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if the goal is to "fuck [me] till i can't get up," then fucking is the foreplay for me, and the my not being able to get up is my need met, my 'orgasm'

i've had similar experience and have reached a similar conclusion about the bs nature of hookup apps. i think a big part of the issue derives from the fact that most communication is visual. Some studies place the percentage of communication that is visual at >85%. Online apps are missing the visual and tonal cues of personal contact. It seems using them handicaps us. i also think there are a lot of people who simply do not know their self. Add to that, lots of people have not acquired a skill set for communicating in writing. If you add the two together, you get (i think) a lot of the "bull shit" we experience on hookup apps. my reaction to online profiles has changed over time. Some profiles used to shock me, later my response evolved into frustration, then amusement, and now resignation. i think (guess?) that most guys are there to "hook up" in some form or another, but often have no pics, or inaccurate pics, and little to no self disclosure. Apps have even made it easy with drop down menus to choose your traits from. Yet, one finds 'profiles' with little or nothing in them. i still always wonder about those guys. Don't they realize we can't see them? That the only way we can be attracted to them is if they put their self out there? When it comes to apps, i think if sex is not going to die off in the gay community (lol, yeah, i know, it'll never happen), guys are going to have to learn about introspection and self knowledge, and then learn how to put what they find in writing.

i was 26 and the guys name was "Skip." He was also my first guy. i was suppressed and repressed because of a religious background, i knew i liked guys from childhood age. i was so ready. i was spending the weekend doing volunteer work on a Christian organization missionary hospital ship that was in port for refurbishing, Skip was one of the crew members and they had bunked me for the night in his room. The berth was very small and dark, only a little light from a port hole. He came into the room late and i pretended to be asleep. His bunk was maybe 5 feet away, but it was so dark you could only see shadows. We played a cat and mouse game for what seemed hours, moving about on our bunks making sounds and touching ourselves. Finally, i couldn't stand it any longer and went over to his bunk and he wordlessly offered me his cock. i had wanted this my whole life, so i was really needing it and i took his cock into my mouth hungrily. It didn't take him long to cum, and honestly, i probably would have loved it no matter how he tasted. The next morning i was in love, and he was gone before i woke. i wanted to talk, he pretended it never happened. And it has remained that way. As most have noted, taste changes from person to person, though there seems to be a familia, teltale taste that is common to all guys even though it varies individually. But the feel, the moment when He orgasms and His orgasm transfers to me is the most awesome thing in life.

i don't think i've seen this topic discussed, so thought i'd start a thread about gay movies or shows you've seen and liked. i have quite a few, and am fond of productions from other countries as well. Here's a few of my favorites (i have so many i love) to start off. Movies: Home at the End of the World Latter Days Bent Brokeback Mountain Series: London Spy Tales of the City Animated: Para Norman

i know, right? It seems like i am regressing into adolescence sometimes i am so guy crazy. Not just looks, attitude, demeanor. As an aside, i often do anonymous walk in breed where im lying naked face down and ass up. Not infrequently, the guy Topping me will kiss my shoulders and/or neck and that absolutely drives me wild. It's like i have a button hidden there and it makes my back arch and my ass push into Him. sigh

One of the most remarkable experiences i've had of the type you describe is driving down a busy street one day and a guy pulls up next to me. I glanced over and our eyes met and we both knew. It's almost magical. He pulled ahead and i followed him into a Burger King parking lot. And parked just as he was getting out and heading into the restaurant. I followed and went into the restroom where he was already waiting. He locked the door behind me, turned around and without a word unbuttoned my jeans, pulled them down, turned me around and bent me over. He pulled his own pants down enough to expose His cock and He slid in and bred me in short order... i can't remember if he even used spit it all happened so fast. He came pretty quickly with a deep thrust and a groan, three or four spasms and He withdrew His cock, pulled up His pants and exited with me still bent over and panting. i recovered enough to lock the door behind Him and left a few minutes later. I've had a few other experiences where i was driving and made similar kind of knowing eye contact, but never actually ended up proceeding to fuck from that lol, this was pretty unique.

That kind of behavior is incredibly bizarre to me. i've tried to figure it out and usually decide it just some closeted guy who is too afraid to actually act on their needs or desires? What really is strange to me is when the go so far as to get you address and then ghost. When at home i've gotten to the point of giving cross streets and having guys text me when they are close, that works pretty well. But at a gay resort? i would imagine that if you've gotten out of the closet enough to check into a gay resort that you're beyond the fear of hooking up, but maybe not. Idk, but flaking and ghosting doesn't happen when face to face, or even on the other side of a GH lol. It's a phenomena born out of online space.

Prior to online, one word i never used or even applied to gay hook up sex was "flake." If you're cruising where real people are, flaking just doesn't exist, a guy is either interested or not. Stuff like chatting up then ghosting didn't exist since there was no internet ether to disappear into. There was no hiding behind ten year old pictures either. i spent last week at a gay resort. A guy actually staying at the resort chatted me up, then ghosted. i couldn't quite believe i'd been ghosted at a gay resort by a guy who was only a couple of hundred feet from me, i just figured he got distracted or something. The next day he contacts me out of the blue and asks for my room number, i asked if he was coming over and he sent me a screen shot of his location. I gave him my room number and ten minutes later his response is "nice." Nice? WTF. i ask again if he is coming, and he tells me he is only looking for a bj, which we had already established. So i replied "i know, are you coming?" He replied: "resting right now." I wrote back a fairly friendly note asking him not to contact me again and questioning that he might be new at this and afraid, but to lead a person on and then back out that way was called "flaking." i was pretty shocked. Honestly, who goes to a gay resort then flakes people? i could tell by the gps locater that he was staying there. Just so weird. That couldn't have happened pool side or in the play areas.

i was at the airport waiting in line yesterday for security and there was this guy in front of me with a beautiful neck and i want to run my lips along it so badly. This happens to me all the time, standing in line behind another guy and having to contain myself, wanting so badly to kiss His neck. Same with ass or cock, seeing an awesome Mans ass or cock (albeit clothed) and dying to grope Him and just having to occupy myself otherwise. There have been times in close quarters where i've allowed myself to 'accidentally' brush up against a guy, but nothing overt. Anyone else deal with this? Sometimes i feel like a teen i'm so guy crazy (but it feels good to feel that way lol).

i feel similarly, and would expand that to culturally conditioned. Any of us who have had a relationship with a woman has experienced the differences of wiring. But i think foreplay for women goes way beyond warming up her body. As far as gay sexual relationship goes, i think we need to see our conditioned notions and assess whether or not we wanna keep them on every topic, not just foreplay. Personally, i like foreplay... and five play and six play too. i think our foreplay should probably be different to accommodate our needs and desires, not just an adoption of the 'norm.' For instance, i used to feel the urge to grope my former wife, just walking by, etc.. She didn't like that at all. Guys on the other hand? Fuck, a guy can own me if He gropes me spontaneously or when He feels the urge. i think just fucking is great. i have a long held fantasy of sleeping with a Top who whenever He has the need to cum or piss during the night, just feels the freedom to slide into my hole and piss or cum, whether i'm asleep or not. Or sitting watching tv to just walk over and stick His cock in my mouth, or bend me over while im working in the kitchen and just fuck me. lol, you get the picture. i think both Tops and bottoms would love that dynamic. But i also think there's a lot more we can explore and experience in addition to that. Mind fuck is awesome, and i guess a sort of fore play that gay guys could be enjoying as well. i don't think it's an either or situation, why not both?

Ive stayed at 3 in PS. This one was "All Worlds"

Quick PSA guys. If anyone can overdo something, it's prolly gonna be a horny guy. Please be careful, it is possible to over do poppers. "The health risks of using poppers for healthy people are considered relatively low. They are much lower than other inhaled volatile liquids, often called ‘solvents’. However, they are not always harmless. Poppers can cause poisoning which can even occasionally be fatal if you get enough into the body. This can happen easily through accidental swallowing, but inhaling poppers in very large quantities can cause overdoses too. The reason is that the chemical converts the red haemoglobin in the blood into methemoglobin, turning the blood chocolate brown. Haemoglobin is needed to deliver oxygen round the body, so the result of severe ‘methemoglobinemia’ is oxygen starvation, potentially leading to organ failure, blindness, brain damage, or in the worse cases, death." [think before following links] [think before following links] https://drugscience.org.uk/drug-information/alkyl-nitrites/#082939092157033

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Well, actually.... i devised a sort of device (i'm a nurse) where you can use a catheter and a valve with a connector that you can connect to any tubing really. insert the catheter with the valve off, insert the tubing as deep as you want into your ass and open the valve :-). i actually thought this up as a way to sleep with a Top partner, but i don't see any reason you can't use it with "self play" if you are so inclined. here's a few links on Amazon where you can get the stuff needed. [think before following links] https://www.amazon.com/HealthAndYoga-TM-Enema-Supplies-Discomfort-Free/dp/B06X3VVDL8/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1O64CKPLU4PXD&keywords=catheters+supplies&qid=1573606488&sprefix=catheters%2Caps%2C191&sr=8-1 [think before following links] https://www.amazon.com/Ugo-Catheter-Valve-Drainage-Comfortable/dp/B07DY7QK73/ref=sr_1_10?crid=1O64CKPLU4PXD&keywords=catheters+supplies&qid=1573606488&sprefix=catheters%2Caps%2C191&sr=8-10 [think before following links] https://www.amazon.com/FLIP-FLO-Catheter-Valve-Each/dp/B00V92KMMY/ref=pd_bxgy_121_img_2/138-1412371-4390129?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00V92KMMY&pd_rd_r=99280265-905d-4c5d-991d-a31032f9c88d&pd_rd_w=Dtoe5&pd_rd_wg=hXYw0&pf_rd_p=09627863-9889-4290-b90a-5e9f86682449&pf_rd_r=RKKFCMYCQ32X852769RN&psc=1&refRID=RKKFCMYCQ32X852769RN [think before following links] https://www.amazon.com/Dynarex-4956-Foley-Catheters-16FR/dp/B00VS485DQ/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvp?crid=31T7WL5IV4WPS&keywords=catheters+for+men&pd_rd_i=B00VS485DQ&pd_rd_r=9b42de16-9a6e-4e02-a301-a4340efdd795&pd_rd_w=chEzw&pd_rd_wg=yMj9A&pf_rd_p=a6d018ad-f20b-46c9-8920-433972c7d9b7&pf_rd_r=8AYMBB56M4N5222MTZQ9&qid=1573606726&s=hpc&sprefix=catheters%2Chpc%2C191

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i fucking love it, stellar idea! i don't think it's the least bit sketchy, but then i'm a long time slut, so may lack objectivity. In my experience, the easier you can make access to your ass, the more you're gonna get. Your idea is pretty perfect when it comes to easy. Anonymous is another good angle in my experience. i find there's a lot more guys who are dying to fuck but are embarrassed or shy, so making it anonymous wins the day for them (just ask the guys who have glory holes at their house, i've toyed with the idea but haven't come up with what to tell friends about the hole in the guest room bathroom door). i don't think anyone is more creative than a gay guy needing another guy. i can't count the number of cocks i've taken in public restoooms, truck stops and parks at night on picnic tables, on the middle of a bridge, a Burger King restroom from a drive by cruise... the list is endless. "Anonymous walk in" is my middle name. i'm dying to get fucked by my mail man and have written "fuck me" in the dust on the mail box. i think He may be eyeing me, but it could easily be wishful thinking. Guys will do just about anything to get some when they're horned. i've had a few guys hesitate when i give them detailed instructions on how to get into my house and into my pussy. One of the few objections is fear that they will walk into the wrong house. Easily solved, i put a note on the door that says: "this is the place, fuck me." lol

Last night. my last (and best) night of my week long vacation at a gay resort in Palm Springs. Saw a guy watching me as i went into my room, so i made eye contact and left my door ajar. He was a little ways off, so by the time He looked into my room, i was naked, face down and ass up on my bed with a jar of Elbow Grease beside me. He came in and felt up my ass and fingered it and let out a sigh, and heard Him undressing. He mounted and slid in pretty quickly and was a wonderful fucker. He fucked maybe 10 minutes before cumming, and i was pretty verbal and grateful throughout the fuck, even more so because He seemed so pleased and happy to be there. When He left, i heard Him talking to a couple of guys walking by, and a few seconds later, they were in my room. One of them fingered my hole, feeling he last Tops load and checking out my hole. He made sounds and remarks that indicated He liked the look of it. His partner got on the bed next to me and offered His cock for me to suck, and that took no coaxing. i went for it hungrily as His partner mounted and pushed His cock into me. Fuck, He was huge and i let out a yelp and sucked harder and His partner came instantly in my mouth. i recovered, and bore down and pushed into the Awesome Top inside of me, and He said: "Good boy" which is a major trigger for me, like i've been previously hypnotized or something and that turns me instantly sub. i squeezed His cock with my pussy and He laughed and exclaimed "Good boy!!" again, and He owned me. He was big and long and immediately went for my second hole and opened and was fucking it. I was going a lot of moaning and mattress biting and after a good while, He asked: "how long can you go?" i was actually a little confused by the question (fuck fog?) and didn't answer, i just squeezed His cock with my pussy and He seemed to understand and kept fucking. He went quite awhile longer and when He came, He rammed deep into my second hole (which He had masterfully opened by then) and shot while making the most beautiful groans of pleasure. i rarely feel a Tops semen when He shoots, but i felt His. He withdrew after a pretty prolonged orgasm and gave my ass a few sweet slaps and said to HIs partner: "now we can have dinner." I lay there pretty wasted for a good while, even think i fell asleep. Made the whole trip worth it.

You are, of course, right. i personally appreciate the modifiers "versatile top" or "versatile bottom," and find them helpful. And yeah, i don't get to (or want to) dictate how a guy presents himself. It's just my experience has sort of conditioned me against the term because i seem to usually (like 90% of the time) run into versatile guys who only want to get fucked. Honestly, i've even gotten to the place where i'm wary of guys who identify as top versatile. But is suspect i'm maybe one of the minority you note, and for me it's more of a emotional/mental disposition than physical. my own personal wiring needs/desires someone as obsessed with penetrating and putting Himself (not just His body) inside of another guy as i am obsessed with receiving Him. So, when i sense that is missing or variable, it doesn't awaken the receiver in me. But that doesn't mean to me there's anything wrong with being that way, those guys just don't effect me the same way. I generally end up loving them, but platonically.

As a bottom i used to sort of dread the opening of my hole. i've had a few FB's (one in particular) who's goal (unbeknownst to me at the time) was to transform my hole into a "pussy." Though we never had the D/s discussion, He was Dom lol. He changed my dread to excited acceptance once i realized what was going on. His point was to 'leave His mark on me, which for me is one of the deepest emotional sex drives i perceive in guys. i associate it with the natural drive to create, both from a Top or bottom perspective, whether one be the artist or canvas, the drive is creation? i've read a lot of comments (not necessarily on this thread) from Tops who love the look of a well used hole, like it's an affirmation of who they are and what they do (sexually), which is open, penetrate and inseminate another guy with their self. An changed, opened hole is a mark of the efforts of their kind. As a bottom, i have come to cherish my changed hole and the signatures the men i have loved have put on it and me. Fuck, does it get any better? i still occasionally run into guys on hook up sites who say they are "looking for a good tight hole." i've come to see most of those guys (not all) as the more inexperienced or occasional, maybe married to a woman, guys. "Open" is kind of a counter intuitive term; the assumption is a tight hole feels better. But what's happened to my hole is the entry is open and easily accessible, i can take a large cock with only minor initial mattress biting, but the inside of my hole is kind of puffy and swollen, especially when being used, and there is plenty of friction and contact, it's just soft, warm, wet, receptive and sorta fluffy in there vs flat and smooth and tight and resistant. i think experienced Tops know this distinction.

Here's another one... and i'll pre qualify, i say this a little tongue in cheek: "Versatile:" anyone else feel that "versatile" is just the new word for bottom lol? I know there are real and genuine versatile guys out there (carry on). i have even encountered several profiles where versatile guys are even a little defensive insisting that they are "real versatile" or "total versatile" (totally both ways?), which makes me think they too have found their word has been usurped by bottoms who, for whatever reason, don't want to identify as such.

Lmao. Yeah, i've run into those more than a few times. Re the STD/HIV test, i like to hope a lot of guys just don't update their profiles? That or there's a certain part of the hook up app population who live a generally chaste life and only come out to play annually, so that test last year is still valid (rolls eyes). And oy, the time wasters plea. If only it were as simple as that? i sometimes feel there are more catfishes's than real guys trying to actually hook up.

That's funny! Just when you thought you were part of the mainstream, someone reminds you you're not lol. Honestly, i have to explain "WS" to guys on hook up sites frequently enough to remind me it's still a 'sport' that hasn't caught on with the general gay population. In their defense "water sports" is a pretty tongue in cheek descriptor.

Ha! That's a funny point. Though, the BZ population might not qualify as a typical sampling of gay guys, i think (hope) the chasers who would find that hot are a minority and not "most" here. i think the point is valid and apart of a thread that runs through a lot of the D/s part of the community that if 'it' comes from a Dom or Top it's gotta be good lol. On the other hand, i think the freedom to express our individual predilections,that may run contrary to 'the norm', is a boon because they question the status quo. There are so many things that are accepted as normal (and any departure as abnormal). i think it's healthy to encounter something that makes us step outside, or at least question our ethnocentricity's.

Thought it might be fun to start a thread about misnomers in the gay community or on hook up sites. Here's a few that strike me as wishful thinking to start with. "SAFE ONLY:" i guess this is code for: " i want to have sex and not get an STD." It surprises me how much ignorance there is about STD's still (even with Google?). Seems to me, life isn't safe and sex is a part of life. "PNP:" i guess this one can mean different things to different people, but i think of meth. This was what inspired me to start this thread. i was at a restaurant the other day and as i parked my car i noticed a guy sort of twirling down the street flailing his hands and saying things to no one in particular. i couldn't tell if he was schizophrenic or tweaking? He was in his own little world, seemed oblivious to anyone else and i thought: "tweakers are only 'fun' from a minimum of 100 feet away."

‘complex.’ Part the meaning of that word for me is “complicated.” For me,my being ‘total bottom’ is less complicated than being ‘versatile.’ Not that I think we choose those predilections. Adding bisexual makes things more complicated too. As I read what you write, you seem versatile and it’s like the Dom/top parts of you find more expression with women and the bottom/sub/(fem?) parts of you find expression with men. A way over simplification, but looking for a framework. my feel is the seeds of who we are are already there and they are fed and grow, develop in experience? Ie, that your sub, bottom, fem attributes find expression with their counterparts in men? I think there essence has mostly always, or long, been there. u don’t think what truly is can be “permanently turned off.” my take is that experience helps us discover ‘who’ we are. I was married 31 years to a woman and my dick never had a problem getting hard. When I divorced, I wondered if I might be bi because I was so functional with my wife. I had opportunity but discovered I’m not bi lol. Over time and with self discovery, I’ve found the only thing that gets my penis erect are being treated as a bottom and/or sub. I suspect that’s just my body being true to who I am, I don’t think I’ve turned anything on or off. Btw, not making absolute claims here, just thinking out loud.