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If that's the case, it's truly sad. I think we need actual interaction with other humans, regardless of the purpose. There are clubs/organizations for all kinds of interests for a reason. We need to experience each other, interact with each other, and not just sexually. Shut away in our own little existence can easily turn us into disagreeable, inward-looking people. Attempting to "live" via the ether, is ultimately not fulfilling. It's Kinda Basic, as you so aptly point out.

Actually, I don't think the grammar schools teach reading much anymore, and they certainly don't teach writing very much. Maybe we (as a society) don't depend on physically reading / writing all that much anymore .... except places out in the ether ... like, well ... you get the drift.

Add me to that mix .... at one time, I drove over to Rockford regularly, and there was a particularly filthy gh joint just W of Elgin by 10, 15 miles .... on rte. 20, if I recall correctly. Wouldn't it be cool if we "knew" each other - however briefly - at one time long past?

Well, I know perfectly well that I lived in a very active city for most of my life, and then moved to another (smaller) one. I can't speak for the situation of when the bars/bookstores open presently in Chgo, but when I lived there, they opened in the early afternoon, particularly the bars/fuckjoints in and around boystown. The tubs was open 24/7*. True, the "heavy-duty" type places here in Ft. L (i.e. Slammer) don't open until early evening, and then only Wed through Sunday nights, but Ramrod opens around noon here. That doesn't mean the joint is full - not by any means - but it's at least open. By mid-afternoon there are plenty of cars parked over there. *At one time Mans Country fielded a little "band", and I was keyboard. When acts were booked in from the coasts (remember Manhattan Transfer?) I'd often have to re-work** charts, since MC didn't provide a full complement of instrumentalists, and went over there to receive the charts for re-working in the late mornings, then head upstairs to the Music Hall to do the score reductions. There would always be guys sleeping on those huge, whole-body pillows (infested with Gawd-alone knows what) in the Music Hall, and always at least a handful of guys fucking each other. **i.e. reduce the scores to keyboard-only

and on a second "side note", I've noticed that around here too, and I have zero idea why they do that. It doesn't bother me - at least they don't paint their Holes - but I don't find it appealing. Maybe they just don't want to bother with cleaning their fingernails?

That must make me Gen W !!!!!!!!!!! 😁

LOL ... Well said !!! All the frustrations expressed seem to point to the answer being a return to meeting guys in-the-flesh, sitting on a barstool a few feet away, leaning against a wall a few feet away, like everyone did a few years ago. I know every guy can't just pick up and move to someplace with a lot of action, but the "in-person" cruising is missing, and there's no way on earth any apps can make up for the lack of real, actual, in-the-flesh, human contact. Even in the tiniest burg, there must be someplace where guys can meet, even if just for some conversation before going to one guy's place to fuck. There have always been gay men, and they've always figured out places to fuck each other - without relying on fuck apps. We don't want to turn into mere extensions of the ether, do we ....

I agree that none of these guys seem "dyed-in-the-wool' het. More, I'll bet some of them have already gone farther with another guy than just a kiss. btw .... does anyone know what the age-to-alphabet rules are?

Agreed. At the very least, it puts limits on the depth of the relationship on the part of the cheater. As you point out, most of us are wired to share sex with a lot of men. That truth should always be factored into any (m2m) relationship.

Given who the two most recently elected Senators are, I'm daring to hope that Georgia goes blue in the Presidential election again too. Maybe I'm just another nut-job optimist. Then again ..... it's possible 😁

Not "stupid" at all, BlindRawFucker ... To me, they're a statement that the guy has considered his needs, and accepted the possible results. That takes courage, which is something not every guy possesses. With the current state of the medical arts, hiv is no longer an automatic death sentence. I don't have one, but I have nothing against guys that do. To your #5, I think it would attract some, and scare some (if they're not on PrEP).

The potential problem appears to be on the State and local level. Apparently there are many "plants' in the system of certification already in place, which could create a lot of mischief. That said, if I've heard about that potential problem, the Feds have too, and are diligently working to root the phonies out well before Nov rolls around. Given the avarice of the two principal problems on the SCOTUS (and their rancid wives), I wish some kind of very threatening action could be taken against them before the election. It might disincline them to be so cavalier about who they think they are, if the electoral issues got to that point. Also apparently, this Project 2025 has been in the works for a long time, and the sheer, brazen-ness of that guy who runs it publicly bragging about it, might be the kick in the pants the State/Fed officials need to pull that weed up by the roots. XX = crossed fingers.

...... where do I start ..... First, I see you've read the book I sent you* .... "1,001 insults for all occasions" .... had several belly-laughs reading your exposition. I agree with everything you posited, and in spades. I think, given the recent successes of the Harris campaign, former President Bone-Spurs senses, with that special instinct fraudsters seem to possess, that the jig is up, the jailhouse doors are creaking open. But there's no where he can run to this time (other than - oh - maybe an extended vaca to his "loverboy" in N. Korea). Granted, nothing's done until it's actually done, but things are looking pretty dismal for His Corpulence. And that clownish Veep isn't doing him any good either. It's way too early for a chorus of Happy Days are Here Again, but the band is starting to warm up in the wings !!! Always enjoy how you build a case, item by item, and then - the coup-de-gras. *that was a joke, all the rest of you

Underlying this obvious point is the idea that those who are not Caucasian are therefore demeaned is true, if less so than decades ago. The point is, maintaining progress towards a more just, equal society. Attempting to advance Justice for any single marginalized group, while ignoring other marginalized groups is a fool's errand. Social progress is something that is best achieved across-the-board, not on a piecemeal basis. The proposals announced recently by the Harris team are not focused solely on one particular group of the underprivileged, it's focused on advancing Justice for every marginalized group. There can be no doubt by now, that the former President gives one rat's ass about anyone but himself, and staying out of the clink. If reelected, he would gladly ask the German historians for the architectural plans, rebuild the camps, and we'd be among the first to be sent there. He possess not an ounce of humanity, even in one of those fictional bone-spurs. I accept that as completely true. Tragically, many of our forbears couldn't see past their cultural blinders, and the only way to advance your particular needs is to advance Justice across the board. We all do better when we lift not only ourselves, but our fellow citizens up, shoulder each others burdens, and press forward. The Moral Arc is waaaaay too long, but it does bend towards Justice - at least as long as the hatemongers are denied power. This is the point: Citizens of good will, working to correct ancient wrongs, advancing the cause of Justice for all, are the reason we make any progress at all. When we work towards the common good, the results filter out to every group denied full equality. I understand (as well as a non-Black can) your bitterness. I have no blame to offer. But I do know that when we work together, we can advance Justice; maybe not as much as we'd like, but at least make things better than they were yesterday. Bitterness only brings regression. Positive mindsets, working together, progress for everyone, across the board.

Lots of smiles reading the replies ... To the bottoms: if there are any "requirements" you have when you're bent over in some fuckjoint, it's not only preferable, it's incumbent on you to share your limits with the Top(s) that sidle up behind you. The default position on whether to Breed or not is, the bottom wants the load fucked deep inside his ass. Thus, if any bottom has something different in mind, it needs to be shared before the Top starts in. Anything less is not only unfair, but downright rude to the Top, and utterly selfish on the part of the bottom. More, you can't hold it against the Top if all he wants is to fuck & Breed holes. To the Tops: It's entirely fair (in the fuckjoints) for you to assume that the bottom wants your load fucked up his ass. If the bottom says nothing about where to unload, that's on him. At least around here, that's the default position. Period.

We once had neighbors that lived close by. They apparently thought that my other half and I were similar to them, and shortly after moving into the 'hood, they made (social) overtures to us. The T was tall, good-looking, and a wasp through and through. He was also an officer in the local LCR's, looking down his long, thin nose at all kinds of gays for all kinds of reasons. The bottom was decent looking, but so damn vain - he thought he was so beautiful he couldn't be bothered with anyone that wasn't at least approaching his own beauty. I never thought quite so highly, but that's not the point. Those two thought they just shit crushed pineapple. Both could go on and on ad nauseum about how the "everybody fucks everybody" gays were ruining every other gay guys lives, blah blah blah. But the divorce came quick and fast, when each was discovered cheating (with outside guys). Fortunately though, soon after that debacle, one of them got transferred to another office, and they had to move away. And no, we didn't offer to help them pack. Moral: Talk is cheap. It's not what we say that counts, it's what we do that counts.

I think it's a Republikan plot !!!

That's true. There isn't a "hot" war in either of those countries either. The US has only a handful (about 70) active-service military in Taiwan. There are around 30,000 US troops stationed in South Korea, and around 30,000 stationed in various garrisons in a number of countries in the Middle East. I'm assuming that since Taiwan is separated from China by a decent chunk of the Pacific Ocean, they feel relatively safe, but they still maintain around 170,000 active military, with around 1.5 million in reserve. It could be assumed that with those kinds of numbers, the Defense Dept has assumed that Taiwan is more "secure" than S. Korea, and the 30K in the Middle East are enough to at least make Israel's enemies think twice before a substantial attack on Israel. That figure (30K) is now, of course, supplemented by the recent deployment of US aircraft carriers, troop-transports, etc, so at present there's an expanded US presence in the area. Whether it does much good or not is yet to be determined. But, last Thursday came and went - so maybe mass death can be avoided. I think the US would much rather risk losing ordinance than US lives. x = crossed fingers. We'll see, I guess.

I think the Veep debate will happen; Vance isn't as stupid as the blaring trumpet, but then who is? I won't be taking any bets that the horn will show up at the Harris debate, though. He's been so busy deprecating Harris for one reason: he knows she'll kick his corpulent ass. I just hope that the Harris campaign insists that his mic be turned off when it's her turn to speak. He'll still holler, but it won't be all that effective if his mic is turned off.

That would be "tries", a noun in plural form.

That's probably it, then ... I grew up in the Midwest, and lived there for most of my life. That said, I wasn't one of the "pull-outer's" though.

HAHAHAHAHA .... you get the Gold Star of the Day for your efforts at maintaining decency in the face of those who lack it. When I bought my tv, I had it altered before they brought it; it won't even go to the Fux channel (unless there's a good game on). At least pre-season is finally here !!!

If I hurl at that mental image, it'll be on YOU ... 😁

So where's the backup you allude to; the "proof" for all of that?

Then presumably, since there is only Harris and Trump running, you believe that he's better qualified than she is? We've recently experienced 4 years worth of his failures, limitations, lack of abilities, with a constant drumbleat of filth oozing out of his mouth, and whenever it's open. The wanna-be "man" cannot manage to run his own life competently, and we have a mountain of proof that he certainly can't run the country competently. Harris has been at the President's elbow, helping formulate one of the most successful Presidencies in modern history. Maybe you don't care for Progressive policies, which you're entitled to. The above quote is, however, just plain silly, and particularly so with no facts to base it upon. I am comfortable making the prediction that the next 4 years (a/o January) - the first Harris Administration - will be far, far and away more productive for everyone than the former President's 4 years of lies, self-centeredness, lack of achievements, incompetence, crimes and foul behavior did. I look forward to your "downvote".