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It's truly amazing how self-absorbed some guys are. How guys could be so vacant is well beyond my ability to comprehend. There's a "gay" beach on Lake Michigan over in Michigan, near Saugatuck. The only way to get there (that I ever knew of, anyway) is to walk along the public beach, with the attendant families, little kids, blah blah blah. There are signs farther up the beach saying something - I think "private property", maybe?- which was understood by everyone to mean "that's where the boys go to fuck". Plus, the boys didn't fuck on the beach (passing motorboats, sailboards, etc), we climbed the dunes and went well to the other side to fuck. I don't think it ever occurred to guys to actually fuck on the beach. We laid out towels, groups of us, and told filthy stories, laughed at silly jokes, all the usual "gay" stuff, always with a suit on, Just because we're queer doesn't mean we don't have limits of decency to adhere to.

Interesting replies .... if these replies are true, then why are they true? I would posit that the basis for much of the current unrest is attempting to maintain the depravity of White Privilege. This applies not merely in the South, but across the entire Nation. In non-Confederate (i.e. Union) states, there is hardly any question that Caucasians, despite being in the Northern states, benefitted from the obliquely received "better-than" status. Worse, it was simply accepted as the natural state of humanity. I wonder how many times I heard, growing up in the North, things like "they (meaning non-Caucasians) stay in their places, we stay in ours. As if that was some kind of equality or Justice. The point is, repression of "the other" is so deeply ingrained, it's soaked into the very dirt beneath our feet. The wheels of Justice can - under the wrong circumstances, turn backwards too, not just forward.

OR: gay relationships can evolve, if they're not based on selfish notions of "possession" by one (or both) parties. Two guys that live together, love each other, can "open up" their relationship to include anything from an occasional fuck here and there, to one becoming a happy, fulfilled cumdump, and the other becoming the Bull Breeder of great repute in town. It's a wide spectrum, but I suspect there are more of us with an open (or semi-open) relationship than a lot of us think. Love and Lust can definitely exist entwined together into one strong bond.

^ this. That's exactly why the aural quotient to a Breeding can make it a very special conjoining of the two into One. When a bottom groans with pleasure at the right moment, I know I'm giving him the best fuck I can. I don't particularly like when they lie there like a dead fish. I love the feedback when it's genuine - not so much if it's contrived. Communication generally precedes the ultimate "Connection", and both can be expressed clearly by tuning into the aural sounds of offering submission/accepting Possession. It can be soul-thrilling when it's real.

It's supposed to "just happen" - completely natural, not contrived, and a response to feeling that magical "connection" with not only the Cock, but the Man himself. That kind of music comes from deep within your soul, your Lusts, without any extraneous prompting. It's the mark of a Top's skill inducing that response, and the bottom's receptivity to repeating the acts his sexual nature requires, over and over and over again. Thanks for the response.

When it's contrived, fuck sounds are off-putting. When they're elicited by the "connection", the mating, the conjoining of men that need what the other offers, 1) merely the Cock rutting in the Hole, or 2) a deeper "mating" of two men of awareness, the bottom's "music" can rival Mozart himself. In the backrooms/fuckjoints, there are always grunts, groans of pure, Lustful pleasure, and (depending on the Top's skills), some bottoms can almost start speaking in tongues - but definitely not in the babbling usually associated with that ridiculous contrivance. So, hell yeah ... adding the aural component to a hot Breeding is always welcome, as long as it's genuine. We more experienced Tops can always tell if it's real or a phony contrivance.

If you were standing in line, waiting your turn, chances are you definitely would ...

When asked if I fuck bareback (elsewhere, other than the fuckjoints), I usually reply with my own question: "You mean there's some other way to fuck ???" In the backrooms/fuckjoints, I haven't seen a condom in ages ... every guy fucks/gets fucked raw.

I would add that, after the fall of the Batista Government, there were tons of small-business owners who felt they had worked hard to have what they had, and fled to FL, packing their industriousness right along with their undies. Small business owners (well, most business owners, for that matter) are R's mostly for financial reasons. In my short experience in FL, I find these to be quite industrious folk. While dominating the Miami area, just to the north is Broward County, the most "blue" county in the state. There are plenty of small business owners of Cuban origin here in Ft. L. too. I have no knowledge about what percentage of these people drank the Orange Jesus cool-aid, but I'm assuming there was a substantial number.

Well, that's a bit over-reactive, as I see it. You could run into anyone on the apps, whether you ever knew them or not. I also think the final phrase - while in common usage - is a bit regrettable. That's for sure. I don't see how this is much more than a tea cups worth of tempest. The former student surely recognized him, and wanted to have sex. I don't see the enormity of this event.

That doesn't matter in my book. What does, is you display a wet-spot for all to see, as you Proudly walk from or to your car ... maybe take a walk around the block just to make sure you're noticed.

In the straight life, little girls learn how to flirt, giggle, flip their wrists, all the corny mannerisms we see in the drag bars. And eventually, it gets them pregnant. In gay live, little boys learn how to play sports, race on their bikes, sneak peeks at their friend's budding Cocks, and in short order it gets them laid. And, no one actually gets pregnant. Metaphorically, certainly. Biologically, never - which encourages us to keep trying and trying and trying. However, there really is such a thing as mentally/spiritually/emotionally impregnating each other ... and when that happens, it's absolutely mind-blowing.

I don't think so, but there's often a sizable "wet spot" on my jeans. For some reason I generate a lot of Cock-Drool .... I kinda like it .....

There's a neighborhood on the far N side of Ft. L. that one of my old buddies in Chgo was interested in. He happened to come to check things out just before the Presidential election, and the area he was interested in was covered with O.J. paraphernalia. He told the realtor to get him outta there, as he wouldn't want to live there in MagaLand at all. Plus, all the older homes had been torn down, replaced by ridiculously overdesigned outrages so common in the ritzier neighborhoods; each house more architecturally insulting than the last. He wound up with a very nice place over in Wilton Manors - right in the thick of the action.

So much the better .... but any of your suggestions will do !!! Thanks.

Things do sound worse on the West Coast. I haven't seen one of those hats in a long time. There was a house several blocks SW of my 'hood with a big "Lets Go Brandon" sign on the roof (it's on a shortcut to Slammer, or I'd never have seen it), but that came down about a year ago. I suppose the owner was afraid of getting burned out. As you know, we have a Dem (and gay) mayor here in Ft.L., W.M's not only has a gay mayor, but the whole city government is either gay or g-friendly. A decent percentage of cops are also gay around here. On the other hand, it's been years since Ft.L. took a direct hit from a major hurricane, and we're about due. Since we're only a few miles S of Maga Blargo up in P.B., I suppose that Whatever is going to aim one here soon. I don't want to pull up roots again - I'll probably just ride it out until I'm outta here forever, come what may.

Sweet Hole there, LaugingGravy !!! THANKS for not shaving it !!!

Your reactions to whatever threads interest you. Every guy has opinions, thoughts, viewpoints they can share with the rest of us. We're a diverse crowd (except in that one uniting facet), and differing viewpoints are always welcome.

I'd be interested in the demographics behind this .... I know there are tons of the "R's" here in FL, but I don't see the evidence they're growing all that much. Thanks to the SCOTUS, the Disney-Debacle, other repressions, I'm not so sure they're increasing all that much in numbers. Crist was a flawed candidate anyway, so I discount his failure. Our Dancing Daughter (little Margo Rubia) outraised Val Demings exponentially (and not sufficiently funded by the DNC, which threw hundreds of thousands on R's they thought could be out-maneuvered elsewhere). We'll see how long it takes to dislodge him.

Wellllll .... he hasn't butchered millions quite yet - so maybe permanent retirement in a nice new home at RIKERS would suffice? Or maybe that lovely retirement home in San Francisco bay? As I understand it, there are plenty of hungry *real* sharks in those waters, in the event he tries to make a run (or swim) for it ....

This thread has evolved a bit .... might these remarks belong in the Politics department?

As would I. I concur with BootmanLA, in that unless we a) are educated about the past, and b) determined never to repeat the horror foisted upon the German People, there is a decent chance that history will repeat itself. How the German people - the very flower of culture - art, literature, music, engineering, on and on -were so thoroughly brainwashed is an example to the rest of the world. If it happened there, it can happen here too. The National Socialist German Worker's Party is the original name, shortened to "nazi" in colloquial German. We are now 10 months away from the 100th anniversary of that so-called "beer hall putsch" in Munich (a rather conservative city in a very conservative German State) and the parallels to events here in the US are simply stunning when we open our eyes and look. The aforementioned eventual Chancellor of that nation purposefully catered to the sense of being unfairly treated after Versailles. He manufactured lies like kids eat candy, and pried up the rocks under which ancient divisions in that populace had laid in wait, like a festering cancer that wouldn't die. He was the author of countless lies, deceits, manipulations, and managed to completely corrupt the former Weimar Republic. Does that sound like anything that's happened here in the US in the recent past? A demagogue, attempting to be elected by any means necessary, spewing every untruth he can come up with, whoremonger, draft dodger, author of filth known and still yet to be discovered, finally actually making it happen, blushing at nothing to seize power? Subsequent to the war that defeated the aggressors, the term "nazi" came into common use to describe anti-everything politicians spewing every kind of lie they could come up with, pouring gasoline on the simmering hatreds of a population. Sound familiar yet? Mr. DeSantis is now copying his political ancestor by banning books in schools that teach *real* history, at which the existing domestic public education system has failed spectacularly. He has already hosted a pseudo "torchlight parade" by a group of openly, shamelessly blunt Caucasian racists; a particularly sordid and ridiculously-effected stain upon our nation - and you think that the term "nazi" it too tough for him? I feel terrible about what happened to your family, and the millions of others of your Faith Tradition. It's the most horrific event in recent centuries, and we - the people of the world - can never allow that to happen again. The way we can prevent it however, is to recognize anti-human filth for what it is, reject it, and bend our efforts to improving the lives of everyone, as opposed to singling out certain ethnicities, faith-traditions, or any other potentially divisive groups to point the rotted finger of guilt at. Every one of us must open our eyes to what's afoot here in the US, and together we can defeat the filth - maybe even without a war. Thank you, Want my 1st cock, for your response.

I don't agree with this. "Being born a slut" is just a fantasy to justify slutty behaviour. Every guy gets to decide for himself how and why he found slutting an attractive and compelling calling in his life. I don't believe our sexual lives need to be justified to anyone other than ourselves. "Sluttines", in and of itself, is not subject to other's endorsement or condemnation, and for those that feel that compelling call, it's hardly fantasy. If a guy feels that he was born to cumdumpery, then that's entirely his call. Inborn inclinations are a fascinating subject, aren't they? I dissent, and without prejudice.

Exactly. It's a matter of getting to know one's self, accepting one's self, and celebrating who and what we were born to be.

Don't feel badly ... every one of us started with the first one. 20 is better than 19, right?