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It's strange though, eh? It seems that they'd be hugely frustrated, that that is totally self defeating behavior?

That is curious to me when that happens. i wonder if with some, it's just that they want to have repeat affirmation? i too have wondered with some guys if they are illiterate? Seriously, not kidding. But then, they seem to know enough to be able to write the questions, so it seems they should be able to read and comprehend the answers.

This part: "...and words mean what people use them to mean" (5:36) That to me underlines the importance of listening and asking the word(s) user what they mean vs running away with our own idea of a word or label. and as i wrote that, appreciating Viking for asking.

Just now seeing this thread, so a bit late to the convo. i'm not MAGA, but was in the conservative camp for a big part of my life, so i think i can give perspective? One of the biggest objections i think that group has to "woke" is they associate it with stuff they deem wrong and/or immoral. In their context, it's irrational, but also emotionally charged. Since this is a gay site, "gay" can serve as an example. There is still an element of society that truly thinks/believes that there really is no such thing as being gay. They think it's a sickness or "sin" and many equate being gay to addiction or alcoholism resulting from 'bad' choices and/or bad upbringing. They consider those who are "woke" to be deceived or deluded, at best. Or worse, they think gays are purposely choosing to be evil by simply being who and how they are. In a way, i think they consider themselves to be "woke" and and everyone else is asleep. They object to the notion that others with an opposing perspective would even question them. i think a big anti woke element has religious factors. Going back to being gay, many believe that it's "God" who says being gay is wrong. There's a detachment that happens when a person attributes a believe to an all knowing being who's supposedly in charge and cannot be wrong. These people do not consider their views to be be views or beliefs, but take a position that their beliefs are knowledge: "truth." "Woke" often means seeing and accepting something or someone who violates their notion of "Truth."

Agreed. There is a radical and influential element of the Republican party that believes simply being LBGTQ+ is "an actual problem."

Never piss, just cumming hands free. But i think part of the appeal of WS is pissing has some similar feelings to orgasm. i've had Men Who pissed inside of me tell me that "it feels like a long orgasm." i remember the first time i had an orgasm at age 14. i was humping my mattress and as i started to cum, i panicked thinking i was going to pee and wet my bed. i got up and ran into the bathroom and discovered i didn't have to pee at all, that just some white stuff came out, and it wasn't as much as pee. The first time i had a hands free orgasm from getting fucked, the Top knew exactly what He was doing, and i didn't have a clue. i had no idea a guy could cum from being fucked. He started out simulating my penis and getting me horny, then flipped me and started fingering my ass. He was putting more fingers in, and when He got to the 4th finger, i turned my head and asked what He was doing? (i didn't know about fisting at that point either). He said nothing, pulled His fingers out and plunged His cock in. At that point, He had me where He wanted and i had a huge orgasm. But i didn't realize what was happening and i had the same panicked feelings i did as a kid the first time i came while humping my mattress. i thought i was going to pee in His bed. Even though i panicked, i was lying prone and He was on Top of me and not about to stop, so i left a puddle of cum on His mattress, and He was happy with the results. i was a little confused and newly enlightened realizing He'd made me cum from fucking me. Now, i know what's happening, but in that moment of orgasm, there are similar feelings as when starting to pee.

Hmmm, i'd say: "fuck that." Was he wearing a crown? Was he king of that cruising spot? Did he have a badge indicating he was officially in charge of enforcing the rules in that cruising spot? Did he point out the officially displayed list of cruising rules posted for everyone to plainly see? Or, was he just being presumptuous and ego centric assuming what he liked should be universal policy? Frankly, i don't think i would have wanted his seed at that point... don't wanna absorb 'no fuck' energy from anyone.

Though we use terms like "hard as a rock," a Mans Cock is still flesh and blood, not stone. The texture is soft, even if it's throbbing erect. As a bottom, seeing a Mans Cock throbbing hard speaks to me of His excitement and need/desire to penetrate and breed, and has the effect of connecting to my own lust/need to be penetrated, fucked and bred. Seeing it opens and penetrates me psychologically, i cannot imagine a Mans Cock that is too hard, that to me is like saying "He wants to fuck too much," and as far as i'm concerned, You cannot want/need to fuck "too much." This isn't universal, but a lot of the time i can tell when a Top is getting close to orgasm because His Cock swells a bit more, gets even harder before He shoots. It's a really hot sensation and overwhelms me with anticipation of Him having HIs orgasm inside of me.

Maybe there's just a higher degree of illiteracy among guys who have sex with guys? Before apps, if i wanted sex, i went to __________ and i got fucked. If i wanted to get fucked more, i just hung around _________ until i got fucked as many times as i wanted. If that cruisy place was slow, i'd go to another cruisy place, there were several. We didn't have to write or read anything, just a gesture like touching ones crotch or ass, or often just a look. i used to stand on this cruisy pedestrian bridge at dusk and if i saw a suspect Guy approaching, i'd turn my back and pretend to gaze out at the water below... and hike my shorts down so a little bit of ass was showing. More times than i can recount, a Man would walk up behind me, wordlessly lower my shorts, slide His cock into my hole and wordlessly leave me with cum inside.

^^This^^ One doesn't even have to be or become more progressive to contrast to the regressive Republican cult members driving their party into the ground.

If only everyone had such clarity! That's why i have qualifiers like "for me," "i see" and "i think," throughout that paragraph. i don't think this can be "known" or proven either way. So i think to say "i know" on either side of the fence is an overstep, and a projected bias. i still believe i am correct, i don't think we can separate sex from other parts of our being, our emotions, the desires/needs that motivate or drive us to have sex in the first place, whether we are aware of those drivers or not. But, i realize that's just what "i think," not a universal truth.

Thanks for keeping us on the straight and narrow 🙂 Re gut health.. post or pre is not a factor. Antibiotics do not discriminate between whether one takes them before or after sex, either way, broad spectrum antibiotics can have a deleterious effect on gut health because they kill beneficial bacteria as well as killing potential pathogens before they multiply. In terms of resistance. Overuse of antibiotics can result in bacterial/pathogen resistance to an antibiotic. Doxypep is presumptive treatment, and there are going to be guys who don't follow the guidelines and will take it indiscriminately. But even if taken according to instruction, it has the potential of facilitating resistance. It's a numbers game, there's a broad range of pathogens doxycycline is used to treat, if one unknowingly is infected with say a respiratory, or urinary or dental issue that has a bacteria that can currently be treated with doxycycline, that bacteria can develop resistance if the person taking the med is just taking a dose after a night of sex, a dose inadequate to resolve one of the other issues. i think the advantages of Doxypep outweigh the disadvantages though. There are other broad spectrum antibiotics that can treat those other issues, and if we could take a big bite out of STI's it would be a huge win. But it's not without a down side.

A PA only carries most of it's risk of infection initially when it's put in, once the skin heals, the only other issue is bacteria colonizing on the PA and since it's at the entry of the urethra, it poses some risk for urinary tract infection... but that can be avoided with proper care. i love a PA on a Top, it's sexy as fuck. It can be worn or not, so i think it just increases Your options. Here's some reputable info from Cleveland Clinic "Cleaning and caring for your penis piercing If you choose to pierce your penis, you’ll want to take some precautions to ensure it heals well and to avoid infection. Dr. Berglund offers these tips: 1. Choose a reputable piercing facility This isn’t the time to DIY or trust a friend with a sewing needle. Do your research and only go to a professional piercer who practices highly sanitary procedures. 2. Keep it covered You’ll probably leave the piercer rocking a bandage down under. You’ll want to continue to keep your new piercing covered, changing the bandage at least once a day to keep it clean and dry. Wearing tighter-fitting underwear will help keep the bandage in place and keep it from rubbing uncomfortably. 3. Wash well And we mean wash really well — but also treat it gently. You want to keep that piercing clean but also be careful not to pull or tug on it. In addition to showering (no baths or pools for now), clean your piercing at least twice a day with a mixture of salt and water. Use six parts water to one part salt. You can either soak your piercing in the mix for a few minutes by putting it in a bowl or cup. Or use a clean cloth or gauze to clean up. Dry your piercing with a paper towel (not your germ-infested bathroom towels). Only touch your piercing with freshly washed hands. 4. Abstain from sex until you’re healed No nookie while you’re healing. That includes vaginal sex, anal sex, receiving oral sex and masturbating. Keeping your new piercing free from others’ germs and reducing friction will promote healing and help you avoid infection. Some piercings may take three months or more to fully heal. 5. Watch out for signs of infection Inside your pants is a dark, damp, warm environment — just the kind of place where germs love to multiply. Those germs can easily make their way to your new piercing and cause infection. Signs to watch out for include: Redness. Swelling. Burning and pain. Discharge from the piercing site. Skin that feels warm to the touch. Fever. If you’re having trouble maintaining an erection or showing signs of infection after a piercing, talk to a doctor for advice." [think before following links] https://health.clevelandclinic.org/penis-piercing

To the original question, to me it depends on several factors. Social evolution has sex attached to all sorts of moral questions. For instance, a lot of religions promote that sex should only happen monogamously, and then only after marriage. That notion got rooted in tradition and general culture. Whether one is religious or not, were effected by it, consciously and unconsciously i believe. i think asking the question is evidence of that? i do not think sex needs to be a moral fact of life. i believe sex is a human need and appetite. We don't moralize eating, another human need, another human need/appetite. We don't saddle eating with contracts and tax breaks. Of course, eating and sex are not the same thing, but i think they share a lot of similarities, though some have managed to combine the two appetites... another topic for discussion, eh? For me individually, i see sex as an intrinsic and intimate part of who and how we are. Sex for me is about connecting to another man at a deep, vulnerable level of need and desire. i see all of those as key elements. i don't think sex is ever 'just physical.' Though i think many guys are pretty expert at avoiding or hiding from the some of the emotional aspects of sex (dare i use the word "spiritual?"), i still think we are all affected on those levels, whether we are aware or not. To me, "cheating" is about hiding a part of our essential self from another. "Cheating" in an intimate relationship contradicts the notion of intimacy. To me, if one aspires to have a committed (goes by a lot of names) relationship to another, one of the central reasons is to actually be known and accepted ('loved') for who and how we are. Hiding from someone who we are supposedly in an intimate relationship with, to me, makes the relationship itself sort of a farce.

Doxyprep is a trade off. Discriminate use can prevent getting infected with the result of having to take an even stronger dose of antibiotics to resolve the infection. Indiscriminate and/or long term use of antibiotics has a lengthy list of side effects. Doxycycline is a broad spectrum antibiotic. One of the side effects of broad spectrum antibiotics is they also kill beneficial microbes that live in our gut. We have 10x more bacteria cells living in our gut than we have cells that make up our whole body and we live in symbiosis with them. At this point, science is in the process of working to map the gut microbiome, but the process is just past the infancy stage. What we do know is the gut microbiome plays a huge part in our overall health. The excerpt below is sort of specific to the question asked and from a lengthy article citing a boat load of studies. This is just one tiny out take, the effects are numerous, i'll link the whole article for those who wanna nerd out and read the whole thing. "Broad‐spectrum antibiotics reduce gut microbiota diversity (Dubourg et al., 2014), and as well as killing the pathogen of concern can eradicate beneficial microbes (Blaser, 2011), with deleterious consequences for the host. The gut microbiota is responsible for the production of many essential metabolites including SCFAs and amino acids (Mills et al., 2019). Studies have reported that commensal‐produced butyrate and propionate have anti‐inflammatory roles, promoting the generation and differentiation of regulatory T cells (Arpaia et al., 2013; Furusawa et al., 2013), with roles in energy metabolism (den Besten et al., 2013; De Vadder et al., 2014). By impacting the composition of the microbial community, antibiotics also alter microbiota functionality and thus the metabolites produced (Ferrer et al., 2017)." [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8756738/

Faux warning?

Nah... i'm fine. i don't really dedicate a great deal of time or energy to politics. Yesterday i painted all the trim on my porch, the day before i stained it and the cedar shingles on the gables of my house. Picked blackberries in my garden, made tomato juice from the harvest. Got bred. Meanwhile, i think the process of selecting who is in power can affect our every day life... finding a mate to fuck with included in the mix. Wish i lived in Your neighborhood, i'd love to be Your regular cum-dump. ❤️

i don't know what else to call this thread, i have so many thoughts and feelings running through me right now. One item off the list is, i have come to think of the Republican party as exclusive. i haven't always thought that way. i used to think there was a place for LGBTQ+ people in the Republican party, but Trump has elevated the extremist component in the party to the point that i think they pose a threat to LGBTQ+ people, and to minorities in general. "Conform or be cast out." i've experienced this personally. i know first hand the thought processes and results when extremists have power. As i was leaving the gym yesterday, there was a guy in a compensatory pick up making a purposeful spectacle of himself, hot-rodding up and down the street with a large American flag flying from a pole in the bed of the truck, and an almost equal in size flag flying underneath with this: i He's not alone. i live in a town of 50k in Oregon, and there are more than a few trucks with similar displays. i did a search of who sells this sort of thing and found this particular item is "Sold Out." Check out the link, the material they sell is very informative of the approach and mentality some very vocal Trump supporters have. They're the ones that concern me mo, i could easily see this guy throwing a beer bottle at the 'faggots' walking on the street, or worse. This is how the owner explains his merchandise: Our Goals and Mission At this very moment, our first and very own Keep on Trumpin’ store is operating along the Grand Strand! We hope to serve you and your family with all of the things you could ever need! Our Goal at TSS and our Keep On Trumpin’ store is to provide you with a way to laugh at your frustrations. We should all strive to be our best selves, while still holding firm to our beliefs. Come and hang out! [think before following links] https://trumpsuperstore.com/product-category/political-flags/ Historical precedent shows people like this come out of the woodwork when a civilized government is no longer in power to hold them at bay.

Part of the power and effectiveness behind 'the big lie' approach is people often question and doubt their self before they question and doubt those they emotionally accept as authorities. To me, the number of people who were part of Trumps inner circle confirming that the emperor truly has no covering, is particularly damning. i don't think such expose' will help the cult members, but hopefully will awaken the intelligent, thinking segment. There are many who supported Trump first time around who realized at some point that he's really as crazy as he appears... but then there are others who are intelligent supporters who know full well who and how he is and hope to be among those pulling the puppet strings. i think that's particularly tricky for them, like trying to co-opt a nuclear warhead with booby traps... i can't help seeing similarities between Hitler and Trump. To me, both are loose cannon sociopath, paranoid personalities who didn't/don't hesitate to eliminate their staff if they do not feel their undying loyalty and agreement. The power brokers who would exploit Trump have to always maintain a straight face in front of a dancing, naked emperor, can't drop their guard for one second.

Cool discussion. i don't watch often, and never the professionally produced stuff. i go to Squirt (used to go to xtube) and watch the stuff recorded by real guys vs staged. For me, the pro stuff is off-putting and i always feel like i'm watching a production vs being a voyeur lol. Porn is definitely supplemental for me though. If i am regularly getting the real thing, i don't need or want it. Usually an expression of extreme hunger by the time i get to watching porn. As an aside, i got to thinking about those who prefer reading stories and wonder if the guys who go online and engage others in erotic conversation to get off (often aka "flakes") are engaging in a form of porn? Even when i watch porn, i more often than not edge to it. i don't like to masturbate to cum, it leaves the physical part of me feeling released, but the psychological side of me is disappointed. But i can edge for hours if i am doing it to be horny for a real Man. The ultimate for me is to not cum, but regularly receive a Tops orgasm, and hold off on my own so i'm always at a high pitch need/desire for His desire, cock, orgasm.... i think it's because that's the most profound bond/connection that i feel with a Man, and everything else feels watered down or compromised.

How do you know this? Not saying that you don't, i want to understand how you determine, then conclude, what most Black people care about? i confess i didn't know much about Harris until more recently. For instance, i always saw her as a Black woman and didn't realize she was of mixed race until more recently. But as mentioned in another post, things i see as a good, on a very base level, are Kamala is a woman, Black and Indian. Again, it's a very base response on my part because i think those factors will bring perspectives to the office that we have never had. i appreciate your perspective that Kamala is not relatable to you as a Black person. And i get that on some level. Tom Cruise is not relatable to me as a gay person (sorry lol, tongue in cheek). But, as i see it, even if Kamala spent most of her life trying to distance herself from being Black (not saying she has, speculating here), one thing she cannot change is how others see her. i'm thinking stuff like racial profiling. If she was alone and unknown and driving down a street, or walked into a store, i think most Americans would see a Black person and a woman? And i see both as unique perspective for the office. i have no experience of what it means to be a woman, and no experience of what it means to be Black... or both. She does. How she experienced and responded is individual, but she cannot have gotten away from being either of those through out her life, and it has affected her and given her perspectives that the primary office of the white house has never had. i wish our political system was such that more refined issues were the major considerations for voting, but as diverse as this countries population is, we only have two choices of who will sit in the seat of power. i think it's sad that it's come to this, but i'd vote for just about anyone to keep Trump and certain (not all) of his zealot supporters out of such an influential power position. i'm just as concerned about some of the people Trump brings with him as i am about him. i can easily imagine pushing through agenda that is harmful to me as an individual, and i think harmful to us as a society.

Project 2025 leaders are interviewed around the 23 mark, but the whole vid is informative with lots of interviews with former Trump administration.

Hey, just read this thread, and didn't really have a response, then went out and washed my (German) car. While i was washing it, what you and some others wrote started to work in me and i have some random thoughts/feelings to add to the mix. You self describe as a "Normaldude. Honestly i think most of use are just that, that we all have certain things in common: we want and we want to be wanted. Sure, the devil is in the details, but i think that's a common thread that binds us all together. i think you set yourself up for what at least felt like rejection. You really don't know what others were thinking about you, you just filled in the blanks because you didn't leave with what you needed/wanted. When i think about it though, you are a "normal dude" who went to an exclusive party, then wondered when you felt excluded? Berlin is a huge city with a lot of sex venues, i'd be willing to guess that there were other places you could have gone that had guys who know they are like you, who are not busy trying to be more special than everyone else. Guys who want YOU and who want You to want them. i go to the gym every other day and am in pursuit of an ass Tops wanna fuck. It's really sort of silly because not all Tops have one standard ass they wanna fuck. i'm on a meet up site and am frequently "rejected" because i don't have a big belly. i work hard to not have a big belly, and now i wanna pizza. This is going to sound very cliche, though ironically, some gay situations are cliche. Communication is a largely no verbal process. We can tell when a person exudes confidence, is happy, etc.. i think trying to be what we think someone else wants doesn't work. i think you need to be happy with yourself, and then present that person to others. i believe there just isn't one standard guy that you can become that will get you more cock or ass, that you have to be you and put yourself in situations where guys who are not trying so hard to be superior, rather, they are looking for someone like You... because in more ways than not, they are like you.

Competing for sex makes me cringe. Every now and then when i'd go to the ABS, there would sometimes be a guy who'd go around closing doors to either side of the booth i was in, trying to isolate me? Keep others away? idk, but it always felt creepy to me. To me, sex is an expression of mutual desire, not just one sided. In the above scenario, i think the top played a part too. or should have. Why didn't he clarify who he wanted? Or did he by going with you? idk, something that bothers me about a lot of guys in general is lack of communication, lack of willingness to take a risk, be vulnerable and express desire or need. i'm ridiculously obvious when i want to have sex with a guy, but if i don't get some sort of reciprocity, i move on... the desire has to be mutual for it to work for me. Cruising irl can be pretty amazing and subtle though. i've shared this a few times on BZ... i was driving down a main road in Portsmouth VA and a Guy glanced over at me as His car passed. We only made eye contact, and He pulled ahead and in front of me... i followed and He pulled into a Burger King parking lot... i followed Him into the BK and He went straight into the restroom... i followed and when i entered, He locked the door behind me, He took HIs cock out, i can't remember if He pulled my pants down or i did, but He wordlessly had His cock in my ass in short order, quickly came inside of me, put His cock back in His jeans, unlocked the door and left. Cruising communication can be pretty subtle lol, but we clearly both wanted it, it wasn't one sided. If i don't feel another guys desire, i move on and keep looking.

Trump is really good at bringing disparate groups together by sticking to three word sentences that mean different things to each group. One of his strengths is in his lack of specificity that would end up dividing the anti semites from the evangelical christians. It's really wild to realize how Trump has managed to capture both fanatical groups to support him. This is from Pew Research: "While most White Christian voters say they would vote for Trump over Biden if the election were held today, there are some differences by religious tradition. Trump draws support from: 81% of White evangelical Protestant voters...Among Christians, support for Trump is somewhat higher among regular church attenders than non-churchgoers. Overall, 62% of Christian voters who say they go to church at least once or twice a month support Trump over Biden. Among Christians who go to church less often, 55% would vote for Trump if the election were today." [think before following links] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/30/voters-views-of-trump-and-biden-differ-sharply-by-religion/ If one has never been part of Evangelical Christian culture, it might be harder to fathom their stance on Israel. Here's an informative piece on Evangelicals and Israel: "Since the outbreak of the Israel-Hamas war, American evangelicals have been especially vocal in backing Israel. Last week, 90 prominent pastors and other leaders issued “An Evangelical Statement in Support for Israel.” Citing “just war” tradition, the statement affirmed “Israel’s right and duty to defend itself against further attack.” Evangelical leaders around the country have expressed sympathy, as The New York Times reported, “for a country to which many of them feel intense spiritual, cultural and political connections.” But evangelicals’ support isn’t simply driven by a theology that compels them to love the Holy Land, detached from its convulsive domestic and global political implications. For many “Christians Zionists,” and particularly for popular evangelists with significant clout within the Republican Party, their support for Israel is rooted in its role in the supposed end times: Jesus’ return to Earth, a bloody final battle at Armageddon, and Jesus ruling the world from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. In this scenario, war is not something to be avoided, but something inevitable, desired by God, and celebratory. At the heart of Christian Zionism is not a love for Israel but rather Christian nationalism. What happens to the Jews and Palestinians is, to put it very mildly, collateral damage. Christian Zionists are anticipating, and hoping for a war to end all wars, and a resulting Christian world that they claim will vanquish evil and bring peace. Only those who accept Jesus as their savior will benefit from these events that Christian Zionists claim the Bible predicts will happen. Nonbelievers — including Jews and Muslims — will not survive them" [think before following links] https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/truth-many-evangelical-christians-support-israel-rcna121481