sometimes 420) with me taking the initiative. Having said that, a few years later, I had two separate straight regular fuckbuds (at different timepoints)that were not only ok going bareback top AND bottom but also progressively got into kissing and body contact and all that stuff. Still straight, no lovey dovey type feelings (unfortunately, because I had heavy crushes for both) but were open to more hardcore stuff. I will mention (mods, please don't kick topic into backroom for this) that one of the fuckbuds had a coke addiction and he mentioned that the first couple months we met up, it was always and only prompted from being high. Strangely though, midway, he was able to stop his coke addiction and yet we were still fuckbuds for a couple more months until I had to leave town. 

Over the years, this has kinda become a fetish of mine (not in a creepy way) of making friends with certain straight guys and seeing if they would be up for a blowjob (damn, it really does sound creepy when I write it down). Some types of guys tend to be more amenable than others and I think half the battle is being able to read their disposition before popping a suggestion. This is pure speculation on my part and it doesn't always work out at all but some traits that I think kind of stand out to me are 1) the guy is comfortable with the concept of casual sex and has experience with it, the sketchier the approach (doublelist, any sort of online forum/chatroom, hookup apps) the better. Sometimes there's just a kind of a vibe that the guy is very sexually  open to whatever. 2) Tattoos - I have no idea if there's a connection tbh but more often than not, the ones that say yes for me have a tattoo. 3) They experienced gay stuff when they were younger, either sexually abused by a male relative or jerked off with friends, whatever. I have a straight suck-bud here in Calgary that had the former happen to him and when I asked him about it, he said yeah even though he's straight somehow there's an association between the details of his abuse and being sexually turned on. He doesn't think of it as reliving the abuse though but rather he said that it's an enjoyable experience and it's his own way of having a degree of control over things. I don't really understand his description tbh but childhood experience as a predictor makes sense because they've basically already crossed that first psychological hurdle of trying homo fun 4) Alcohol (420 etc) - I don't know if alcoholism is a trait or if the alcohol is simply a tool to lower inhibitions or if being drunk gives them the excuse to go for it, I'm not sure, but I think it's something worth keeping in mind. Overall, I personally think that there is a continuous spectrum across male straightness the same way there is a spectrum across gayness/queerness. I also think that the huge cultural stigma against straight guys trying gay stuff has become less prohibitive for whatever reason. In any case, the moral of the story is that there's a solid portion of the straight male population out there that's open to indulging any residual straight fetish you may have lingering from your teen years. Don't be pushy or weird or creepy about this, especially in public, but for a select few, under the right circumstances, with the right social navigation, that cock can be all yours! 

 

[fskn]

A thorough and well-written analysis, @rock-cock-jock. I'm glad that we are moving away from defining sexual orientation as a single (and permanent) position at one of two poles, and realizing that a given person may be somewhere in between (and that his position might change over time or under certain circumstances).

It's also important to recognize that people's behavior might not be consistent with the categories by which they identify themselves. The behavior is what matters, and any gap between the behavior and the label is just interesting.

The rationing of hetero sex (by women who are afraid that men will perceive of them as sluts; and then by women who use sex as one bargaining chip in a sexist society; and legitimately, by women whose male partners are selfish or simply bad at sex) seems to be a big reason when some straight-identified men seek out sex with gay men (and also trans people).

To a straight guy whose girlfriend or wife isn't putting out, access to easy and good head from a gay man is worth a lot.

[Ieatcumholes]

If a man who self-identifies as straight has sex with me, his self-identification is more important than my identification of him. Off the top of my head I have had sex with four self-identified straight men - one lived with his girlfriend, one was single and the other two were married. I'm sure there were others, but those four immediately come to mind.

I did enjoy reading @rock-cock-jock's post as it struck a number of chords for me. I don't purposely seek out straight men, but I have a decades long record of getting crushes on them. The four I mentioned above were all active and willing participants in the sex so they didn't need the "I was drunk" or "I was high" excuse. At least one and probably two of them were "any port in a storm" types who didn't care what gender the other person was as long as they got their rocks off.

I do agree that sexual attraction can be a spectrum, although in America that's not really encouraged. The other week on RuPaul's Drag Race the first ever straight drag queen said, "there are many ways to be gay, but there's only one way to be straight" (or words very close to that effect). That pretty much sums up the state of heterosexuality in America for anyone who might want to veer away from the perceived "norm."

And, on a related tangent, I decided a couple of decades ago that I had no problem having sex with straight (and especially married) men because I didn't promise fidelity to their wives or girlfriends. They did.

[PigBoyDallas]

On 2/15/2022 at 7:22 PM, rock-cock-jock said:

some traits that I think kind of stand out to me are 1) the guy is comfortable with the concept of casual sex and has experience with it, the sketchier the approach (doublelist, any sort of online forum/chatroom, hookup apps) the better. Sometimes there's just a kind of a vibe that the guy is very sexually  open to whatever. 2) Tattoos - I have no idea if there's a connection tbh but more often than not, the ones that say yes for me have a tattoo.

4) Alcohol (420 etc) - I don't know if alcoholism is a trait or if the alcohol is simply a tool to lower inhibitions or if being drunk gives them the excuse to go for it, I'm not sure, but I think it's something worth keeping in mind. Overall, I personally think that there is a continuous spectrum across male straightness the same way there is a spectrum across gayness/queerness. I also think that the huge cultural stigma against straight guys trying gay stuff has become less prohibitive for whatever reason. In any case, the moral of the story is that there's a solid portion of the straight male population out there that's open to indulging any residual straight fetish you may have lingering from your teen years. Don't be pushy or weird or creepy about this, especially in public, but for a select few, under the right circumstances, with the right social navigation, that cock can be all yours! 

 

rock-cock-jock I think you nailed it there. I don't go out seeking straight guys/boys, but they seem to key into me, or I put out some vibe or attitude they like or connect with. It's not a fetish per se, but not something I seek out. It's more I don't say no to it. And I agree with @leatcumholes that how they identify is more important than what I perceive or think. I've had a lot of straight boys complain about how gay guys are judge-y and call them out as not being truly "straight". And I agree with Maddy Morphosis, the straight contestant on Ru Paul who said there's lots of ways to be gay but only one way to be straight and most of the straight boys I get with say more or less the same thing. Its fucking stifling and tough to be straight when you have kinks or preferences that deviate even slightly out from the macho/machismo/toxic masculinity BS they have to conform to.  They don't want something they do that is a very small part of their life to define them one way or the other. They don't need me piling on too. And yeah, I'm not making promises like fidelity, commitment, or monogamy to them. I'm here so they can have fun, be free to explore themselves and who they are, and not have to worry about all that other shit. As far as I'm concerned, taking it up the ass doesn't make you less of a man, it makes you more of a man, as does admitting you want it and need it. And your dick getting hard over another guy doesn't make you gay.

But back to rock-cock-jock's points. I totally agree on tats. On the sketchier side, hell yeah. A straight guy has to worry about getting caught, so they're going to be on places that hide in plain sight like Kik or websites rather than apps. Apps can be found on phones, but websites you have to remember. Most of the straight guys who've hit me up are off of Kik from different chat groups. And most either already want raw or are open to it. On tats, pretty much every single straight guy/boy I've hooked up with has had at least one tattoo and most have/had several. I think it has to do with openness and non-conformity. An uptight person isn't going to get ink, let alone multiple tats. The more tats the more sexually open a guy is based on my anecdotal experience. And the more tats the freakier they are too. They're open to wilder stuff including raw and don't have a lot of hang ups or inhibitions.  On alcohol or drugs, it's not for me to judge if they're alcoholics or users, most do it to relax, it's not something they HAVE to do or it's the "god, I was so drunk" excuse. It's something they're not used to, and the alcohol/drugs helps to lower their inhibitions or nerves. It's not that they have a beer and suddenly they want to bottom. Now, do I know some straight boys who are suddenly more "open" to getting gay if they get drunk/high? Yeah, I do, and I know I'll be judged for this, but I have no problems feeding that if it gets us where I want to go.

But honestly, most straight guys just want a sympathetic bud to listen to them and not be judgmental. They get that from wives, girlfriends, parents, fiancées, and friends. They can confide things with me that they can't with anyone else. And I'm not gonna rat them out. And I do what they want and need and do it without complaint. And for some I give them what their wife, GF or fiancée can't give them. And I would say this to any of them, maybe you should treat them better or they wouldn't come to me looking for comfort, solace, and yes, PLEASURE. Because sister, you ain't giving them ANY of that!

[rock-cock-jock]

hmm, alright, I'll try out kik and see. I've never has good experiences with kik though tbh - my impression before I deleted was mostly: extreme closet cases, bunch of catfish, pedophiles and pic collectors. 

5 hours ago, PigBoyDallas said:

I don't go out seeking straight guys/boys, but they seem to key into me, or I put out some vibe or attitude they like or connect with.

Damn, maybe you're just really lucky, or you got the thiccest most inviting badonkadonk ever or something. I think for me, there was only once irl (excluding online) that I thought a straight guy was taking the initiative to start something and it wasn't even direct but just kinda alot of graphic innuendo (but some terms were dropped that were more on the gay side of pornhub than the straigth side) moreso than the normal university bromance banter while drunk sort of thing back in the day. But I didn't act on it, mainly because I generally am overcautious and tend to overthink things and I got the impression that there was a sort of weird psychological power move component(which some guys do get off on but I've never really understood) that I wasn't completely comfortable with. Maybe it's just my style or my being a bit of a control freak, but I prefer low key chill arrangements that's based more on mutual trust rather than a power dynamic.

 

6 hours ago, PigBoyDallas said:

They don't want something they do that is a very small part of their life to define them one way or the other.

Very well said.Totally agree with you. I feel like North American society has over the years imposed a very narrow and kinda unfair standard of expected traits and norms on straight guys if they want to consider themselves as a healthy successful sexual man. As you said, the expectation of hypermasculinity is a core component, whether it be bio things like height, muscles, cock size, etc, or learned behaviors/cues like tone of voice, swag, posture, etc. Although androgenic secondary sex traits are I think generally major determinants of attraction in both homo and hetero worlds, I feel like in the gay world there's quite a bit more wiggle room for whatever reason in deciding the minimal fuckability threshold and is not as tightly correlative with androgenicity. whereby in the straight world, maybe perhaps because of the differences in partner number in that girls are expected to choose fewer partners (did you know that the avg # of sex partners/lifetime in the straight world is only 7? appalling right?), I think the constraints of their attraction standards are somehow more impactful? or maybe it's various other influences like media and such that reinforce a certain type of image to strive towards? So, I think the consequence of this is that straight guys further down the spectrum that fall out of this image are not only starved of sex but they may also have competing psychological influences to this image such as a desire for submission, tenderness, sensitivity, warmth or an appreciation of beauty (which tend to be associated as feminine psycho-social influences) which in turn may collectively encourage some to homo curiousity? This is pure speculation. By the way, we gay guys don't fully escape the effects of this image. Even outside the dating circle, I think there's a subconscious bias that links this image with arbitrary things like perceived capability in the workplace or authority in a group setting or trustworthiness to strangers. 

So interesting to hear confirmation that my suspected tattoo connection could be legit. Maybe the tattoo/alcohol/drugs/casual sex represents a certain mindset? Like one that searches across deviant or edgy behavior to satisfy/escape something? dunno. I wonder what other patterns laid out in plain sight we could be missing

[Cumfilledbottomboi]

I’ve been bred by identified straight men more than once in the bed of one of their (young) children or in the family living room with toys everywhere. 

[ErosWired]

The concept of a gay man seducing a straight man into sex seems to draw its allure from the sense that the straight guy would normally be unobtainable - and we want most what we cannot have. But the sharp, immutable separation between “gay” and “straight” is a myth that was dispelled 74 years ago with the publication of Kinsey’s Sexual Behavior In The Human Male (1948) in which he debuted the Kinsey Scale. The Kinsey Scale illustrates the findings of Kinsey’s comprehensive research, which found that sexual identity is a fluid and changeable spectrum, and very few people occupy its extreme ends. For more on this, check out: [think before following links] https://kinseyinstitute.org/research/publications/kinsey-scale.php

In the years since Kinsey’s publication, other studies and scales of human sexuality have been developed to refine Kinsey’s foundational concepts. One notable scale is the Klein Grid, which reflects the possibility that a person’s sexual orientation may change over time. You can take a simple assessment to see where you might land on a Klein Grid at: [think before following links] https://bi.org/en/klein-grid

I never think about whether a guy who fucks me might be straight because:

A) To my mind, a “straight” man is someone whose sexual attraction is, by definition, exclusively to women, so if he’s sexually motivated enough by a male body to fuck it, he cannot be, by definition, “straight” as the term is defined. Excuses like “My girlfriend won’t put out and I need a warm hole to nut in” don’t hold any water; a truly “straight” man would find the very idea of fucking a dude repugnant. I am very well aware of Kinsey, so I realize that such labels are basically meaningless anyway.

B) I’m a bisexual. I married a woman and had exclusively hetero reproductive sex for over a decade, and produced offspring. The sex was good. After that ended, I shifted gears and the sex is good. If in the unlikely future event of my finding another suitable female partner, I would switch gears again, because I do monogamy when I take a vow. But because I myself order from the full menu, it doesn’t occur to me to wonder whether anyone else is any different.

C) And it’s not as if it matters anyway; my purpose is to serve the sexual need of men with my body. Not just certain men, but any man, and every man who seeks it, without criterion, including his “orientation”. The only thing I need know is that he wants to fuck me; if so, he is automatically entitled to it.

D) I am very well aware of Kinsey, and so even if I did somehow think to wonder if the man cunting me were straight, I would instantly get bored thinking about it because the question would be meaningless. A more interesting question is, when a woman is pegging me with a strapon and doing as good a job as any Alpha, do we think of her as a straight woman?

[hntnhole]

On 2/17/2022 at 6:05 PM, PigBoyDallas said:

taking it up the ass doesn't make you less of a man, it makes you more of a man

100%, PigBoyDallas !!!  What could be more masculine than bending over for another man's hard Cock ???  Some guys think its' 'submissive', and it can be.  Some guys think it's 'feminine', and it can be.  Some guys think with their assholes too - and that's ok.  There's room for every guy, especially the guys that have outgrown the cultural bs drummed into us from childhood.

 

On 2/17/2022 at 6:05 PM, PigBoyDallas said:

And the more tats the freakier they are too. They're open to wilder stuff including raw and don't have a lot of hang ups or inhibitions.

Agreed.  I'll fuck an inked guy over non-inked any day.  To me, it means pretty much the same, and I kinda like guys that walk down the street showing off who and what they are - it reflects Pride in himself, and his self-fulfillment. It also announces to one and all his disinterest in cultural garbage. 

[hntnhole]

On 2/18/2022 at 4:35 AM, rock-cock-jock said:

(did you know that the avg # of sex partners/lifetime in the straight world is only 7? appalling right?),

No, I didn't.  The only answer could be that most of the participants in that poll were so full of O.R. bullshit, they only dared to try out an infinitesimal number of sex-partners.  Even when I was in high school I fucked more girls that that .... 

[tallslenderguy]

Wow, yet another great discussion on BZ. i love this place/culture.

i've come to a place in my journey where i have no problems examining and questioning authority or the norm.  Which came first, people or language?  i think it's the former. Then we developed language as a means of connecting with others, sharing our thoughts and feelings.  What i find with many who speak with authority, or an authoritative attitude, is they are usually speaking from an ego/ethnocentric position vs evidence based. Any honest scientist will tell you that evidence is the best we know or can determine  right now. One of my favorite parts of what i consider a legitimate study is the honest disclaimer: "further studies are needed."  

People come up with terms like "straight, bi, gay, etc., ad infinitum" to try and convey a state of being. i think where we fail is when we think we can simplify the complex with a few words or labels.  i think we get more connection when we continually look and listen, see and hear vs labeling a person and relating to that label instead of what currently is. Life, by definition is fluid, motion. Death is the cessation of movement?  And, there's the question of life/energy never really ending, just changing form.  Life and sexuality are infinite, multidimensional and we experience it somewhere between a and b?  

When i am really needing connection with other guys and wanna receive their cock and energy and what comes out of it, prior to pandemic i would go to the ABS. i found lunch time and the time guys were getting off work to be the best times. i'm pretty sure most the guys who fucked me or who wanted to get sucked off were stopping off on their way home to the wife or girl friend. 

[BlackDude]

I wish gay men fetishized other gay men as much as they did straight men. 

[ronnie4u]

    Ever have straight guy comes to your party - he getting drunk - decided he better spend the night at your house - he was stupid drunk !

You taking - helping him to bed - helping taking off his clothes - noticing his bulge but glancing touching it - then he went to bed !

He was sound asleep and a hour  or so later - sneak into the bed room - touching the bulge in the underwear - then pulling off the underwear - releasing / bouncing hard cock !

You could not refuse - touching it - stroking it - sucking it - you are going nuts - freaking whore slut !

Soon while sucking his cock - your other hand grabbed your hard cock - stroking it too - then taking off your underwear - rubbing your cunt hole against the straight hard cock friends .

Gripping his hard cock - rubbing his cock against your hole - trying to squeeze it in your cunt - then the straight guy awaken - started fucking you hard and deep - releasing a cum load !

Then , he realized who you are - he was shock but came back for more - more !

Curious - ever heard of knock out pills ?

[DarkroomTaker]

Labels, Labels, just enjoy what you get from anyone.

[Barebackbottomno]

22 minutes ago, DarkroomTaker said:

Labels, Labels, just enjoy what you get from anyone.

Straight, bi, gay, ad nauseum--if a guy is into me, befriends me and/or wants to have sex with me, fuck the labels.

[ohmalewhore]

I would safely say that 100% of the men I've been fucked by in the past 5 months would identify as "straight" even though they really are bisexual. They're all married, all get no sex at home (or very little), most drive truck - the others were chance meetings or from other boards. Only my Daddy is now admitting that he has so many deeper feelings for me that he is positive he only wants to be sexual with me and doesn't see himself any longer as "straight." Of course I was the same way, though for years I've not been turned on by women in the least and would not be able to get aroused even in front of one totally nude. I'm just so done with titles though. Only title I care about now is the one for my "Daddy" and his for me, "Sissy."