Man sentenced to 30 yrs for deliberately spreading HIV

[wood]

2 hours ago, brnbk said:

 

As far as the second charge against the gay-gentleman, time and again entrapment laws have been found to be illegal and immoral in most jurisdictions. The job of the police is not to conduct experiments to see if people will commit crimes, under inducement, but to actually prevent a crime that has begun or going to begin without their encouragement!, or stop one that is already underway. From the articles, I have read about this guy, seems like the police set up this guy up, which is illegal. They could have chosen to put him under surveillance and if found of a crime such as rape or sex with a minor, he could have been lawfully arrested but that is not what happened. Instead, he was set up: Entrapment is illegal and so even the second charge will be dropped in a truly functioning court of law. 

The big question here is, why are the police going after this guy? I looked up at the prosecuting office, Ada county in Idaho, and its demographic is unusually skewed towards one race, which is about 90% of the population, according to the 2010 census as posted on Wikipedia - Idaho Demographics . I took a look at the picture of the alleged criminal, Alexander Louie,  and asked myself, would the whites of Idaho consider this guy White or hispanic/interacial/asiatic etc. How has the demographics of this city changed. Is there a rising non white population, and is there social anxiety/hostility over this changing population of their town/city. Is this guy being targeted due to any possible prejudice?

 

I’m sorry but how is this guy a gentleman? He actively tried to have sex with someone he thought was 15, and did with someone 16. At the very least he is pedophile in my book. And I do not think this had anything to do with race. He fucked too many people in a small town, people talk, police eventually got involved. You can’t fuck kids. PERIOD, and the age of consent in Idaho is 18. The fact he was seeking people out and lying about status was simply found out during court discovery. 

[PozTalkAuthor]

1 hour ago, wood said:

These prosecutions are rare for a reason, this is not common. 
 

It has to be said however, that if you are hiv+ actively not on treatment and there are records of your diagnosis, there can be ramifications. Courts can get all of your records if they want too and there is probable cause. In this case he admitted to what he did. 
 

IMO this is NOT about the criminalization of HIV. I don’t think any person who is undetectable should ever be prosecuted for having unprotected sex. This is simply a blatant disregard for others autonomy. Take another example, if diabetes was transmissible, I would be extremely pissed if someone purposefully gave it to me. Most feel the same about HIV. 
 

There is a reason why stealthing even on here is only allowed as a fiction topic, it is illegal, and imo immoral if you are looking to infect another. Like I said before there are plenty of people that love anon sex and don’t ask questions. If you are poz and don’t want meds find them. These stories give a terrible name to the gay community and contribute hugely to HIV stigma. 

My same thought, especially about stigma (and SELF stigma).

We poz people aren't responsible of others' sexual habits, but I felt that way.

Can't talk for others but due to this kind of storytelling about spreaders, once I got it I felt really really dangerous despite doing nothing harmful.

[partying.hard]

On 5/15/2024 at 3:14 PM, Infected said:

Sexy as f@ck.  

I’d let him fuck me.  Then I’d flip him in return.

[ytowndaddybear]

On 5/15/2024 at 3:56 PM, brnbk said:

One can not lie about ones HIV status, simply because at no point can one know for sure if one is HIV poz or not, unless you are not having casual sex and none of the risk factors (recent blood transfusion, intravenous drug use etc) apply to you. 

What constitutes "truth" during a casual sexual encounter is different from standards you would use while filling out a job or medical questionnaire. A Top can claim to be a power bottom, a 55 yr old guy can claim to be "young", or a fat guy can claim to be an average or athletic guy without fearing the long arm of the law coming after them, simply because there is a different standard of truth or rather honesty (disclosure of personal information) when it comes to casual sex.    

People who have casual sex, can only be confident  upto 60% that they are neg, because any one sexual encounter can leave you infected. PREP effectiveness is somewhere between 60 to 93% according to a preeminent health journal Lancet, which does research work with real life conditions, and about 87% according to a British Study. Also PREP is not entirely risk free and some people, albeit a few, will not be able to use it safely, even though for the most part, the benefits of using PrEP is far greater than not using it. 

[think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(22)00106-2/fulltext

[think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.gov.uk/government/news/landmark-study-confirms-effectiveness-of-prep

Thus, you can still get HIV inspite of using Prep anywhere between 7 to 40%. I am not condoning the purported actions of this individual. However, there are a lot of questions to be answered in the cases here. 

Firstly, how did the police come to the conclusion  that the gentleman in question intended to spread HIV? Not taking ones medication i.e. PrEP can be due to a variety of factors including depression, costs, or a lack of medical information about PrEP. No one is required by law to take PrEP if they are HIV and having casual sex, simply because — u can be taking PrEP and still end up getting infected. 

As far as the second charge against the gay-gentleman, time and again entrapment laws have been found to be illegal and immoral in most jurisdictions. The job of the police is not to conduct experiments to see if people will commit crimes, under inducement, but to actually prevent a crime that has begun or going to begin without their encouragement!, or stop one that is already underway. From the articles, I have read about this guy, seems like the police set up this guy up, which is illegal. They could have chosen to put him under surveillance and if found of a crime such as rape or sex with a minor, he could have been lawfully arrested but that is not what happened. Instead, he was set up: Entrapment is illegal and so even the second charge will be dropped in a truly functioning court of law. 

The big question here is, why are the police going after this guy? I looked up at the prosecuting office, Ada county in Idaho, and its demographic is unusually skewed towards one race, which is about 90% of the population, according to the 2010 census as posted on Wikipedia - Idaho Demographics . I took a look at the picture of the alleged criminal, Alexander Louie,  and asked myself, would the whites of Idaho consider this guy White or hispanic/interacial/asiatic etc. How has the demographics of this city changed. Is there a rising non white population, and is there social anxiety/hostility over this changing population of their town/city. Is this guy being targeted due to any possible prejudice?

 

You seem to be blissfully unaware that the USA is an authoritarian police state, and that laws very greatly from state to state both in how they are written and how they are inforced.

[PozBearWI]

@ytowndaddybear what in your experiences leads you to conclude the USA is an authoritarian police state?  True though about laws and enforcement varying state to state.

[Bottom Jim]

This is absolutely what he deserves.Always know your status and convey it. What is most disturbing is the 15 year old boy What was he thinking?

[ellentonboy]

On 5/15/2024 at 6:14 PM, Infected said:

Sexy as f@ck.  

I know what he did is a terrible thing, seriously.  But I wonder if the Idaho Department of Corrections offers conjugal visits, because I will write to this hottie and since I am already past the state of "just being pozzed", I would be glad to make the flight to Idaho to take care of his sexual needs.  I wonder if the warden would allow a jail house weeding, and a brief honeymoon?  Maybe in solitaire?

[brnbk]

On 5/15/2024 at 6:35 PM, wood said:

I’m sorry but how is this guy a gentleman? He actively tried to have sex with someone he thought was 15, and did with someone 16. At the very least he is pedophile in my book. And I do not think this had anything to do with race. He fucked too many people in a small town, people talk, police eventually got involved. You can’t fuck kids. PERIOD, and the age of consent in Idaho is 18. The fact he was seeking people out and lying about status was simply found out during court discovery. 

 The guy is not a fiiiinee gentlemen but nonetheless Alexander Louie is a human being who deserves the benefit of doubt, and the protection of and equal treatment under law. 

Age of consent depends on where you live: in Brazil it's 14, in Idaho it's 18 and in Bahrain you must be 21 to have sex, if you are unmarried! If this person broke the law he deserves to be punished, but the police should not be creating incentives and trapping individuals in such experiments, which is what happened in his case. In law, entrapment has repeatedly proven to be unlawful, and it is wrong and immoral, as well. 

People in small towns talk, but they only talk when gay people or non whites have sex. The moral panics only occur when black men are feared to be having sex with white women — lynching in the deep south,  or oriental i.e. Chinese women are having sex with white christian men — the Page Act of 1875. These towns in the United States are built over the dead bodies of native Americans - derisively referred to as Indians by the conquering Anglo Saxon race. IMO,  people who lives in glass houses and whose morality is so suspect should not be throwing stones at other people. 

I don't believe fucking too many people in a town is a crime or wrong, and does not prove that something wrong with the individual. If anything, it just proves that the town is filled with horny folks!, oh who like to talk as well 🙂

 

Edited May 22 by brnbk
Old habbits die hard

[hntnhole]

I don't see any excuse for that guy's behavior at all.

Yeah, I'd probably fuck him in some darkroom, since I would have no way of knowing about the inhumane crime he committed, but that wouldn't infect me with his guilt. 

Let him rot in the clink. 

[BlueSaphir]

He should be responsible. He gives a bad rep for everyone with HIV. That just not justifiable. He totally deserves his crimes.