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In THIS neighborhood, that would be disastrous. There are guys cruising around all night, every night looking for sex. Occasionally I find the residue in my front yard next morning. Towards afternoon, if I have to go somewhere in the car, I have to drive very slowly at first, since every guy is staring at his phone instead of watching traffic. What the issue of preparedness means to me, is that whether Cocks come over or not is entirely dependent on him, and that issue. I know that sometimes it's just not gonna work, and that's completely ok. I wouldn't consider for one moment overriding the cumdumps physical issues - that would be totally selfish. Of course it is. More, you recognize that and structure your life accordingly. The fact is though, you have a body that isn't "designed" for cumdumpery, and any decent-minded man would understand that. There are other physical issues that must be catered to, which enables you to be so "in tune" with the Breeder that the magnificent "connection" is able to be experienced. Any Breeder with an ounce of sense would protect that ability to the enth degree. We're getting down in the weeds here, but that's a good thing. Nothing is a bed of (thornless) roses, and almost everything is open to discussion. Thanks for your response.

No. But, I absolutely LOVE pitching them.

No. I've taken every possible precaution to protect my own health, and that's about all I can do (save giving up one of the lasting pleasures of being alive). If asked, I reply honestly of course, but - asking about status in the backrooms/fuckjoints seems a bit on the "waaaay too late" side, in my opinion. Guys are gonna Breed each other regardless in those places.

Also with respect, that is something I may have not made clear. I can't think of any instance, in any environment, when I have been considered to be submissive. I have made it my business to reign in my nature for years and years, and give others the respect and consideration they deserve, but neglected to make this clear at first. In the case of taking a cumdump, it's my house, and thus I make certain rules around here. No drugs, for instance. Let's go have lunch/supper; your turn pick the place, or we can order in; whichever you'd like. Pick up your clothes off the floor or I'll throw them away (and then I'll go buy some new ones). Silly stuff like that. Thanks for making that clear.

Thanks for the response. These are negotiable issues, depending on the financial abilities of (almost certainly) the cumdump. If he's living off a 7 digit trust or LLC, then he's able to contribute. If he's working at an entry-level job in some store, then he'd pay rather little. Your point about work obligations is a good one, but assuming the relationship is of a "roommate" type, working is important in a number of ways. It's not the amount contributed, it's that something is contributed. Of course, the arrangements would take into account things like work schedules. It's really about two guys living together who have matured in their sexual behaviors, accept and revel in them, and happen to be "relationship" compatible. At the time I kept one, I was officially retired, but I did occasional "behind-the-scenes" research (in that field) for old business friends. Nothing really time-consuming, but occasionally I had a deadline to meet, or some other obligation. I also belong to a couple of non-sexual clubs. He had a particularly close Breedbuddy, and that was fine with me. Not a big deal, each guy has his own stuff to deal with, and they share a taste for a lot of sex. So, that cumdump I kept could go do whatever he wanted, or stay home and do whatever he wanted. By the same token, if I felt like hitting the fuckjoints, he could come with or not (he always did, of course), but nothing was carved in stone. And the whole point of the post was this: When disagreements do arise, the sex with other guys isn't affected, by mutual agreement. Sex with a lot of other men is baked in, right from the beginning.

I think you're reflecting more on a LeatherLife set-up than a mutually-beneficial situation based merely on sex. I didn't suggest controlling every aspect of a cumdump's life, like a Leatherman would "control" every aspect of his "claimed" boy. Think of it more as a house-mate-with-benefits, a fb relationship. I didn't mean to imply that a keeping a cumdump conflates with the protocols of the LeatherDaddy/leatherboy structures at all, and I don't think I so much as alluded to it. These are two very different kinds of relationships. The "principal benefit" would be guarantee of a lot of sex with a lot of men, for both the Top and the cumdump. That, and to avoid the error my buddy made, namely refusing sex in a pique of unhappiness over some minor infraction. The testing would be a logical, practical way to begin the relationship, so each guy understands what's what with the other guy. The "household duties" was merely an example of a potential source of disagreement, and the point was, disagreements should never be resolved via withholding sex. I would imagine that virtually every "roommate" relationship develops disagreements at some point, and that type of relationship has nothing to do with a horny Top keeping a cumdump. I regret you misunderstood. I'll end this here, since most of the rest was built upon that initial misunderstanding.

... and the old men sit around pretending to fondle their junk, telling the old women ribald stories from their youth .... I can almost hear it now .... LOL !!!

Yup .... darkrooms: the great equalizer. Nothing matters but raw Cocks needing Holes, and raw Holes needing Sperm. The rest doesn't matter at all.

I have no idea - sorry. Even sorrier that you've been through the grist mill so thoroughly. Glad you made it out the other side. Every guy is needed.

Fortunately, this is one sexual perversion that I was not born with. In Chicago, there was Foster Ave beach, which had a large (I mean, 20 x 40 maybe) growth of lilac bushes, with the ground so firmly stomped down between the bushes you would need a hammer and nail to penetrate the ground. Many years ago I would ride my bike over there (much easier to get away than if in a car), and do the dirty, but there were always plenty of other guys there too. Eventually the cops shut it down, and the action moved north one exit (off LSD) to Hollywood Ave, where it remains to this day. One of my best, old partners in Breeding lives close by, and reports on the action frequently. I did visit Hollywood beach once, but - by that time I was a bit too far down the garden path to be interested. Here in Ft.L., there's a "gay beach" called Haulover - somewhere south of the city. Apparently there's a scrub-line of bushes here and there at the high-water mark where guys fuck, but I've never been there. To my mind, beach sand and fucking just are not compatible.

It has to be. To me, an "arcade" is where you go to play pinball, (later, once they were invented) video games. A "bookstore" (what a ridiculous title to bestow on a gh joint) was a place where you had to buy "tokens" (phoney coins) to watch cheesy porn in little booths - often with a gh's cut into the walls. When the purchased time ran out, an employee would bang on the door hollering that you had to drop tokens. You could be thiiiiiiis close to shooting your load into a guy's throat/Hole through the gh, but either you stopped, fed the machine tokens, or you could get tossed out. The guy would have a bag full of tokens with him, so as to waste as little time as possible. Many of the tokens were custom-made, with the name of that particular business*, or an engraving of a hard Cock/balls on one side, and an ass on the other. Later, generic "coins" were used that would work in any "library". Also later, there were versions of the abs where you'd pay upon entering, and not bothered again. Guys could spend 15 minutes or 15 hours for the same dough. *I actually found some stashed away, and threw a handful on the street over by Ramrod, and another into the old abandoned gas station across the street where guys cruised all night long. Which gas station is now being converted to ..... wait for it ..... a restaurant !!! People sitting eating actual food, as opposed to men feeding their sexual depravities all night long.

Thanks for the replies, Ieatcumholes & NWUSHorny .... First, it could only mitigate the risks, not eliminate them. There's a chance we can catch something every single time we Breed anonymous Holes, or take anonymous loads. The point is, the risk level can be minimized by not needing to hit the fuckjoints all the time. Sure - tricks can pass shit along, and certainly will - which is why we get tested regularly, all of that. Maybe it's only a marginally less-dangerous m.o., and ancillary to the main purpose. But, it's not going to make wanton behavior even more dangerous either. When the cumdump gets an infection, it could easily be that same Cock was at a fuckjoint the night before and I rutted in the same Hole the infections Cock just Bred. Anything is possible. Given my level of risk acceptance, the "less dangerous" thing isn't a weighty variable - but it's at least something other guys might find incentivising.* Obviously a rather small issue, compared to the benefits of taking a cumdump. *fuck spellcheck ....

There are a number of advantages to taking a cumdump* as your own personal Breedboy. Do you get a thrill rutting in a Hole other Cocks have been Breeding in? Does the idea of a guy so in-love with raw Cocks that he devotes much of his time taking them; would their loads up his gut get your Cock hard and ready to Breed? Can you imagine yourself as a whoremaster, supervising a cumdump's need for many men Breeding him? How does your Cock feel, imagining that? Obviously, going out hunting for fresh Hole is exciting, and should be practiced regularly, but lately there seem to be more risks associated with our traditional "hunting grounds". Hitting the backrooms/fuckjoints is increasing as a "known" risk factor for the new covid variant, meningitis, monkeypox, as well as the usual bugs, etc. If you were to allow a cumdump to share your home, in exchange for "on-demand" sexual service, would that be worth the effort on your part? If he weren't already, you would need to have him tested for all the bugs, vacced when appropriate, all the potential mitigation in place. Depending on your preferences, fetish's, Lusts, sexual behaviors, a guy well-enabled to meet all your requirements and more could be an attractive addition to your normal routine. I'm assuming a "live-in" arrangement, since that would pay off the most, given the nature of the arrangement. Thus, there would be house rules, of course, a-la a "roommate" situation. Those would be up to you to create, using your imagination to it's utmost. For example, divvying up household duties like cooking, cleaning, shopping, etc. Bear in mind that you'd need to offer the prospective Breedboy some attractions he wants too, so in essence, it's a negotiation. I won't get into all of that here, since there's one particular pitfall that ended with a buddy splitting up with a cumdump who was - by any other measure - a decent guy. That pitfall is, never, ever use sexual Lust as a punishment. There are many attractions to this arrangement. If you have something else you need to attend to, sending your cumdump out to take loads and bring home a full, wet Hole for your enjoyment is one. Or, have him get online and round up some Cocks to Breed him while you're away doing whatever. Or, whoring him out in person to fuckbuds, fwb's, tricks, etc. Would you take pride in walking down the street with him, knowing that other men that have used him are envying you? Would you enjoy watching other men check out his ass? At the orgies, would you enjoy rutting in other Holes while your cumdump was taking loads right next to you? In other words, would it be pleasing to share your Lusts with other Tops, whether you were present and taking part or not? Would you find that an enriching addition to your sexual life? Exciting, perhaps? All "roommates" have disagreements about all kinds of things, and since a Breeder/cumdump sexual relationship is based on having a lot of sex, that should be considered to be the Untouchable Foundation of the relationship. Of course, you should like the guy, and he you. Some other common interests would be a plus too. But issues will arise, and handling those should not affect the foundation of the relationship. For example, if Dad is disappointed in something the boy didn't do - follow through on - whatever, Dad needs to figure out something the boy doesn't like to do - wash the dishes, clean the house, pull weeds, walk the dog, whatever - and use those tasks as punishment. Never ever use denial of the boy's craving for raw Cock as a punishment. Always uphold, reinforce, encourage and enable the cumdump's craving for loads up his gut: anonymous, your buddies, going to orgies, whoever/however. It's important that no matter how pissed off you get for whatever he did, you uphold and encourage his natural instincts, and make sure the issue of sex doesn't enter into other minor household issues. The whoring must be sacrosanct, without possibility of being questioned. If some orgy had been planned for Friday, and he does something to piss you off on Thursday, the orgy is attended and enjoyed, without question. The importance of that foundation is crucial to the success of the relationship, and rises above any other issue (absent any other negotiated "hard limits" of course). For context, I enjoyed this kind of arrangement for about 3 years, which ended because of life-altering reasons other than sexual ones. I loved walking down Wilton Manors Drive, and noticing other men glancing, smiling, knowing that they'd enjoyed my cumdumps Hole. At the orgies, I found it thrilling watching him take on all cummers while I rutted in other Holes next to him. Sometimes, I had something else to do and gave him a goal of taking X loads by the time I'd get back home - and when I turned the corner and saw cars in front of the house, it was crazy-making for me. Walking into the house, he'd call out something like "I'm in the sling taking loads, Daddy - just like you told me". That just turned my crank. I'd walk in there, say something like "hey, guys - hope you're enjoying his Hole" and strip then and there. More recently, I have a sometimes fb, and we got through the initial pandemic together (sexually) when everything was shut down. A while ago he met a guy, entered into a cumdump-arrangement, and made the mistake of using denial of sex as a punishment for some other issue. And now his cumdump has left because Chris used denial of sex as a punishment. There are other reasons as well maybe, but denial of sex was definitely a serious one for the cumdump. That was the foundation of their living together. If you can imagine enjoying something like a live-in cumdump, it might beat going out to the fuckjoints all the time. A live-in cumdump would mix the sexual routine up very nicely. It would be at least marginally safer, since any restrictions you'd want to impose would be easy to make. But never ever use denial of sexual wantonness as a punishment. If you made plans to take him to some orgy/tubs/ backroom/ fuckjoint for loads, and he pissed you off prior, be sure to take him there anyway, putting aside any other distractions. Enforce the rules some other way, and work the issue out while upholding/celebrating his Lusts and yours at the same time. It might turn out to be fun. I would do it again, given the right cumdump. *I'm defining this term as a guy who loves taking loads so much, he's already very willing to bend over any time, any place (well, backrooms, fuckjoints) for multiple raw Cocks/loads.

You're not kidding .... I'd call it the Holy Grail of fucking other guys.

Well, thanks for the response. I suppose I've been called an optimist exponentially more times than a pessimist. Not that it means much, but - on behalf of all those fellow-Tops who can't see past the parameters of their own Lusts, I can only apologize. After all, where would guys like me be without guys like you .... up a creek, not a Hole - that's where.

Something odd happened to me too. Usually, I look in the "notifications", and scroll through those, watching for replies from respondents I respect. One was called something like "4th of July", and when I clicked on it, a large window opened right up saying I didn't have permission to look at that topic. There was a chatbox as well, inviting me to respond. So I did, and asked why it was that I was not allowed to read anything in that thread. The answer came back "I don't know - I'd have to see a url to know". Every other time I've had a question, I send a message to one of the moderators via the personal messages (under the "other" heading, very top of the home page), and received a message back with an answer. Was that window I received legit ???

Does all of this mean no guys fucking each other? Everything is through the ether? No actual Breeding going on, in-the-flesh?

Well, when I make a misstep, then I have to apologize for it. I think every guy has the right to say what he thinks, if perhaps a bit more kid-glovish than I sometimes do. To me, that's the whole point of BZ. Frankly, I think you're a very bright man, and I always enjoy reading your thoughts. I also suspect that we come from fairly similar backgrounds, and both of us made it through the cultural mess to our sexual freedom. If that's anywhere near the truth, then I suppose I may be a Top version of you - pretty cool, huh? There was a pic (headshot) somewhere on here, and I thought geez - we look a lot alike. We probably have a lot more in common than not. Thanks for the gracious reply.

I can't say I know anything about "telegram"; this is the first I've heard of it. But I can say Thank You to rawTOP for defending his site against devolving into such a misery-laden state. BZ is - at least for me - a joyful website, where men who love Life, love living their lives on their terms, love sharing their magnificent obsessions with like-minded men can share thoughts, resources, impressions, perceptions - share all of it with our peers. It's just a complete sadness when guys can't figure out a way forward.

I agree. This is a rather common solution to a simple issue. Merely covering a bottom's Cock is clear, and as much a statement as is needed. I suppose it wouldn't actually prevent some guy from trying to get to the bottom's Cock, like a chastity device would, but - jeez - how much does it take to signal one's interest/dis-interest? A bottom in a jock tells the whole story, and at one glance.

I'm sorry you took that personally. I know you and I see some things differently, and that's fine. To each their own, right? It was the lack of ability by some to use the written word that I was commenting on, and probably a bit too sarcastically. Your posts / replies are always cogent, well-reasoned, and well composed. Please accept my apologies.

I tried DaddyHunt a while ago .... but, far too many guys like me, and very few guys looking for one. Ditched it.

Well, damn .... but - thanks, tighthole64 - for the update.

btw ..... phones are prohibited at Slammer in Ft. L. I think it has more to do with drug deals than pics being taken of the carryings on. Reportedly (and I don't know this), there are employees milling around that will kick you out if they see one being used. One more thing: the other night I was waiting for the oven to finish - got a bit carried away with the reminiscing - my apologies. Where I come from, it's called the Windy City for exactly this reason - nothing at all to do with the weather. 🤐

I don't think there are any rules specifically for darkrooms. Just the common courtesies we'd extend to anyone, anywhere. When someone gropes you, but you're aiming at someone else, a gentle hand on his is enough. The whole point of a darkroom is to remove all the stimuli that are usually present. It's definitely not kosher for one bottom on a fuckbench, waiting for a Cock, to reach over to the guy getting fucked next to him and try to yank the Cock out of the neighbor and guide it to his own Hole - and that's actually happened to me. It's definitely not kosher to fail in one's <polite cough> "preparations. A Hole full of shit can clear the whole darkroom out in one damn hurry, and it's a thoughtless, selfish thing to do. Just the common manners apply, in the darkrooms as everywhere else. Generally there's not much talking, but I don't think there's anything wrong with talking Breedshit quietly to a Hole you're fucking, or the guy who's fucking a Hole right next to you. My first experience was at the recently passed Mans Country in Chicago. Off the snackbar there was a long, narrow corridor called Pig Alley, which wasn't totally dark. You could see other guys via ambient light at each end, and more clearly the nearer either end you happened to be. This was well before hiv came along, and guys would do anything to each other they felt like doing. Wanda Lust's* room off the stage in the music hall occasionally served as a darkroom, but at her invitation only. There was also a darkroom at the first incarnation of Steamworks, over on Broadway in boystown. The name escapes me - it was bought out fairly early on and changed to Steamworks, but while it was under the first owners there was a very dark darkroom, which was always popular. While (being slim) I liked the steam room best, I hit that darkroom for a while every time I went there. Lots of sucking/fucking, groping, etc etc. In FL, some of the bars/tubs have excellent darkrooms, and depending on the hour, can be full of men rutting in each other's Holes. There are a few guest houses that still have them too. But the best one, as far as I'm concerned, is Slammer. That darkroom is quite small now, but totally dark. One navigates via braille, since there can be a guy rutting in a Hole inches from you, and you can't see anything. The moans and groans (occasionally much louder) do help indicate where the action is, but usually it's so full of guys that one has to be very careful not to trip over some guy. Hands can reach out and feel you up, and you can't even tell which guy it is. Mouths can start to suck your Cock, and you can only feel the head - can't even see it. You feel up the asses, finger-probe the Holes, and slowly slide your feet up to the Hole, so as not to kick/step on some other guy. For guys that love this kind of sex, it's 1000000000 % fan-fukkin-tastic !!! I think one of the reasons I like darkrooms so much, is they reduce all the variables to the lowest common denominator. No one knows how good-looking (or not) the other guys are, so no one cares. No one knows much of anything, other than there are men busy doing what they're driven to do. Rutting/Mating/Breeding with joyful abandon. What more can any guy ask for ..... It's all about Cock/Hole/Sperm *Wanda Lust was a famous Chicago drag queen, whose trademark was a brilliantly red wig. Stephen was one of those gentle souls who developed a superbly viperous tongue in reaction to the criticisms most D.Q.'s get accustomed to. He died in Kansas City - of all places - when he and a trick went to see a movie, someone seated behind them started in on him, Wanda turned around and verbally flamed the guy, at which point he knifed her to death. RIP, sweet boy. On a lighter note, once some guy with a really big hard Cock was lying in the middle of the empty dance floor in midday, on his back, when Wanda came out of her room by the stage. She was all dolled up, but walked over to this guy - rock-hard Cock pointing to the sky - lifted her dress and sat down in one fell swoop on this guy's Cock. That's when I learned about the "peter principal" - "take it when it's there for the taking".