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i would have had exactly the opposite response, i would have loved Him for it, but that is wholly irrational and i know it. i know that my desire is not universal, so neither can a Top assume it's okeedokee. It's an emotional response on my part because i associate a Mans piss as an inseminating part of Him, but that's individual and He has no way of knowing that without prior exchange. Part of me wants to feel that it's okay if it's not harmful, but i know that is not true because one Mans pleasure is another mans poison. i suspect that for me it's a desire to be known in some magical way that doesn't require communication... i.e., the Top 'knows' what i need without asking. i see this emotional response on both sides (Top and bottom), where a Top will sometimes say: "you know you want it." i think there is something in many of us that wants there to be that kind of perception, understanding, but it's magical thinking. i think the type of experimentation where the Top presumes to 'know' what the bottom needs is more reasonable in relationship vs anonymous encounters, where there is agreement ahead of time that such experimentation is wanted on both sides?

When we first started discussing this topic, i saw "stealthing" as a Top unloading in a bottom without their knowledge. i saw the intent was to breed, not infect. To me, the word didn't always mean "theft," but the more i think about it, it may? What is always 'taken' is the other persons knowledge? i think of the stealth aircraft that doesn't always drop bombs, but the intent is to occupy a space without being seen, so in a way, that takes a persons sense of seeing (and thus, knowing) from them? i agree with the conclusion: "...the theft of another person's right to refuse, and the possible theft of his health [is] wrong 100% of the time, in every circumstance." With acceptance of that conclusion, i had to examine and clarify some of my own disposition (which i would guess is similar to others). There is something in my emotional nature that wants a Top to 'use' me without asking my permission. i've had long held fantasies of a Top who i sleep with and any time He needs to cum or piss, He just slides inside of me, even if i'm asleep. But the truth is, that would always involve my permission, thus knowledge, so it's not theft... though it seems to have an element of 'stealth' to me. It's the element of stealth that pushes some button inside of me. i have another totally impractical fantasy about waking up to find a man has His hand inside of me. Of course, it would probably be impossible for Him to get there without waking me, but the idea of it is an ongoing fantasy. But when i consider those fantasies, they all really involve consent, just not consent at the time it happens. When i look at it, all my fantasies involve prior knowledge and consent, it's not rape (which the thought of has no emotional appeal to me) That all seems pretty clear cut. A gray area for me is when i do anonymous sex at ABS or sex club, etc.. i always hope that a Top won't just stop with breeding me, but will also piss inside of me. For me, that loses something if He has to ask ahead of time. Not everyone wants piss in their ass, so it's not as though permission is implied. Even though it's not rationally "gray," for me it is emotionally. There is an irrational assumption on my part that the Top is caring and has no malicious intent. So it's a fantasy on my part to think that i'll get what i want/need in an anonymous hook up that involves no real discussion. It's like a sort of roulette, hoping i will win, i expose myself to loss as well, but i expect that there will be no cheaters at the casino. Rambling.

If all wore blind folds, would any be able to tell the difference between skin colors? This is a visual stimulation that excites some notion of attraction, what's the notion?

Do you understand why and can you explain it? i cannot imagine using that term in my wildest imagination. Of course, i'm sub bottom, so i may not even possess that kind of imagination lol. To me, using a racial slur is hurtful and destructive (to say the least), and i don't perceive Domination as hurtful, but deeply affectionate.

me too. my hole actually feels good after multiple cocks and loads. If i have any stray varicosities, fucking seems to take care of them, not exacerbate them. i do use lube initially and usually the cum keeps my hole wet and slippery after the initial couple of cocks. The most noteworthy thing i get is swollen, but that feels good to me, no sore. as an aside, i've also noticed my lips get swollen when i've been sucking cock a lot.

Wow, this is pretty much verbatim what i was thinking. If you gave me a glass of cum, i might gag at the thought of drinking it (though i'd put every drop in my ass, even if it's out of random, found condoms). But taking cum from a mans cock in my mouth and down my throat makes my eyes roll back in my head, not because of the taste, but because i have His essence in my mouth and, oh fuck that is just amazing.

i 've never been fucked by one of my teachers (as far as i know), but i had a German teacher who may have wanted to. i liked him. He was friendly and kind and sort of flirty. He was shorter and slender. One day while going into class, he held the door open for me and as i walked in, he swatted my ass. He was big in the Mormon church across the street, married, kids, but young. i saw him coming out of a store restroom once and suspected he'd been cruising, no reason, probably wishful thinking on my part. At that point in my life i was a horny virgin and only fantasized about being with guys (all the time), and was too religious to pursue it, but i can still feel his hand on my ass. sigh

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^^^THIS^^^ Thanks, well written!! Couple of add on comments. i think you raise one of the more important factors contributing to STI's and their increase: the social stigma of having one. We are still plagued by social norms and Victorian era residue that makes sex dirty and the resultant possible STI an "embarrassment." More people die from the flu than from these STi's, but straights haven't stopped kissing, though it's a great way to transmit the flu. If one year we tested and treated the entire population of sexually active people anonymously, we could make a serious dent in STI's. It's so easy to test, you don't really need a health clinic, just go to a lab that does the testing and if you are positive for something, take the results to a care provider and get the appropriate treatment. Most labs do walk ins.

Hmm. Which club was it? Steam or Hawks? i live in Albany OR and sometimes venture up to Pdx to go to a ABS or Hawks. i like the idea of a sex club like Hawks or Steam, but if i am being completely honest, my experiences of getting fucked at a sex club have been fair at best. i have a lot more success at ABS's. my feel at sex clubs is that Tops in particular are probably wanting to get their monies worth by not cumming right away. It may be flattery that they didn't slide in because your ass is so hot that they couldn't tempt fate by even going in because they would have cum and weren't ready yet? Idk. The last couple of times i have been to Hawks, my ass barely got any attention at all and just went around sucking guys. my feel has been that Tops there are holding out for the hottest, young piece of ass to fuck and unload in, so i have just stopped going. Funny, i typically get a lot of cock at the local ABS's, and that's usually in a short period of time. it's not as nice as the sex clubs where you can get a room and there are couches and benches and slings. i usually take cock through a GH or in a cramped little booth, but i usually get between 5-10 cocks and loads in a fairly short period of time. If i want the different atmosphere of a sex club, i got to Palm Springs a couple of times a year, always a good time there and it's only a 2 hour direct flight from Pdx.

i've had a lot of cocks and i cannot remember ever jacking while getting fucked... i have pushed more than a few Tops hands away from jacking me while getting fucked... though i haven't had to do that for a few years now because i pretty much go with total Tops who have no interest in my penis. i've only cum a few times from getting fucked, it was the best. i suspect i'd be 'happiest' locked, but not self locked, relationally locked. Locking myself is sort of like trying to fuck myself, doesn't work for me, a bottom trying to top. There's so much mental and emotional connection for me that so many Tops never read or tap into. For me, owning my orgasm is one of the better fucks a Top can give. The deep connection for me happens when He orgasms inside of me, it's like His orgasm becomes mine once it's released from His body and soul into mine. Touching myself, making myself cum interfere with that. There are ways a Top can touch my penis and make me cum that don't violate that, a 'ruined orgasm' can be amazing, or other times i've had a Top find ways to control my orgasm and make it HIs... and as a bottom, it seems that's what i want/need, His pleasure transferred to me through all the methods that can happen. There is something enormously erotic and appealing about your solution of a Top taking "perverse pleasure in his discomfort, in essence, make it part of the scene to "teach him a lesson"" that taps into this....

This pic makes me immediately start salivating and my legs spread. To me, a cock with a PA is like a leash with a collar, putting it in me is collaring me.

Can't imagine a Top or Dom or any guy who needs to use His cock going anything but commando. Seeing a guys cock through His clothes automatically makes me wanna back my ass up into Him.

i used to go commando or boxers, but then i had a Dom for awhile and He was outraged by the idea and insisted that i put my boxers in a bottom drawer of my chest and wear briefs, a jock or thong. It sort of stuck, even after our brief D/s relationship ended. He associated my underwear with being bottom and i haven't lost that association since, sort of feels like a violation to not wear something that contains my penis and accentuates my ass.

this is my slit after years of use and molding by Tops, no longer a pucker

It is possible, i've experienced it a couple of times at an ABS through a GH. Pretty sure it was the same guy both times, but i don't really know because i didn't see Him. It may have something to do with me being pretty well pacticed at retaining a guys semen or piss because i want to absorb all of it, so i am used to keeping everything in. But i also think anatomically i am just built in a way that accommodates retaining. my S curve seem to be such that it retains pretty easily, and the depth of the curve at the junction of my "second hole" seems to be enough to really keep fluid in once it's there. i have to purposely open my second hole with a long dildo while prepping to ensure i am not retaining water. The first time it happened to me, i was surprised. i honestly had no idea i had been pissed in until later at home when i was unable to retain after a few hours and realized after expelling the scent of piss. i sort of had an idea of who did it when i reconstructed it in my mind because He did it gradually. I.e., He go deep and pause momentarily while fucking me and He was long enough to get into my second hole. i even took a few cocks after Him with no leakage, so it was quite a hot surprise on several levels. i suspect what made it possible was He filled me gradually and He was long. What an awesome Top. Oh yeah, i forgot, another guy did this with me in Palm Springs. An awesome Top who came to my room and fucked me for over an hour in every conceivable position. He did a lot of slow, grinding fucking and had a really long cock. i suspect He was another One who pissed continuously in small spurts vs letting it all go at once. i can feel it when a Top just unloads a lot of piss in me at once, so i think the intermittent squirting is also part of how it's done.

i love PA's and have had them up my ass and have sucked a guy wearing one. In neither case was there any physical damage done. Getting permanent damage to my body is never a goal, though i love it when a Top 'marks' my body by purposeful molding or shaving, etc.. For instance, my asshole was purposely molded by a Top to look like a pussy slit instead of an ass pucker, and i love that. i don't relate to guys who want to objectify or be objectified. To me, being with a guy is all about getting as deep a connection with Him as possible, not the opposite that objectification accomplishes. But even with objectification, to me it doesn't make a lot of sense to damage the goods. Kind of like getting a car and breaking the headlights with a baseball bat. i guess i sort of understand even if i don't relate. i love men, Top, bottom or otherwise, and i would never support harming a wonderful faggot, that strikes me as totally wrong even though i get there are guys on both sides of this who are into it.

i agree with the advice you are getting. we guys can eroticize just about anything it seems, and when our hormones are at fever pitch, it seem's we'll consider doing just about anything. But consider, this could do permanent damage, depending on the stranger you do it with. Do you really wanna lose your ability to have take a Top up your ass, even if just for a time? i agree with others, choose a different scenario without the potential for permanent, serious harm.

i've developed a thing where when a Top is getting really excited, cock inflating at that pre orgasm point, if i wanna tease Him a bit and extend His pleasure, i'll take His cock all the way and clamp down on His joint with my teeth. i gauge His response, not hard or hurtful, but enough to get His attention... the amount of pressure is different for everyone, but the response has always been wonder and enjoyment. my teeth are a challenge only rarely on the thickest of cocks.

Hey, thank you for your continued perspective. i'm largely thinking outlaid as i write this stuff, i don't suppose to have it all figured out, and discussion with others is part of the process for me. One of the reasons i am grateful for being gay is because it's helped change my perspective some from my privileged roots. i've been arrested for being a faggot and was charged with a felony using a 100 year old 'sodomy' law. It was 1998, but in VA and even then VA still had 'vice' cops pretending to be gay and cruising at cruising sites to entrap gays. The guy was cute, did the usual gay cruising stuff and when i asked him if he wanted to fuck me, he arrested me. The attorney general at the time (Bob McDonnell) was a rabid homophobe and was out for blood. For me it was a good experience and example of how, even in a liberal era, there are people in power who want to punish and abuse different people. i can hide the fact that i am gay if i want at this point. I.e., i don't 'look gay.' People of color don't have that luxury, so your perspective is different from mine. i can listen and understand cerebrally, even feel rotten for you, but i cannot fully relate to your perspective. i think you raise a great point about fear and power. Some poiice have a history of power abuse towards gays, so i wonder if gays who have police fetish are aroused by that abuse? Do you think the fetish is 'okay?' You have the perspective of someone who has experienced being abused by authority, not as a fetish you sought out. There's a difference when you have a choice. I.e., most guys can choose to pursue this fetish, it isn't forced on them outside their volition. If the appeal is "power and fear," what is the difference between someone who chooses this fetish as a lifestyle and those who experience the power and fear as outside of having a fetish for it? How would a Jewish or Black Man experience nazis as a fetish given the real, non role play history of nazism?

i appreciate your focused answer. i think you are right that both power and fear play a big part, and may be foundational? i don't think we can group nazi's in general with other "Uniformed individuals such as Police and other Military personnel from around the world" with out qualifying the unique evil intent of nazis. nazis and their ss police force were a law unto themselves. One of their primary intents was to be cruel and terrorize. i think one of the missing links between nazi fetishism and what and who the nazis were is their intent and purpose to iradicate 'inferiors', not just use them for their pleasure (which seems to be a driving force with the fetish?). i think a lot of guys who want to be forced to do erotic things want to experience the desire and need of the guy forcing them to do those things. i think that is missing with the reality of nazism. They didn't want to connect and use 'subs', they wanted to identify and destroy groups of people. nazis weren't going after people who had a fetsh for them.

rawsatyr mentioned Cabaret. Love that film, so many layers to it. It also depicts the liberal and progressive culture in Berlin prior to the rise of hitler and nazism. It seems most societies have their polar opposites and what happens is often a result of who's in power. The movie Bent is another powerful depiction of gay experience at the hands of nazis. So many failed to escape Germany before it was to late to do so because they just couldn't fathom that the Germany they had known had changed, the new rulers empowered the already present dark and evil cultures. i appreciate the parallel you draw between religious fundamentalists and nazis. i don't think religion is such a bad thing, and that it can even do some good. Add to it the absolutist attitude of fundamentalism and it becomes pure poison. i grew up in a fundamentalist christian culture, it took me a long time to escape that torturous prison. A few years ago i read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's autobiography, a Somali woman who was raised in fundamentalist islam and later escaped and became an activist as well as a member of Dutch parliament. i was struck while reading her story how many similarities hers had to mine. They had the common thread of fundamentalism. i have no real doubt that people like V.P. pence would toss gays in prison if he had the power. After all, he believes in a god who is going to send all gays to a hell of eternal torture. People who think religious folk are good and kind have never studied the inquisition.

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It has no appeal to me. i'm a student of WWII and the era always leaves an rotten feeling in the pit of my stomach. To me, Nazi's were a group of Neanderthal (sorry to Neanderthals for the comparison) bullies. To me, nazi and hitlerism were the embodiment of evil. For me, i can shrug off those who are into devil and Sarah Palin fetish because that represents a mythical character. i give them no credit for intelligence, they were cunning, predatory beasts. Kind of the adult version of Lord of the Flies. hitler and his ilk were real, they wreaked havoc on this planet and i think it is ignorant (at best) to acknowledge or glamorize them in any positive way or by making a fetish out of them. The leather and uniforms is just making silk purse out of a sows ear. To me hitler was a impotent person with no living skills who got ahold of power, a bully. Under hitler and his type, none of us would be here to discuss this.

i just bought some new underwear. In keeping with my sub/bottom persona, they are briefs. i had a Dom at one point who forbade me to ever wear boxers or go commando and even though that relationship is long over, His desires stuck. i looked around for something cute and sexy and settled on Bsheter, they're really colorful and fun. Their video alone made me wanna buy them, check it out: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32966925945.html?spm=2114.12010612.8148356.7.574288dcoOpBkC