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I'd rather call it "affectionate reinforcement". When a bottom holds the concept of degradation* close to his heart/mind, it's often a mirror image of his true self he's actually referencing. The bottom loves submission, he loves himself for his submissive bent, loves his sexual Lusts, and - for want of a better word - calls it degrading or humiliating. A perceptive Top can either "go along" with the degrading mind-fuck, or work the sub's Lusts - whether voracious or ethereal - as a positive, fulfilling, self-realization experience rather than something degrading or humiliating. There's an old saying amongst those who structure their lives in harmony with the Leather Ethic: Don't tear a boy down, in order to rebuild him according to one's wishes, start with what is, and build a boy up to his potential. Enable every part of the innate submission, and in a positive, reinforcing manner. *I'm not referencing a classic B/d S/m scene, which requires a negotiation, all of that ...

Accepted, with the understanding that if we don't do what we can to advance equalities, we're enabling the inequalities, regardless of the source. This concept applies in general, everyday life, on websites, in the fuckjoints, everywhere. I don't think that we're all perceived as equal - far from it. That doesn't mean that it's too difficult to advance a more enlightened m.o. in our own daily lives; at the grocery store, walking down the street, in the fuckjoints, whenever the opportunity arises. Call it tilting at a windmill if you'd like, but at least we can try to make things better in however minute a way. No one would claim that we're all perceived as equal, but we can still take a stand against the inequalities of prejudice - whether in the greater population or merely in our own.

I had a tenant years ago (recently separated female, gigantic tits, in a fairly rural area N of the city) who had a female friend up the road (skinny, decrepit, impossibly homely, cunty in every possible way), and they'd drive down to the city together occasionally and hang out at a well-known "pickup" bar out on the NW side. Painted up like street whores, just laughable. The tenant was simply determined she was going to get both my other half and I in bed, and the old tarantula up the road made it crystal clear she wanted to be in on it, if it ever happened. They seemed convinced that there was a gold mine between their legs; that no male - gay/straight/inbetween - could possibly resist their vomacious advances. Long story short, buck-toothed blimp-boobs was not renewed when lease-time rolled around. After that, for a while we let buddies from the city use that place occasionally - and then we always accepted invitations if we were around.

^ This. Short, sweet, and perfectly on-point.

The way I see it, it's the TOPS responsibility to open the Hole properly. The bottom has to be willing, of course - but the delightful work is the Top's job.

A hard, raw Cock on an "experienced" Top can go a long way in making up for some lack of visual enticements. The nights are made for group Breeding. Pictures may supplant a thousand words, but no Top fucks photos.

Really .... it used to be there were more guys fucking than not .... but it was a few years ago. Behind those tents the vendors set up it was madness (meaning the dirrrrrty, good kind).

You reference "in a group setting"; Swapping Cocks is the whole point of group sex. Of course no Top would mind at all - it only makes the group scene all the hotter. I can't imagine bottoms minding either. To the "don't pull out" issue, would you mind so much if the guy rutting in your Hole pulled out and kneeled to increase the pleasure by eating it - tonguing it - savoring your Hole - before Breeding it? Since you're describing a "group setting", maybe there's already a load or three up your gut - you wouldn't mind a tongue exploring it, would you?

I disagree. We're all equal, and need each other to make a better life for ourselves. Just because one guy is a Top or Dom doesn't inherently make him "better" - it just offers him the opportunity to be more in control. Self perceptions always require an honest, straightforward reflection on identity, which some Tops seem unable to execute deeply very well. The same applies across the board to bottoms. Every guy, regardless of inclinations, needs to do the work to make himself a better sexual performer. Bottoms are not inherently "less-than"; if anything, they're inherently "more-than". Where would we Tops be without raw bottoms? To the rest, what you're asking for is common courtesy, which is hardly too much to ask. I know that some - perhaps a preponderance - of Tops have inflated notions of what "controlling the scene" actually is, and too many get away with it. That said, it sounds like someone needs a first-class TOP, and soon .... just sayin🤞

Keeping count is probably the last thing on my mind. As I see it, getting out there and celebrating the act of mating with many of my peers overcomes* any other measurement. It's the experience - getting my Cock in Holes, repeating the act over and over and over again that counts. It's all about the "connection" I sometimes go on about. *(I just couldn't bring myself to use the filthy word that came to mind - associated with card-playing, orange hair and an abject failure of humanity)

Interesting topic - Fortunately, I don't have enough experience with that other stuff to offer any thoughts on why - or even if they actually are/aren't.

and, likely himself the most. That poison has to come from somewhere ....

Plus, it's less likely the Ashamed Boys will wind up in your driveway with their ak 44's - or whatever number they're up to. Speaking of which, now that Ricky is headed off to the clink, I'll bet there are plenty of the already incarcerated that are trying desperately to get him assigned to their prison ... Ricky's got one fancy pair of lips, and they're gonna be sucking off prisondicks reeeeeal soon. That ass is almost certainly going to fetch plenty of prison-dough for his new Daddy. He's only in his mid-to-late 30's, two divorces under his belt, so there may be some kind of "confusion" in play already. He may appear to be butch as nails, but I'm betting he'll become the personal breedbitch of some hardened criminal before he even arrives at the clink. Let's cross our fingers it'll be Rikers !!

Yuk ..... the very notion makes me wanna hurl .....

Thanks, Spunkinmyarse. I used to stay at the Art Hotel (I think it was called that), just above Prinzknecht, so it was really convenient. I wonder if that dump of a hotel is still there too. It was cheap, particularly if one was willing to fuck the proprietor - which I wasn't. I think it had been a grand, old apartment building - probably pre-WWII - that escaped the bombing. The "bathroom" consisted of a portable shower w/commode in one corner of what was once a large, probably beautiful room. When the hot water ran dry, you better have been finished, since it took around half an hour to heat up a new batch. But, I couldn't have cared less - I wasn't there for those amenities in the first place.

Both of those were excellent last time I was there. Is Prinzknecht, in Fuggerstrasse, still there? That was fun too ...

This assumes we have so much as a clue who they were. We don't. They don't hand out name-tags at the fuckjoints. We pay our dough, go in and fuck anything/everything we want that want's us. The point, as I see it, is that every guy should be proactive regarding his health - regardless of whether he actually knows who's loads he's been taking or not. It's on each individual guy to take these precautions, whether previous partners or complete strangers.

Last night. Went over to Ramrod, it was deader than the proverbial doornail. No fucking = very few guys there. Drove over to Slammer, got the last legit parking place. I think I got it because I always grease the palms of the guards. Two bucks every time can go a long way. I couldn't even get into the darkroom at first, but guys were fucking each other everywhere - in the hallways, the booths, the elevated gh galleries were jammed, with more guys waiting to get a chance to get their skulls Bred. The orgy room was an absolute pigpen .... all the snowbirds have long flown the coop, leaving only the dedicated, completely devoted local pigs to run amok. The Holes were in total "competition" mode, the orgy room was so jammed I had to wait a while just to wiggle my way in there. Bottoms feeling my Cock, backing up on it while I was trying to move around a bit ... men grunting and groaning in a slow chorus of Lustful depravity ... it was mag-fukkin-nificent. Finally found a place to sit on one of the benches, enjoy the scenes of debauchery. There was a nice-looking guy directly in front of me, bent over with a hard raw Cock up his gut, and it wasn't his first of the evening. We got into a fun little chat while he was taking loads - he said he wanted mine to be next - I told him to put his mouth on it - told him how beautiful he is with a hard Cock in his mouth and Hole, taking loads. He'd pull off and tell me how much he loved hard raw Cock, I told him how much I adore cumdumps ... how beautiful he looked with raw Cock in both his holes ... made it fun waiting my turn. He was so straightforward, matter-of-fact about telling me how much he loved hard raw Cock, taking loads - sucking them off - just as it should be. There was some kind of altercation on the other side of the room - employees with flashlights looking for a pair of glasses, which they finally found. I'm guessing one guy thought he got robbed of a Cock/load, and got pissed off. When the guy fucking him finally Bred his Hole, he turned around and I got down and ate that full, wet Hole. There must have been 6,8 loads off different Cocks up there ... it was just a perfectly-Bred Hole. Stood up and shoved it in, displacing quite a bit of Sperm, and noticed he was already sucking off another Cock in front of him. I didn't want to hurry at all - this Hole was really special - so had to pull out and eat his wet Hole again for a while. When the Cock he was sucking off shot it's load, he just turned around and kissed me - the sperm in his mouth, running down his chin - it was simply fantastic. Gave him my load in just a few more thrusts, and he thanked me while bending over for another Cock. He was so straightforward about his addiction to Cock, Sperm - so proud of his hunger - eager to share his Lusts - openly talking about what so many men try to disguise. This guy is what I call a real, born-to-it cumdump ... aka relationship material.

Agreed. While the body-sculptors always get admiring glances in the fuckjoints, the Cocks getting the most Hole are the regular guys - the experienced, regular guys that love raw Hole, and act on their Lusts regularly and often.

Fuck what he "thinks" ..... he's responsible for his own sexual health, and dealing with the lesser bugs - getting on PrEP, getting tested regularly, getting them treated when they come along - is part of the deal.

Frankly, I haven't even seen a condom in the fuckjoints around here (Ft. Lauderdale) since I moved here about 13 years ago. If some bottom asked me to wrap it, I think my jaw would hit the floor, just before I said something like 'thanks anyway - have a good night' and moved to the next one.

That's true, and a real sorrow. There are so many guys that feel "trapped" out in the sticks - no where close to the fuckjoints city-dwellers are fortunate to have at hand.

and thank YOU. I'll be sure to give proper credit when I do. 😉

Spit roasting only means that more guys can get in on the action. The more guys in the clump of fucking guys, the more guys are drawn to it, want in on the action. In the fuckjoints, all it takes is one guy to offer his Cock to a bottom's mouth while getting fucked to intensify the thrill for every other guy. I'm all for it.

LOL ..... what a magnificent allegory !!! I love it .... still laughing .....