tallslenderguy

Now i'm curious. Will you describe a "chick version" of yourself that you'd fuck and possibly date?

nah. i even have a hard time using toys on myself, i'm way to bottom to fuck and breed myself. On a side note, i have found it funny how often gay couples look alike.

i wonder if Domming ever has to be "mean?" i know some guys have masochistic needs/desires and some sadist needs/desires, and i know those ofter overlap into the D/s dynamic, but i can also see S/m as separate from D/s. i guess i associate "meanness" with sadism, but i don't see it as a vital component of Dominance. i think one's definition of "mean" might further mystify this. For instance, i see some forms of humiliation as mean, and others are deeply erotic and a turn on for me. Maybe one mans "mean" is another mans "meat?" Maybe this is all individual and part of the challenge of a successful D/s connection/tethering is the Dom finding that place to tether and knowing how to do it? i suppose there are basic methods and 'rules,' but it's not the black or white process some try to make it? i've been effectively regressed by a Dom, and didn't actually put it together until recently that that is what He did. He combined progressive intensity, praise mixed with treating me as a "boy", and the end result was adoration. i guess someone looking on might have viewed how He treated me as "mean," but honestly, all i felt was affection. When i sense meanness, force or bullying, i shut down. But the way He did it, i felt anything but meanness, even though i was both humiliated and uncomfortable from gagging on His cock, eyes tearing, runny nose... i must have really looked like a kid. Your mention of "training" suggests molding, grooming to me... which i think is a power point in many, if not most, subs. Here's something with WS that a Dom wrote to me just yesterday, and i don't know if He knows it, but He collared me with this: I'd love having permanent control of your asshole. At all times there will be some of my cum or my piss inside you -- I'll be sure that you'll always have my dick-deposits deep up inside your ass, all day & all night. I own your asshole -- it's my hole to lick and suck and kiss any time I want to; my hole to fuck and drain my hairy cum-filled balls into; my ass to slide my foreskin so fucking deep into any time I want it; my toilet ass for me to take a piss in; my asshole for me to sniff while I'm feeling your ass cheeks rubbing against my face. We'd sleep with my dick up your ass and my balls resting in your ass crack. Your asshole will always have the scent of my piss and my cum and my sweat on it, Yeah, I've marked your asshole with my scent, and I'll have my dick up your ass any time and anywhere I want.

my take is this is a good example of Top/Dom wiring? i was married (to a woman) for half my life, i had religious constraints to overcome before i could be true to myself and accept being gay. We were pretty much both sub and bottom in our natures, so i was pretty sexually frustrated, but i learned the physiology of how to satisfy her sexually and understood instinctively what she needed/wanted. Controlling her body and pleasure was central to sex. She was totally not kinky, so stuff like ws weren't even a consideration, but i did get a lot of experience as a top and knew how to do it functionally even if i am not one by nature. Having top experience myself and being very drawn to the mental and emotional elements of sex along with the physical, i find myself always looking for others who want to go beyond just a quick dump and run. Dump and run is hot, i'm just an advocate for depth and variety as part of the mix. WS, to me, seems rife with opportunity to expereince the depth of our sexual natures whether we are Top or bottom or somewhere in between. When i read find91's comments, i see that He is a Top/Dom who is in touch with His own needs and wants as well as those of His partners. ^^This^^ (find91's comment) is such a hot example of where i am trying to go with this thread. i really have come to see piss and pee as very similar to cum, with some unique twists thrown in. The fact that find91 enjoys fucking a guy till he pisses himself is evidence of His need/desire to be able to control His bottom. It's also a further type of bodily function that He has taken control of from His bottom, further demonstrating His dominance. For me, something very erotic that ws can have that cum doesn't is the element of embarrassment/humiliation connected to pleasure. That's a huge mind fuck for me when a Top finds ways to evoke submission to humiliation by using pleasure. To me, that is one of the most profound demonstrations of D/s power, and i can see all sorts of ways WS can be used to do that. i love this example, turning pee into part of the orgasm.

lol, i can't believe only one person has responded to this with all the piss lovers on BZ. Maybe because it's Monday? my slutty sub side responds to piss almost as much as cum. i could see a Dom controlling His subs peeing like He controls his cumming. And there's so much potential for control of yet another bodily function that has some sweet humiliation. i can't be the only one who is into all the possibilities of this?

If it is, then You have probably many bottoms, my self among them, who actually long for a Top who will want/need and do this with their bottom fulfilling both their needs and wants in the process. i believe for every Yang there is a corresponding yin. i can imagine feeling my hole dripping as i walk because my Top has made it that way... and that's what i would think and feel, that that is my Tops artwork that He loves. fuck yeah

It's so incredible, words fail to adequately describe this for me. "Totally used [up] and open on the inside" definitely fits. A Top who wants this, it's like He's tunneling into me and making a corridor for Him to get to me. i often think of having places inside of me that are "collaring" points where a Top finds and puts His collar on me and a tether. The look of satisfaction that i see on His face is a huge parr of that collar and tether for me, His words and looks and touch can then be like pulling on the leash He has set. Having an opened hole, especially when He comments on what He has done or how He's made it into His pussy, is like putting a lock on me, locking me open to Him and my gaping hole is His access to my soul. It's fucking profound what can happen with some guys.

Some Tops are sprinters, some are marathon runners. i have some stamina as a bottom, especially when i feel a connect to my Top. A marathon fucker is probably my favorite if i were to vote, which is not to say i don't love the sprinters... i fucking do. i am more internally, emotionally fucked and bred by a marathon Top though. To me it feels like a slow purposeful assault (wrong word) on my hole, slowly a breaking down any resistance and turning my hole into a pussy, opened and sloppy where it becomes harder and harder to squeeze His cock because He's pretty much overcome me and i'm sort of pinned physically and internally subdued and owned.

i can tell (about the "powerful psychological impact) by the way you write about Him and the words you use ("womb"). To me, the most powerful Tops are the One's who alter and possess us psychologically.

i do tough my penis... a lot, but never when i'm with another guy. i use it to edge and ramp up my horniness as a bottom. i frequently go a week to ten days edging using my penis and not cumming. i do like the way it feels cumming from penis stimulation, but emotionally i don't like or want it. i still do, and am disappointed after i cum that way. A Dom/Top can (and have) manipulate that energy to control me and keep me a very horny bottom (i don't need "T" for that). i love the idea of having a Guy who locks my penis. The only time i am really emotionally/internally good with having my penis touched is when a Dom/Top truly relates to it and treats it like a "clit" or "nub" or something obviously different in His mind from the Cock that He has. It's really the distinction that seems to matter? i've had Dom guys who stimulated my "clit" to make me cum as part of their need to control and dominate, but the way they did it was such that i was in a very sub place. It wasn't like i was potent or had something i could use to penetrate with, but they literally treated me like i have a pussy and clit and am not like them, just have a couple of sub body parts they can use to control my pleasure and pleasure Their Self with. Not a lot of guys like that that i have found, but really amazing when it happens. It can be a very effective way to Dom.

i'm a total bottom with a sub streak. i fit into a definite category of "sub" though and don't respond to all guys who identify as "Dom." i think that may be because growing up a lot of Dom boys read me as a sub and i got bullied a lot. i eventually learned how to hide my sub nature in a closet and to this day force or bullying evokes and almost violent reaction in me, i'm not attracted to either. i didn't even see my sub nature until i started meeting what i call "affectionate Doms" who trigger, use and manipulate my sub nature using grooming techniques and other ways to Dom me evoke my sub nature to satisfy Their needs and desires. It's hard for me to resist a guys need/desire for pleasure, and when i perceive that in Him, it opens me up. i've discovered that piss is a strong tool some Doms connect with to Dom Their sub. i've read stories on BZ of a Dom fucking a bottom till he pisses himself, combing pleasure and humiliation that fulfilled a need in both the Dom and sub. i can see so many different ways to do this with piss. For me, a Dom has "piss" and a sub has "urine" or "pee." Don't know why, just a distinction i make emotionally. A Dom's piss is potent, like HIs cum. He can use it to inseminate, impregnate, mark another guy. i see a sub's pee as just waste, but something a Dom can use to fulfill His need to connect and affectionately humiliate His sub. i have fantasized about a Dom subtly finding ways to make me pee myself. For instance, maybe we're together for a day and He keeps making sure i stay hydrated, but also makes sure i don't have an opportunity to relieve myself. It's not something He has discussed with me, just something He orchestrates and does, watching me and realizing me struggle and even mentioning that i have to pee, but finding ways to divert me and keep me from relieving myself without my realizing what He's doing. His goal is to control me and the situation to the point that i can't control it anymore and have to pee. Depending on how we are, it might be me finally saying i can't hold it anymore and making Him listen and acknowledge that i have to pee, at which point He might say with a smile on His face and love in His eyes: "i want you to just let it go, to pee yourself." Or He might say: " I know where there's a restroom" and He starts to lead me to someplace He knows is too far for me to make it in time and i accidentally pee myself. i've also had fantasies (but no experience) of a Dom who grooms me for diapers, which to me has a lot of mind fuck potential. Would love to hear about other ideas both Dom guys and sub guys have for using piss and pee in D/s dynamic to fulfill their needs and desires.

i'm total bottom and there are some twinks who are into older total bottoms, but not all are "experienced." Experience, or really maturity, is important to me. i have a decided sub streak, and most younger guys i have been with, even if they identify as "Dom" don't have the maturity that (can) naturally come with age. But i have learned to not make that an automatic assumption, because it's not always true. i've had some incredible young twink FB's who knew exactly what they were doing and knew how to push all my buttons. The biggest thing for me is attraction. And that's true about any guy i hook with. i don't want any guy fuckng me to compromise. If he's not into me, i don't want him, no matter how much i want. Mutual desire is a primary factor for me, and if i don't sense it, i decline. But "twink" does not mean inexperienced or immature or vice versa. i've encountered plenty of older, immature flakes lol.

i've gotten to a place where mental and emotional connection are a big deal to me and i typically focus, and thus 'feel' thet connection. Once i feel that connect, i seem to fall into rhythm with my Top and as cheesy as it sound, i become one with Him and can go as long as He needs/wants. i had a hot experience i wrote about in "...your last load" thread last week. Had an anonymous walk in breed by a guy while staying at a gay resort in Palm Springs. He had an enormous cock that made me gasp and bite my mattress when He went in. He was self aware of His size and pussy effect and asked me at one point while fucking me "how long can you go?" i guess He was used to guys needing a break? By that time, i was so possessed by Him, the question actually confused me and my only response was to squeeze His cock with my ass. i guess He understood, because He kept going. He was long and He opened and was fuckng (seemed purposeful) my inner hole, which often hurts, and did a little but in a good way. When He did ultimately shoot, He bred me deeply into my inner hole and i could feel His actual semen as He shot into me, something that tis rare for me. i had a prior load in me and ended up keeping both loads through the night and absorbing them both. Damn, it was awesome. Lately i fantasize of Having a guy in me continuously, like a living butt plug. That it feels more natural to have that space filled than to have it empty.

if i'm not mistaken, this Top is the one who gave you the mantra "take Dick?" To me, this is a good example of mind fuck, of insemination and impregnation of your inner emotional/mental being, forming and molding you as His pussy. Pushes my buttons big time.

i've talked to one guy in particular on Recon who wants to make my hole similar to what you describe: i.e., sounds like you have a 'wrecked hole.' There are definitely some Tops /Doms who want that from their bottoms, subs, and all tha goes with it. A diaper can be an erotically humiliating symbol of your wrecked, slut hole. Kind of like the slut bottoms jock, it's an accessory for your package.

i love how you became aware and changed. To me, this is a great example of the connecting that can happen between guys. Your observation that "sex cam be so mechanical at times" is something i purposely try to thwart. i don't always, i take my share of mechanical cock. i have found that i can practice presence in the moment on my side and that sometimes it can be contagious. One of the things that drives me wild is when a Top kisses my neck or shoulders. i've had mostly anonymous walk in sex, where i am lying face down and naked, so i don't typically see my Top and am in a pretty vulnerable position. When a complete stranger is getting into the fuck and just naturally starts kissing my neck or shoulders, my back arches almost reflexively and my ass pushes Him deeper into me, and i literally tremble. These are some of the guys i have to bite my tongue from saying "i love you" too. i think we may be often missing something, that "to humanize" can make sex just that much more sexy and intense. It works that way for me. i think we often leave that out because it takes more time, thought, effort, but i think it's a mistake to make dehumanized sex a habit?

if the goal is to "fuck [me] till i can't get up," then fucking is the foreplay for me, and the my not being able to get up is my need met, my 'orgasm'

i've had similar experience and have reached a similar conclusion about the bs nature of hookup apps. i think a big part of the issue derives from the fact that most communication is visual. Some studies place the percentage of communication that is visual at >85%. Online apps are missing the visual and tonal cues of personal contact. It seems using them handicaps us. i also think there are a lot of people who simply do not know their self. Add to that, lots of people have not acquired a skill set for communicating in writing. If you add the two together, you get (i think) a lot of the "bull shit" we experience on hookup apps. my reaction to online profiles has changed over time. Some profiles used to shock me, later my response evolved into frustration, then amusement, and now resignation. i think (guess?) that most guys are there to "hook up" in some form or another, but often have no pics, or inaccurate pics, and little to no self disclosure. Apps have even made it easy with drop down menus to choose your traits from. Yet, one finds 'profiles' with little or nothing in them. i still always wonder about those guys. Don't they realize we can't see them? That the only way we can be attracted to them is if they put their self out there? When it comes to apps, i think if sex is not going to die off in the gay community (lol, yeah, i know, it'll never happen), guys are going to have to learn about introspection and self knowledge, and then learn how to put what they find in writing.

i was 26 and the guys name was "Skip." He was also my first guy. i was suppressed and repressed because of a religious background, i knew i liked guys from childhood age. i was so ready. i was spending the weekend doing volunteer work on a Christian organization missionary hospital ship that was in port for refurbishing, Skip was one of the crew members and they had bunked me for the night in his room. The berth was very small and dark, only a little light from a port hole. He came into the room late and i pretended to be asleep. His bunk was maybe 5 feet away, but it was so dark you could only see shadows. We played a cat and mouse game for what seemed hours, moving about on our bunks making sounds and touching ourselves. Finally, i couldn't stand it any longer and went over to his bunk and he wordlessly offered me his cock. i had wanted this my whole life, so i was really needing it and i took his cock into my mouth hungrily. It didn't take him long to cum, and honestly, i probably would have loved it no matter how he tasted. The next morning i was in love, and he was gone before i woke. i wanted to talk, he pretended it never happened. And it has remained that way. As most have noted, taste changes from person to person, though there seems to be a familia, teltale taste that is common to all guys even though it varies individually. But the feel, the moment when He orgasms and His orgasm transfers to me is the most awesome thing in life.

i don't think i've seen this topic discussed, so thought i'd start a thread about gay movies or shows you've seen and liked. i have quite a few, and am fond of productions from other countries as well. Here's a few of my favorites (i have so many i love) to start off. Movies: Home at the End of the World Latter Days Bent Brokeback Mountain Series: London Spy Tales of the City Animated: Para Norman

i know, right? It seems like i am regressing into adolescence sometimes i am so guy crazy. Not just looks, attitude, demeanor. As an aside, i often do anonymous walk in breed where im lying naked face down and ass up. Not infrequently, the guy Topping me will kiss my shoulders and/or neck and that absolutely drives me wild. It's like i have a button hidden there and it makes my back arch and my ass push into Him. sigh

One of the most remarkable experiences i've had of the type you describe is driving down a busy street one day and a guy pulls up next to me. I glanced over and our eyes met and we both knew. It's almost magical. He pulled ahead and i followed him into a Burger King parking lot. And parked just as he was getting out and heading into the restaurant. I followed and went into the restroom where he was already waiting. He locked the door behind me, turned around and without a word unbuttoned my jeans, pulled them down, turned me around and bent me over. He pulled his own pants down enough to expose His cock and He slid in and bred me in short order... i can't remember if he even used spit it all happened so fast. He came pretty quickly with a deep thrust and a groan, three or four spasms and He withdrew His cock, pulled up His pants and exited with me still bent over and panting. i recovered enough to lock the door behind Him and left a few minutes later. I've had a few other experiences where i was driving and made similar kind of knowing eye contact, but never actually ended up proceeding to fuck from that lol, this was pretty unique.

That kind of behavior is incredibly bizarre to me. i've tried to figure it out and usually decide it just some closeted guy who is too afraid to actually act on their needs or desires? What really is strange to me is when the go so far as to get you address and then ghost. When at home i've gotten to the point of giving cross streets and having guys text me when they are close, that works pretty well. But at a gay resort? i would imagine that if you've gotten out of the closet enough to check into a gay resort that you're beyond the fear of hooking up, but maybe not. Idk, but flaking and ghosting doesn't happen when face to face, or even on the other side of a GH lol. It's a phenomena born out of online space.

Prior to online, one word i never used or even applied to gay hook up sex was "flake." If you're cruising where real people are, flaking just doesn't exist, a guy is either interested or not. Stuff like chatting up then ghosting didn't exist since there was no internet ether to disappear into. There was no hiding behind ten year old pictures either. i spent last week at a gay resort. A guy actually staying at the resort chatted me up, then ghosted. i couldn't quite believe i'd been ghosted at a gay resort by a guy who was only a couple of hundred feet from me, i just figured he got distracted or something. The next day he contacts me out of the blue and asks for my room number, i asked if he was coming over and he sent me a screen shot of his location. I gave him my room number and ten minutes later his response is "nice." Nice? WTF. i ask again if he is coming, and he tells me he is only looking for a bj, which we had already established. So i replied "i know, are you coming?" He replied: "resting right now." I wrote back a fairly friendly note asking him not to contact me again and questioning that he might be new at this and afraid, but to lead a person on and then back out that way was called "flaking." i was pretty shocked. Honestly, who goes to a gay resort then flakes people? i could tell by the gps locater that he was staying there. Just so weird. That couldn't have happened pool side or in the play areas.

i was at the airport waiting in line yesterday for security and there was this guy in front of me with a beautiful neck and i want to run my lips along it so badly. This happens to me all the time, standing in line behind another guy and having to contain myself, wanting so badly to kiss His neck. Same with ass or cock, seeing an awesome Mans ass or cock (albeit clothed) and dying to grope Him and just having to occupy myself otherwise. There have been times in close quarters where i've allowed myself to 'accidentally' brush up against a guy, but nothing overt. Anyone else deal with this? Sometimes i feel like a teen i'm so guy crazy (but it feels good to feel that way lol).