hntnhole

You're entirely correct, of course. We've never met (at least that I know of)*, and may never meet. Thus, the foundation of my admiration has absolutely nothing to do with physical characteristics. I don't know what you look like physically, and it doesn't matter to me. It's your devotion to your calling that is so impressive, and the fact that you're very able to translate your intellectual abilities into well-written, well-thought out text is just one more attribute. As to a Top appreciating more than merely your sexual talents, some of us find intelligence very sexy. Some of us find the commitment of a bottom hearing (and acting upon) the call to cumdumpery very exciting sexually. We Tops aren't monolithic, we're just like (well, with certain exceptions) other guys, and we find value in all kinds of qualities in others. It's the determination to be the very best we're capable of, at whatever we're called to do that counts. This is one of the reasons I love the darkrooms; we can't really see much, we can only hear the sweet music of men rutting in each other, feeling our way as we slowly move into the mix. Maybe some of the bottoms are "hot". Maybe not. Maybe some of the Tops are too, or maybe not. It doesn't matter one whit, because we're all there to Breed each other, share our Lusts together, and that's the only thing that counts. There is every reason for any Top to want to Breed you. Some may not devote any intellectual efforts into why they need to mate with your particular mind/body, but many Tops know a dedicated cumdump when they find one. There are Tops that have a little bit more going on in their minds than some others, and when we sense the dedication, commitment of a man who's embraced his calling, it turns our Cocks to granite. The old "magnet / iron filings" thing. Thanks for your thoughts. I hope this makes it clear there are mental connections that can be at least as powerful as the sexual/physical connection. *I did attend an annual trade show in Louisville every year for many years, but that was all about business; I didn't go "exploring" - merely suffered through interminable dinners with advertisers. I've also been to the Derby a couple of times. Other than that, I have very little experience with KY.

There's another way to consider the issue ... Yes, it's burning hotttt to be in the midst of a group of men sharing their Lusts together. But it's completely natural for guys like us, and there's nothing "filthy" about being who and what we are. There are plenty of other people on the planet that think what we do is "filthy", and that's their problem for not attempting to understand those different from them. I understand that you're using the word somewhat "tongue-in-cheek"; I do it too sometimes, in the sense that what others may think is filthy is commonplace for me, and I love doing those "filthy" things over and over again. I know you do too, and that's as it should be. Just know that what we do with each other is perfectly natural for us, and with ever deepening Lust. As that old (Jimmy Stewart?) movie says - It's a Wonderful Life !!

Simple. I won't go into it, since I don't think you care to read it - but .... like it or not, you're one of the special ones. Don't take this as flattery or any silly business like that. Take it as acknowledgement that men like you just don't grow on trees.

Slightly off-topic, but the limits would be the same. When I was in business, there was an editor in the LA office who always invited me for dinner at his home with he, his wife and their kid. I had a great working relationship with the father (the editor), as well as his wife. Being born virtually "gaydar-free" even I knew their son was a budding flaming queen, and he apparently sensed that I was gay. I kept a very strict rule that I never mixed business with pleasure, and I wouldn't have fucked that kid anyway - no attraction on my part at all. After several visits, I thanked the editor profusely, but asked if I could take them (the father and mother only) out to dinner (he knew how much I loved Musso & Franks), and that took care of the problem. After that, every time I was out there, we went to M&F. Oddly though, the rest of the employees didn't seem to care for it. By now, it would surprise me not one bit if that kid was hooking his Hole on Hollywood Blvd - right along with all the rest of them. The point is, there are some things (rather few, thankfully) that just don't mix well - business being first among them.

Actually, that is a not a quote of mine - it's the final sentence of the original post by the creator of this thread, opensource.

It feels pretty damn hottttt .... especially out of a well-Bred, hairy Hole ...

Of course !! I believe that when we Breed in backrooms, fuckjoints where other men can watch, appreciate our Lusts, and join in, we're reinforcing the sense of "community" - the wholeness of our sexual identity. We're with others just like ourselves, acting on our innate needs together with many other men of the same sexual requirements. It's an emotionally healthy celebration of who and what we are sexually. I remember years ago when I lived in Chicago, and the Eagle was finally closing. The barbacks would have to come into the fuckroom and clear everyone out, and as we left the bar headed for the parking lots, guys with heavily cum-crusted knees on their jeans - from sucking off Cocks all night - would come stumbling out, huge, shit-eating grins on their faces, other guys with their rumpled jeans hastily pulled up, everyone almost laughing with utter delight at our shared night of sexual abandon. It's a celebration of our Lusts - it's exhilarating to share sex with our brothers-in-the-Life.

Ahhhhh ... thanks for that input. I'd agree - it's not been a long time at all. A couple of things: 1. Given your description of the area in which you (and he, I assume) live, there's a really good chance that he's as conflicted as you are. When we live in repressive areas, or even countries, the defensive reactions are always our first when confronted with an "outside-the-normal-box" situation. He's really dedicated to his profession, he has (as far as you know) relatively little social life, he's warmed to you in what he feels is an acceptable way, he's intelligent, and knows full well how dangerous it could be to let his guard down, yet he came up with the "big bro/little bro" description. 2. I must say that 3 months may seem like a looooong time to you, but - given the strictures of where you live, it's not at all surprising to me that he's at the very least hesitant, and maybe very afraid to let his guard down. In his mind, he's got one helluva lot to lose, and has little idea of what he might have to gain with you. While I don't have knowledge of the cultural situation where you live, that can be a real inhibitor to allowing himself to even consider a "relationship" of some kind. If I were you, I'd continue to stay the course you're on, being his friend/little brother, and very gradually, as obliquely as you possibly can, allow him to understand that there's more - much more - to be had with you. No jumps into the issue, take "baby-steps". Give him all the time he needs, and after another 3 months (which would make 6) there will either be progress or there won't. If, by then, he simply cannot accept the perceived risks to his (and your) position, then gradually and gracefully begin to withdraw. I realize that you think he's everything you want, you're smitten in all kinds of ways, and it would be very tough to gradually begin to separate. If, after 6 months he simply cannot bring himself to warm to your presence in his life, then there's a difficult decision to be made. We shouldn't have to wait for ages to be appreciated. Clearly, you have a ton of attractive characteristics to offer, and you deserve to be happy, as does every other person on Earth. Sometimes, guys can be incredibly obtuse. I'm crossing my fingers that it works out for you, but there's a chance that it may not, which is hardly your fault. Be patient, but ever so slightly, obliquely, almost imperceptibly turn up the heat on this particular stove. If the butter in the pan simply won't melt after 6 months, then it's probably not going to. Give it your best shot, and keep us apprised.

What a refreshing metaphor !!! Sort of like a tachometer with a very special way of indicating rpm's !!! Reminds me of a shirt I used to have - "Bend over - I'll drive". Haven't thought of that shirt in years - I wonder if some guy lifted it a long time ago ...

Some guys are just self-centered, and it doesn't enter their heads to even consider the immutables of getting blown, particularly if they happen to be swinging major meat or are so hot they've never been in the position of having to consider others. It's really sad how some folks just refuse to enlarge, develop their minds.

Thanks, Nightwalker, for a) joining up, and b) this most interesting post. You've received superb input from a couple of the brightest men on BZ, and I hope you're finding it helpful. One thing that has not been mentioned though, is how long has this situation been going on? A year? A month? Several years? Several months? There are occasions that develop wherein a guy can achieve what he wants - but only partially - and that's enough for him. I'm referencing the "big brother/little brother" parameters. Apparently "dad/son" was too much for him, but it was fine for you. Also apparently, "big bro/little bro" is acceptable for you, but you'd rather there be a more intense quality than bro/bro. I'm reading between the lines a bit, but apparently something inspired you to actually join up so you could ask questions of perhaps more experienced men "in the life". That might be interpreted as founded in a bit of frustration at the status quo? I guess what I'm wondering is, on a "1 to 10" scale, how important is it to you that this "friendship" move forward to more than what it currently is? How long has this issue been simmering in the back of your mind? Thanks again for joining up, and offering this most interesting situation. Good luck !!

Well, considering the history of which subset of the RCC the men in long dresses and ruby slippers come from - (the College of Cardinals, if I'm not mistaken), chances are poor that any pope in history has never had his Cock sucked or his ass fucked by another Prince(ss) of the RCC. Which would answer why the really active pedophiles were moved around the global chessboard, parish to parish to parish, rather than drummed out. There'd be only a handful left - most likely Lesbians passing for men.

Some interesting responses above. The point of a darkroom, is to remove the sense of sight, thus requiring us to use other senses - hearing, touch, smell, taste - to navigate. That, in and of itself, can be arousing, and when it occurs in a darkroom filled with Breeding men, well - what could possibly be better !!! Moving slowly, sliding one's foot to avoid stepping on some guy on the floor, hands somewhat extended, feeling our way past raw Cocks rutting in raw Hole ... hard Cocks being sucked, Holes being eaten, listening to the grunts, groans of ecstatic pleasure, smelling the sweat and Sperm of loads already pumped up Holes, tasting the fruits of other men's Lusts .... It's absolutely magnetic .....

Welcome, Splendidpup. Sounds like you're taking the age issue too seriously. At 39, you're in your prime !!! Thanks for surfacing - we look forward to hearing more from you.

I don't remember exactly - but it was probably within 5,6,7 months. For context, I grew up in a large metro area in IL, bisected by a river. Everyone of a certain Northern European heritage lived on the east side, and no one else. Everyone else lived on the west side of the river, and there was precious little back & forth between the two. Hellish, right ???

Well, I love to eat a wet Hole. It's not that some particular guy's Sperm is up there - it's nothing personal at all. My interest is that there are loads in the Hole; it's the Sperm, not the source that interests me. So to the question, I don't feel the need to consume some one's Sperm, It's that the bottom is taking loads off any Cock that's inclined to Breed him. Behavior-focused (of the bottom), not which Cock has pumped load up his Hole.

At first, the Chicago suburbs for 2, 3 years - then in the city for the next 35 or so, finally to FL. My dad pussied out when it came to the "birds and the bees" chat. Instead, he took me down to the YMCA for a series of lectures by some "expert" in the field. yaaaawn ,,,,,,

Thanks, moondreamer, for your reply. I have another viewpoint to offer: If you allow your mind to open a bit further, consider the potential to widen your Breeding experience a bit. For example, when I rut in a Hole, and pump my Sperm into it, I am, in some way, "connecting" with every other Cock, and thus every guy, that has Bred that Hole previously. When I put my mouth on a well-Bred Hole, taste/consume the Sperm of the guys preceding me, I am "connecting" with those who mated with the Hole. I know it sounds a bit esoteric, but if you allow, this "connection" can be really exciting. Of course, it doesn't happen every time, but when it does it's magnificent. At every moment, it's day somewhere, and it's night somewhere, and there are thousands of men somewhere on this earth sharing their Lusts together. At the very moment I type this, and at the moment you read this, there are Holes being fucked full of sweet, fantastic, wonderful, life-giving Sperm, and tapping into that sexual energy, men in their thousands, sharing their Lusts at every moment of every hour, can be a fantastic experience - if you allow your mind to engage. Maybe you're young - maybe you're not. I've been at this sweet task for decades, and the thrill only deepens. I hope you can manage to realize that the "link" you refer to exists only in your mind. It is completely valid (for you and the other guy), but that validity need not hinge on merely two guys (you and the other guy) sharing their Lusts. The "link" can be far more than that. Best wishes, then ....

My vote goes for HAIRY .... the hairier the better: 1. The more hair surrounding the Hole the better it can retain/keep in place the Sperm it's taken. Some from one Cock may ooze out and mingle with Sperm from another Cock .... and Holehair helps hold the Sperm in place for increased eating enjoyment. 2. To my eye, at least some hair covering the cheeks is more attractive than plain skin. It's a visual treat - a reminder that it's a male - not a female - that's taking my Cock. 3. The darker-complected the bottom is, the more beautiful the Hole becomes, at least to my eye. Thick, rich, curly black Holehair is like the magnet to my "iron-filings" tongue. More, when it's been taking loads off other Cocks, it's almost hypnotizing. 4. Having no small amount of experience to back this up, I can say that the thicker/darker the Holehair is, the hotter the Hole will taste (before it's been Bred). Men with dark-colored Holehair simply have the best-tasting Holes; eating their Holes (even before they've taken loads) is like tongue-poppers. It goes without saying that once a Hole has taken the Sperm of a number of Cocks, it will taste all the better. Men of Northern European heritage have lovely Holes, as do men from anywhere on Earth, but pale-haired Holes just don't have the same taste-component that darker-complected men possess. 5. Of course, the hairier the Hole, the more likely there will be more body-hair too - which is always an attractive facet of any man.

Cripes .... just found this again. For some reason I lose track of threads - even when I click the "follow" doo-dad on the bottom. If responses don't show up in the "notifications", I seldom find it again. In any case, I well-understand the problems associated with taking the responsibility of posting content supplied by other people (members of BZ or any other source). That said, those are actual photos of BZ'er's we see - above on this page, for instance - correct ?? I guess I'd need some guy who grew up with this stuff to come over and do it - I've tried any number of times.

The question must apply to dildos? I love my Cock .... I don't want it chewed up by who-knows-who . If a sub has been trained (i.e. by a known, respected Leatherman), maaaaybe throat-abuse could be included in a scene. This sounds like mostly fap-fap-fapacious stuff to me ....

Then that's exactly what you should have, Bimarried001 !!! Every guy gets to have what he likes best, and plenty of it.

I tend to reserve the PigBreeding for Fri and Sat nights, and mentioned in a previous post a curious situation. In brief: ran into a beautifully attractive Hole in the darkroom of my favorite fuckjoint. On subsequent weekends, ran into him again, and then later, along with his partner/boyfriend/whatever. I won't go into all of that again, but I did see the p/b/w on Friday night, but not guy with a fantastic Hole. p/b/w was rutting in other Holes, as was I. No words exchanged. Last night, both of them were there, hotassboy smiled, felt my Cock while I was rutting in another Hole, said how much he wished I would do what his p/b/w wanted so he could take my Cock/load, and I just replied that sometimes things work out, sometimes they don't. Told him I still loved his ass, his Hole, but the requirements to get it were beyond my capacity to fulfill. Last night, at least I had the pleasure of eating that Hole again for a while - then he took a Cock close by mine, so I had at least the pleasure of loading the Hole I was in while I watched that beautiful, amazing Hole get fucked fuller. Apparently the p/b/w was around, but I didn't see him. It's really, really dark in there, so for all I know he could have been one or two guys away from me rutting in Holes, or maybe some other area.

I have this mental image every time I see this thread ..... There's a beauty parlor somewhere, with ladies sitting under those huge, egg-shaped hair dryers, other employees (I think they're called beauticians?) fiddling and filing on their fingernails, painting their faces, blah blah blah. And then there's a door to another room in back, where the naked boys are bent over a long, padded bench, not to get fucked, but to have their Holehair trimmed into the fashion of the day. The busy gossiping is the same as in the ladies room up front, but the subject matter is something like "oh - that 'do' makes your Hole look fat !!! Or too skinny !!! Or, that 'style' makes your Hole look so hotttttt - but the color needs adjusting to match your chest or armpits .... or contrast with them ...". Or, or, or. And in some fuckjoint, tubs, backroom, it won't make one bit of difference to the Cocks Breeding in those Holes.

Great question !!! There are several layers to begin to answer that, and here's my take: Traditionally, whichever party happens to be out of the majority at the midterms gains a majority (often in the House, less so in the Senate), because Americans are notoriously self-centered about when they vote, who for and why. Given the recession, higher costs for everything, shortages of some goods, etc, this time around the Democrats lost, but only just. More, they kept the Senate majority, and early in Dec, we'll find out by how much. This tradition, in theory, attempts to keep the Congress attuned as much as possible to the will of the citizens. Piss off the electorate, get tossed out on your (now wealthy) ass. However. This time, Mr. Trump had led so many Americans astray with his constant lies - all aimed at undermining the citizens belief in the stability of their Government - to the point that (apparently) millions of Americans jettisoned their intellect, in favor of following a huckster - the leader of the cult they've fallen into believing, and merely followed their supposed 'savior' in a vain attempt to restore him to power in the general election 2 years from now. The truly odious thing is, this segment of the electorate simply abandoned their powers of reason, in favor of believing that the aforementioned conman would uphold and defend their perceived position in the social structure of the US. Oddly, the Republicans didn't seem to notice that their field of candidates reflected an inordinate number of fools, which didn't help their cause. The traditional "out-of-power" wave didn't happen, mostly for reasons the Republicans crafted in the first place. However, thanks to a overweening sense of Entitlement on the SCOTUS, that handful of old men (and one truly misguided young woman) really pissed off millions of Americans on both the political right and the left. That, and the distaste of decent-minded American voters towards the previous President combined to prevent the Republicans from taking the Senate, and gaining only a tiny majority in the House. Basically, the hatreds stirred up by the previous President, cemented in the minds of the conservative electorate, allowed the Republicans to hang onto the House by their well-manicured fingernails. This is only an overview of what happened - I'm sure other guys will be adding their insights as well - but, in the proverbial nutshell, that's pretty much what happened. I hope you found this helpful, and this thread continues. Thanks for the question !!!