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Welcome, hairyscruff. I hope you enjoy Breeding Zone as much as so many of us do. And may I point out that Hole looks delicious !!!

I don't think the actual number of loads matters all that much to Tops. All we really care about is that the Hole is already pre-lubed by other Cocks - 3, 5, 10 loads, doesn't really matter - it's the dedication to one's calling that really counts. The number of loads is merely the proof of the tasty pudding. We like to rut in other men's Sperm inside a Hole, because it's proof that the bottom absolutely loves to take raw Cocks/loads up his gut, and we want/need to be a part of that. We need cumdumps at least as much as cumdumps need us.

So I finally heard back from my old "partner in anon Breeding" back in Chicago. He reports that Jackhammer is (at present) still closed, and thus The Hole in the basement, but the rumor is it's due to reopen "soon". The corner of Clark St & Devon Ave is still worthwhile though, with Touche (a couple doors north of Jackhammer) is open, with the back-bar opening every night at 10 pm. No one fucks in the front bar, only the back bar. Steamworks, over in boystown, is open but requires proof of 2 vaccination shots. Cellblock's (also over in boystown) backbar opens Thurs through Saturday (possibly Sunday too - he didn't know for sure). 1st Saturday of the month is still Bear Night at Touche, and unless you're a Bear, you can easily get squeezed to death if they're still offering free pizza. When it's delivered, if you're less than - - oh - - 250, 300 lbs, run !!! Apparently, that's about it for backroom / group Breeding back in Chicago now. But, he also reported that bbrt is full of group sex ads, and (I'm reading between the lines here) apparently a lot of the group-sex action takes place via the apps now. So, check the various websites for more information. Thanks for your input, Shotsfired. However, Man's Country was torn down several years ago, and a new condo building installed on that Hallowed Ground. The shop at 6410 was a Leather supply/tailor last I was around, but there was a short staircase in back leading up to one of the bars. All I recall about that bar is there was sort of a patio in back, but I never saw anything more than maybe a quick blowjob back there. Of course, that was over 10 years ago ... and I didn't go there all that much. For serious Leather action, there's Chicago Hellfire Club, which (used) to have occasional "open-night" play parties, but you'd have to be invited by a member to get in. If you do go, always do what the "redvests" tell you to do - they won't put up with any silly business at all. You'll probably get one warning, and if there's a second infraction, you'll get tossed out in an eyeblink. But, they're there to make sure no one gets harmed, injured, so it's a good thing.

That does make some sense - but only if perceived in a very limited way. Denigration of someone you're about to have sex with is the tiniest step away from denigrating ones self, as you point out. Denigrating others only drags one down to the same low level as the denigrated ones. If some person (I mean anybody) feels so badly about themselves that the only way they can feel better it so degrade others, there's some fundamental problem at play, which - not being a shrink - I just don't understand. Thanks for the thoughts, as always.

Or, a bit more deeply, the level of acceptance the guy has managed to reach regarding his own confidence in himself, his understanding of who and what he is. accepting his Lusts, and acting upon that acceptance.

Slightly less fantastical, but most likely just as out of reach: Luke Broadwater, occasional commentator on MSNBC. Congressional reporter for the NYT. Wrestled in school. Married (to a woman), no kids (wouldn't it be cool if we knew why). Achingly beautiful, and almost certainly possessed of a fantastically fuckable furry ass. If we're gonna dream, might as well dream the impossible dream !!!

I too am sorry to know this. I do have a question though: how has this experience impacted your relationship with your bf? Or did you not tell him in the first place ......

Of course not. Talk is reeeal cheap .... it's the wanton behavior that counts, and not much else. If a Top wants to know if there's load up the Hole, then get down there and shove your tongue up there and find out. Don't talk about it, don't ask questions about it, just get on the floor and find out what's up there (but do give it the 'sniff-test' first, just in case ...)

So, basically you're a man who's very comfortable in his own skin, comfortable with his decisions, and not in need of everyone else's acceptance. You've carved out a productive life, you're enjoying the fruits of your labors, you're enjoying sating your Lusts, and your life is on track, just as it should be. What more can we ask of ourselves? We're two peas in a pod; at this point, I have pretty much everything I want (still no Duesenberg though), and it sounds like we're both in control of our lives, and happy with our decisions. But I still envy that fantastic SpermScoop .... 😛

Well, I am, for a couple of reasons: 1. It's just not all that enticing to get hook-ups on the apps in this burg. I don't happen to want drugs in my home, or guys that have just used, and this town is soaked in drugs. 2. Which means, by default I hit the public places far more than private homes (mine or someone else's). In the public bars/backrooms/fuckjoints I don't have a dog in the fight whether some guy is high as a kite. I'll fuck him from here to there, and then on to the next one. There's nothing but the Lust involved, and no guy flying on who-knows-what is going to pull any deleterious stunts in a public place. 3. It's clearly not conducive to achieving that "connection" I like to go on about, but it can happen in the fuckjoints. Then again, I'm not really in the market for a relationship (a-la live-in) so there's that too. I've widened my focus - a "connection" is great, but a real connection, i.e. "relationship", isn't my goal at this point. If it happens, that would be lightening striking twice, and lightning just doesn't like to do that.

I had already been living in Chicago for a number of years before hiv came along, everyone had sex (obviously, sans condoms*) with everyone else, and at the drop of a hat. It didn't amount to much more than saying something like "hi - let's fuck" in the bars. As I recall, there were plenty of guys on both sides of the issue (T & b), but - it was a long time ago too. I do remember that at the gh joints, guys would suck Cocks through the gh's, and then very carefully switch from mouth to hand, stand up, turn around, and try to "stealth" the Cock up their Hole, without the other guy knowing it. This was as hiv was racing through the community, and almost everyone was afraid to fuck raw, since guys were dropping like flies. I think one of the reasons there appears to be a dearth of Tops, is the advent and subsequent widespread use of dick-shrinking drugs. I used poppers occasionally, but I'm referencing the "hard" junk so widespread today. It just wasn't around that much, and usually associated with cocaine/needles/lighters & spoons, 'drug-dens" on the South Side**, etc. Not all that many guys were interested in drugs over sex, as I recall. I know that a lot of bottoms are complaining about a lack of Tops lately, but if a guy inclined to Top more than bottom chooses being a junkie over being a Breeder, well ..... choices are choices. *I do recall hearing about guys that had fetish-ized condoms, which - back then - seemed silly to me, and if I ever met one, I didn't know it. They were a minority within a minority though. **obviously, a mistaken, ignorant, racially-based supposition

Hello, Chris, and welcome to the site. I hope you enjoy reading the various threads, and offering your perspective as well.

I don't understand why some men seem to associate demeaning others with inflating themselves. It simply doesn't make any kind of sense. At least you do know that there are some men who value cumdumps at the highest level, and honor them for living their calling truthfully and sincerely. I suppose we could just put it down to insecure men pretending to be something other than what they are. Every guy knows that without men like you, the rest of us would be s.o.l.

Well said. I agree completely, and have utmost respect for bottoms that prep themselves thoroughly. Which is one of the reasons I very seldom allow a guy to fuck me - "precise circumstances"- describes it perfectly.

Actually, after giving this some thought I think I somewhat agree with you. Only a few years ago when I was in a backroom/fuckjoint rutting in Holes, there were usually other guys on my left doing the same, and on my right as well. Sometimes we'd compliment each other - swap Holes, talk Breedshit about how hot this Hole is, blah blah blah. As I thought about it while doing other stuff, that doesn't happen all that much anymore. I don't have any idea why, but the one extraordinary thing that has happened is covid - but that would inhibit all guys, I would think - not just Tops. I think you're right, but I don't have much of an idea why - sorry .......

Can't say I've ever used it, but - word has it there's some doo-dad somewhere on BZ that relieves us of having to wade through ridiculous, time-wasting, poorly-imagined, and even more poorly constructed nonsense. I know it's somewhere around here on the site ... I'll keep looking ....

As you have surely noticed, we have been provided a thread dedicated to LGBT Politics, in which thread this discussion is taking place. Interestingly, the owner has purposely included this area for exactly the exchange of views relating to politics, for which some of us are most grateful. Thus, if any member finds it disinteresting, spurious, not germane to his own particular interests, he can simply avoid reading it. I've done that with a couple of threads I don't care to read about, so perhaps it's something to consider. Those who are interested in the political discourse can engage, share ideas, and maybe increase their understanding, or at least learn to appreciate other men's viewpoints. No guy gets pissed off, no guy feels impugned, no guy gets defensive (and thus somewhat caustic), and we all get to enjoy that which we love most about BZ. Thank you.

What a deliciously irreverent post first thing in the morning !!! Thanks for the "a laugh a line" submission - makes my day. 😁

When Liddy Dole took over running that agency, I crossed it off my "regular" list. Only when there are large-scale disasters that call for large-scale and immediate responses do I get in touch with them anymore.

I agree completely, if the fuck is to take place in my home. That said, I almost never invite "fresh" Hole into my home; much prefer to hit the backrooms/fuckjoints and get the sweat off my brow. I need to have a really good idea of who the guy actually is before I let him come over, and even that can be tenuous.

That's for sure !!! When my life-partner of 30 years was in his final days, fortunately he had me to run interference on his behalf. We had talked any number of times about the issue of doing everything possible, as opposed to letting go, and codified all the legal directives decades earlier. Yet, when it came down to it, I had to holler at some doctor who came running into his room when all the horns started honking, and first tell her to read the charts on the door. She paid not one instant's-worth of attention, so I hollered at her - in her face - to read what's in the charts hanging on the door. This doctor froze momentarily, jerked her head towards the door, and one of her little minions ran over there and got the clipboard holding all the documentation. All she said was "he will be passing shortly - these are your last moments together" - turned on her heel and stalked out. If I hadn't been there (sleeping in a lazy-boy in the middle of the night), he would have been forced to linger even longer. As far as I'm concerned, they can shove their Hippocratic Oath waaaaay up their asses.

While this post appeared about 2 years ago, it is even more urgently apropos today. Our freedoms are not "free". They must be nurtured, cared for, just as our Democracy must. Attend gay-rights rallies. Attend demonstrations. Attend Pride events. Make your voices heard at the voting booth, particularly on Primary Day. Some of remember the days when we had to tuck "bail money" into our boot every time we went to a gay bar. The usual, same old police raid on the Stonewall Inn, over 50 years ago, which ushered in the Gay Rights Movement, was first resisted by - guess who - the Drag Queens. They were the first to throw stuff in their pocketbooks like bottles of fingernail stuff, hairbrushes, lord only knows what else, at the cops, and chased them up Christopher St. All the rights/freedoms some of us take for granted today, weren't around 50 years ago. Don't simply assume that the rights we hold today can't be taken away tomorrow. They can be taken away, and will be if the old repressions - cultural, racial, sexual - are reinstated. It's up to all decent-minded citizens to turn back the tide of hatreds welling up these past few years. Get involved. Take a stand. Join us.

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When, in the places men cruise/fuck, some guy displays political clothing, regalia, of some persuasion or another, then it is that guy who has included his mental capacities into the "mating dance". Most of us don't do that, since we're interested in matters of the flesh, not matters of the mind. Given the numbers, years, I am certain that I have fucked many men whom I would disagree with on other matters. The point is, we're not fucking each other's political perceptions, we're fucking their Holes. It's only when others purposefully display their political persuasions, un-invited to do so - and thus intentionally force that view into the "Breeding-Equation", that we ourselves are also faced with decisions irrelevant to fucking the guy. Most of us - including you, given your obvious intelligence - have "standards" in all manner of aspects in our lives. Those non-related-to-sex standards are to be left at home, not carried with us to the fuckjoints. They are irrelevant to sexual interaction. When political views (or any other, for that matter) are forced upon us (as in the original post), any man with a brain will react one way or another. It is wholly inappropriate to introduce extraneous issues into sating our Lusts, since any man of any political view can be burning hot or repellently cold. That quotient exists in the mind, alongside other perceptions such as political ones, and should stay there when the owner of that mind is cruising for sex. Thank you.

I agree. It's as though in some guys minds, there's nothing else to a man of color but his Cock/Hole. And that's the real tragedy - if we don't want to be objectified, the we should know better than to do it to others.