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i, like many (most?) of us here, am intrigued by the effects of cum on the recipient (bottom). Tops love the idea of affecting, and in a male to male way, impregnating their bottom. Bottoms crave that impregnation. As much as i want these things to be true, as a scientist i look for evidence to base my beliefs on. Unfortunately, there just haven't been a lot of studies on the physiological effects of semen in male with male sex. None that i can find :-(. Thaere have been some studies with women though, so i'm going to speculate a little. This is more along the line of untested theory: the results of a study by Gordon Gallup and Rebecca Burch. In this study, they had almost three hundred female students fill out questionnaires relating to sex and mental health. The results showed that women who always use a condom—and so are protected against the effects of proteins in the semen—score almost 50 percent higher on a scale of depression-related symptoms than women who never use condoms, which might indicate (but doesn’t prove) that substances in semen interfere with the female nervous system In essence, this study suggests that semen has anti depressant qualities. Since it was conducted in only women (sexist?), we don't really know if it would have the same effect on men. We do know that the colon is made for absorption, and other studies have shown that at lease some of the components of semen is absorbed into the blood from the colon, so there's a chance that semen has a similar effect on the male nervous system. Neural Growth Factor (NGF) is a hormone that has been isolated in human semen, it's potent and has been linked to fertility in women, but no studies have been done with its effects on men when absorbed. For the other nerdy guys among us, here's a great article pulling a bunch of studies together on "Semen arrousal". Of course, most of us don't need a study to know the potent affects of cum.

yesterday afternoon, 5 loads in pretty rapid succession at an Adult Shop through a glory hole. GH sex is awesome, but can also be a little restrictive. Even with thin plywood walls, there is thet slight barrier keeping me from getting the whole cock. One of the guys had about 4 inches, but it was probably one of the thickest cocks i have ever seen, which is saying a lot... i;ve had a lot of cock. It may have been perspective, i.e. the shortness made the thickness seem just the much thicker? In my opinion thee is no such thing as a cock that isn't beautiful though. Something else i was struck by is the growers. i've noticed that a lot of guys won't take a soft, small cock. i love the feeling of sucking a small, soft cock and feeling it grow hard and down my throat before i present my ass for breeding. After taking the loads, there was a cute guy who was only sucking cock, so i offered mine. Wow, he was getting a lot of attention, but then guys would leave before cumming and i found out why. He had no idea how to suck cock. That, or he was really good and just trying to tease and frustrate guys. He pretty much applied no friction or pressure with his mouth, it was like he didn't want cum. weird. He didn't get mine.

Wow! this is sweet, my kinda Dom. So many in the D/s community are into bullying force, and that's cool with me if that's the way they want/need it, but i don't respond well to bullies or force at all, i have an almost wild animal response. A Dom who grooms and seduces me is the most powerful thing i have ever experienced, whispering in my ear is extremely effective, can totally disarm me. i fucking love how this Dom used and almost hypnotic approach to subjugating you. Fucking awesome.

He pissed a lot, so yeah, there was plenty that came out of my hole... but i also obviously absorbed a lot. it's not a problem for me to hold a guys piss in, i suspect i have a pretty severe sigmoid curve? idk why, but holding a guys piss in me comes pretty naturally (which i love). A Guy stealth pissed in me on two occasions at an ABS and i didn't even realize it till later after getting home and evacuating... both times it was a surprise and i had to piece together in my mind who had done it. He had bred me through a glory hole and was really good at stealth pissing a pussy, did it with little pauses while fucking. He didn't piss a lot, which i think is why i didn't notice, it was spurts of piss over the course of the fuck. The first time He did it, two other guys bred me after before i left to go home and i still didn't notice. i have to be careful when cleaning out because i tend to trap water, but the added benefit is, i trap piss too.

First thing i noticed. i've never drunk piss, but have been pissed on and had it up my ass many times. For me, i value a Mans piss almost as much as His cum. For me, psychologically, it's all tied together. His body made it, i want Him to put it in me. i especially want it up the ass because it goes straight to the colon where the body absorbs most of its fluid. We all fantasize about DNA being absorbed with cum, but absorbing a Tops piss when He breeds with it is a fact. The first time a Top FB pissed in me, He just did it without asking, He knew me and we had a bond of trust (an awesome place to be). He regularly bred me anonymously, me naked and face down on my bed. This time after cumming, instead of pulling out, i felt His body relax. After a few, His cock twitched and i started to feel a warm fullness inside and realized what He was doing. i was startled and tensed up, but He knew just what to do, He held me with HIs full weight on top of me, and whispered in my ear that He was making me His piss slut. i immediately relaxed and got totally turned on. When He was done, He plugged me and locked the plug in with a chastity belt and left. He texted me several hours later to tell me where the key was, but by that time i'd absorbed quite a bit. When i urinated, the first thing i smelled was His piss, it was obvious, distinct. It's literal impregnation... obviously not a baby, but the Top is impregnating the bottom with something He made with His body, it's fucking awesome.

i've found guys are horny the day after a holiday more than the holiday itself.

re-reading this, the idea of ownership/possession has a deep appeal to me, but it would have to be right, not contrived. not just anyone could possess me, but i've felt that pull before from some guys who have managed to collar my inner_____________.

i don't know if this is actually a "fetish" or if it's just a need/desire? i'm pretty deeply focused on "impregnation," and i don't mean a fantasy of having an actual baby in me... i get the , but it's not me. my desire/need is for my Top to have a need/desire to leave some part of Himself in me, not just physical, but psychologically too. He may want to open my hole and turn it into HIs 'pussy', or plant His seed or piss or scat inside my hole, give me breasts that produce milk for Him, collar my inner pussy, The list can be long, but ultimately it's about Him having a hold on me, a sort of possession, and ideally, wanting to maintain that ownership.

Thank you... and ditto, i think you are a very cool and insightful guy! i grew up in a strict religious christian fundamentalist culture. It took me way to long to process through that mind fuck, but i did thoroughly (and i believe, completely). Since then i have learned that fundamentalism is not the sole purview of religious folk, one can be a fundamentalist anything (e.g. fundamentalist atheist, gay, muslim, etc. etc.). i think "fundamentalism" is a mindset; a disposition of absolutism. i've had enough proverbial cock down my throat to (usually) overcome the gag reflex when someone makes an unequivocal comment like: "all bottoms should___________" or "all subs are______________" or "all Tops are______________" or "Dom is__________________" ad infinitum. i do have a hypersensitivity to fundamentalism in any form though. i work hard at trying to stay aware of absolutism in myself. It seems so easy and almost natural for us (humans) to impose our perceptions and notions on everyone and turn them into universal facts of life lol. Especially the stuff that is near and dear to us. For me, plumbing the depths of reality has always been "... the hottest fucks" compared to role playing or conforming to the status quo, no matter how edgy that status may be. my idea of "mind fuck" is two guys connecting in to what is in each other, not an idea or ideal of what should be. It's self discovery and vulnerable in BOTH parties, otherwise the connection is incomplete from. From what i have experienced, the absolute rules we make are literally self defeating and thwart the very thing we crave: connecting and bonding with another person.

Okay... that info helps narrow this down for me. i don't think your issue is something requiring a urologist because you know you can cum... that's not the issue. The issue is you do not cum when getting sucked or fucking. We know it's not the condom preventing you from cumming because you fuck your husband bare. i think ALPHAboy makes a good point about friction... but the odds of you never being with someone who has provided enough friction seem low to me, unless you simply haven't had much sex with a variety of guys? I.e., you have been monogamous and are now considering an open relationship or you've always used condoms with everyone except your husband. my guess is your block is mental/emotional. So much of sex is in the mind. When i was younger and first married (to a woman) a few weeks into the marriage my wife cried and insisted i didn't care about her because she was not having an orgasm every time we had sex. The truth is, i was young and new at sex (not saying you are, not my point). It wasn't that i didn't care, i was ignorant. i.e., i married as a virgin and had not idea how to make her cum. The point is, from that day, i learned how to condition myself to not cum until she did. Some of it was physical, but for the most part i learned how to flip a switch in my mind where i simply would not orgasm until she did. Her orgasm actually ended up becoming a trigger for my own. What i am thinking is you have done something similar, sort of a reverse of pre-mature ejaculation. You have conditioned yourself not to cum when fucking or getting sucked by belieiving you cannot. i know i am oversimplifying here, i don't presume to know the details of your life or how you got to this place, but it doesn't seem physiological to me. i wonder if something like hypnosis might work to help overcome the mental barrier (if that's what it is) and help you believe you can come when fucking and getting sucked?

i think your "conflict" is culturally derived. You clearly state that your boyfriend doesn't think you're "a selfish lover or a bad bottom." But there are many in gay culture who purport "that the bottom is only there to please his man." i say "many" because even in this conversation it's obvious that this is not a universal notion in gay culture, that is really a sub-culture of the gay community that believes this way. To me it comes down to who makes the rules in your life? We grow up being taught, programmed, culturally conditioned. i grew up in an era and culture where being homosexual was both sick and sinful. It took me a long time to get free of that mind fuck, but i did. And i do mean "Free." i didn't just rebel against it because i want what i want, i really did the work to see through it and get free. i know my situation was not the same thing as what you describe, but it helps make the point: do you want to follow a sub cultures code or do you want to be true to your self? i see culture as a collection of like minded individuals. I.e., a bunch of individuals who all believe similar stuff get together and you have culture. Of course, it's not that easy or neat and clean because all cultures are made of individuals that bring variation into the mix (and often conflict from that). Personally, i'd vote for being true to self. i think there is more conflict in going against who you are than there is in going against the notions of what others think you should be.

If i understand you correctly, it's not that you cannot cum, it's that you have not cum when fucking? Is that correct? Ever? Have you always used a condom with your husband? Do you cum from masturbation or oral stimulation? Can you tell us more? Particularly is it that you cannot cum at all or you just have not cum when fucking?

i may be inferring tone you don't intend, but to me, you 'sound' like a different version of "self-perceived BETTER-gays." That essentially, you are saying what you perceive as "pro-active assertive and preferably masculine POWER BOTTOMS" are superior to "UEBER-CHAUVINIST"'s or "lazy bottoms." i find myself relating to a lot of what you say. i've come close to decking a few presumptuous guys who thought they could freely cause me pain, i shut down with bullies or have a violent response i have, to date, contained. i could go on. i like a lot of your qualities, but i don't think they are universally fundamental, just individually so. The point i want to make is i believe "liberation" is about being true to oneself, not conforming to someone else ideas of what's good or better, right or wrong. Some guys clearly like "whiney" or "clingy," and some guys adore "bullies" (i've seen plenty of guys who identify as "Dom" proudly refer to themselves as "bullies"). i don't relate to either. i feel like i fit into a narrow sub-sub culture of "sub," and there are plenty of guys who identify as "Dom" or "sub" who would tell me i'm not sub because i don't fit their particular definition. i questioned it myself until i started meeting "Dom" guys who were a fit and there was attraction, bonding and awesome, deep connection between us. To me, Dom, sub, passive, pro-active, controlling, etc., etc., are just general descriptors, that there are infinite variations and combinations. , my best connections with guys has been when i am NOT conforming, but am simply honest, open and vulnerable, which i believe is the opposite of weak though often perceived as such and someone who is my opposite is naturally attracted. It's symbiotic. Those connections could never have happened if i was trying to be, or not to be, something other than i am.

i've never really noticed, probably because i always prefer to host. my house is ideally set up for anonymous walk in breeding and i'm waiting naked and ass up on my bed. id say 90% (>1000) of my sex has been like this. i like making it easy for the Top to penetrate and breed, they don't have to be occupied with anything else, like meeting at a door, awkward conversation, etc. As the bottom, i think it's more conducive to the event to also be the host... but i understand that's just me, not a universal notion.

i hear you. i think you nail it when you note: "Good sex always needs communication." i'd add that good relationship of any kind needs communication. The original question was: "Is it wrong for a bottom to use his top's dick for their own pleasure?" i think the simple answer is: "it depends on the two individuals involved." I.e., was it wrong for that particular bottom to use that particular Top's dick for his own pleasure? i've often wondered about gay community biases and prejudices. i want to think that given our history of being labeled and compartmentalized in general terms, that we'd be really good at identifying and not doing that our selves. Not the case. It appears that ethno/egocentricity can infect any culture or person, or even the tiniest sub culture. Reality is, there are no two people alike. We need and use words for communication, but words are never the thing they (attempt to) describe and they can never perfectly describe a person or their disposition. And we know that. It's been proffered the 85% of communication is non verbal. I.e., we use a lot of visual cues and tone in communication. i think the most underused part of communication is looking and listening, seeing and hearing. Someone uses the word "Dom" or "sub" to label their self, and our reflexive response is often to put our definition on those labels. Instead of continuing to listen and look to see and hear the person, we saddle them with our own ideas of the label and try to ride what is really an imaginary horse. It may be a chicken lol. Some of the best D/s connections i have had never involved the use of words like "Dom" or "sub," but the communication was extensive and the sex (both physical and emotional) was AMAZING.

absolutely... i gain my satisfaction from my Tops... it's like His orgasm transfers from Him to me.

Ditto on the other side. i feel wrong straddling and riding a Top, it feels like to much control to me and violates something in me personally. But i understand that appeals to some, and some want that. For me it feels like to much control. Hell, i have a hard time putting a dildo in my own pussy, it feels like i am trying to top myself and it feels really fake (rolls eyes at self)

If i were you, i'd consult with a nephrologist. Not suggesting that Truvada is not a contributing factor, but it is not really clear cut since you have a history of kidney issues prior to Truvada. In addition to being a critical care nurse, i am also certified (through Cornell University) in reversing certain disease proscesses through diet. I'd estimate (conservatively) that 85% of the patients i care for in hospital have diseases that are directly related to diet (and preventable). Without knowing you specifically, i can only speak to generalities. The vast majority of people with kidney disease have it because of vascular disease. Pretty much, if you are American or have eaten the Western Diet your whole life, you have vascular disease. With kidneys, it's usually high blood pressure (HTN) or type two diabetes (DM2) that ends up harming the kidneys, NSAID's are another culprit. You are still in the early stages. If you have HTN, you need to get it under control and keep it that way, otherwise it will shred (almost literally) your nephrons (the functional part of your kidney that filters urine), you have about a million per kidney, so you can imagine how tiny and fragile they can be. Most HTN is caused by vascular disease (BTW, that's true about ED as well). The vascular disease is atherosclerosis and eventual atherostenosis resulting from plaque built up from eating animal fat. i'm way over simplifying this stuff, i cannot provide a science degree in a paragraph, but i am an evidence based professional, i can subtantiate what i proffer with evidence. I.e. i am evidence based vs authority based. I do have the science education and degree, but i don't go on my authority from that degree, but rather rely on peer reviewed study evidence. That's not perfect, but i think science is the best we have, when used properly. The only diet with evidence for reversing vascular disease is a whole food plant based diet (WFPBD) with no added oils, salt or sugar. It's hard, kinda vegan on crack lol, but it can reverse HTN, DM2 and atherosclerosis, the most common causes of kidney disease.

This is, unfortunately, true. A possible solution is to go to a doc-ina-box (aka "urgent care"), tell them the meds you are on and ask for a BMP (basic metabolic panel). That's a standard test that includes creatinine and GFR, or you can just ask for those two (may be cheaper that way, idk). It's a pretty fast process and you'll likely have what you need in a couple of days, i.e., same day doc visit and lab draw, a day or so for the results, often same day. At the hospital where i work, we get those test results in about an hour.

Not necessarily. There are a lot of HIV meds available now, different formulations effect people differently. Truvada (the med used for PreP) is a Nucleoside/nucleotide reverse transcriptase inhibitor. There are currently 10 different HIV meds in this class, Truvada is just one of them. i think there are currently eight different classes of HIV meds and in most cases, each class has several available that are similar but different and thus may produce side effects in some, but not others. Integrase Inhibitors were a big advance, there are currently four different drugs in that class. Then there are meds that combine classes ("Multiclass") that take meds from a couple of classes and combine them into a single dose. HIV treatment always includes drugs from a couple of classes or a multi class med. That's how the virus has been brought under control, it's essentially a one/two punch vs just hitting it at in just one place. Here is an accurate resource on the topic: https://www.healthline.com/health/hiv-aids/medications-list

Thank's for your input... as a medical professional, i know long term use of urethral inserts are a UTI waiting to happen. If a company made one with silver, it might work (silver resists bacterial growth). At the hospital where i work, we give cranberry extract to patients who have catheters in, that also helps reist infection, Is that avatar pic of you? That looks similar to the second cage we've been discussing. If that's you, do you have any issues with pressure wounds wearing that long term? That was the only issue i had wearing the first cage. The process of cramming the whole penis into a "micro" confined space makes for pressure. i was surprised to see the skin on the tip of my penis pushing through the hole for the urethral insert. Am guessing there would be a similar issue with the second cage, the penis pushing between the bars on the cage and eventually causing pressure wounds...

The first one has a urethral insert too, but i have not yet used it. It's pretty large in diameter if one is not used to having something in their urethra. It's about an inch long, but hollowed out stainless steel. The hollow 'plug' cannot be inserted through the hole, so it has to be assembled before putting it on. i can see how it would keep the penis alinned in the cage, but the length extends beyond the cage by almost half, so inserted it seems it would be a fairly aggressive internal part of the cage, not just for urinating. Still pretty wide open and my concern with this one as well is it's wide open to bacteria.

i'm kinda envious of some of you guys who got started earlier... i had crushes on boys when i was 7, so i likely would have responded well. i got my very first load at age 27. i was deeply religious and married in a fundamentalist christian culture, i knew in wanted a guy badly, but was suppressing myself. i went to San Pedro in L.A. one weekend to work on a missionary ship, to help restore it. After working all day, my roommate, "Skip" came in late. i pretended to be asleep, the berth was very dark, only light from a port hole, could only see shadows. He was only about 5 feet away, and i was straining to see Him. For hours He made sighs and sounds, and looked like He had His cock in His hand, but was impossible to know for sure in the dark. After hours, a lifetime of need and desire took control and i went over to His bunk, He wordlessly offered me His cock and i took it into my mouth and sucked Him off, but He pretended to be asleep and just rolled over after He came. He was gone when i woke up the next morning. i was in love lol and wanted to talk, He was nowhere to be found. i didn't tell my wife, but ended up separating from my wife as a result and moved to VA. When in Virginia Beach, i was walking the boardwalk and a cute guy (Andrew Lee Burton, "Andy") cruised me. He took me to His house and we started kissing and touching and we got naked. i almost immediately straddled Him and tried putting His cock in me. i'd never been fucked, but i'd been putting things in my ass since i was a kid dreaming of cock. He laughed and said "hold on a minute" and ran down stairs and returned with Vaseline hand lotion, lubed and fucked me. He was my first breed. i've prolly had thousands of guys, but those are the only names i remember... my first.

Are you taking other meds in addition to PreP? Even over the counter (NSAIDS are cleared by the kidneys). Definitely talk with your healthcare provider, though that isn't a huge bump (it's a .07 bump on the creatinine, not 5... a 5 point bump would take your GFR under 15 and into accute renal failure. Your GFR was lowish before the PreP, so it seems like you may already have some kidney injury prior to taking PreP. Be a good idea to have a Doc, or a pharmacist, review your med list... make sure you list everything, including over the counter stuff. Could be a combination, could be dehydration, but does need attention.

Ah babe, i think you are over thinking it when you think you say it "...feels like I failed the Top by spoiling his expectation of enjoying a long fuck...." my experience from when i was married is that orgasm control is in the mind (i trained myself never to cum before my wife). Of course, i'm gay and a sub bottom, so that may have added to my ability to control myself lol. my point is i think these guys were very turned on mentally and emotionally, not just physically, and that triggered them. Yep, i'd say it's a compliment ;-). i'd be willing to bet that if you get repeat fucks with these guys, if they normally take longer, you'll get a longer fuck eventually. To me, it's never a fail when a Top cums.