PhoenixGeoff

This is why god gave us ball gags. Or, since he's a bottom, you could always shut him up by shoving your cock down his throat. Or really grudge fucking his ass and making him cry. But seriously, I'm in the "why are you even discussing this" camp. I can be as political as anyone, but these discussions do not belong in the context of sex.

This can be a very serious problem. The state here requires all health care providers, public and private, to report people diagnosed with STDs by name (along with contact information) to a state agency. Worse, a lot of the testing agencies downplay this by advertising their services as "confidential," which obviously, it isn't at all if they're turning your medical records over to the government. Considering that one of the things the state does is send you a letter casually informing you that they can lock you up if they disapprove of your activities sufficiently, it's not surprising that I've met people who are nervous about being tested and treated and I even met one guy a few years back who had worked out an elaborate system for self-diagnosis and obtaining prescription antibiotics in order to fly under the radar of the state. Imagine if the state did that to parents who sent their kids to school with the flu, which is spreading a far more deadly disease than most STDs.

Actually, I'm not sure if the news made it across the pond, but that actually happened, right here in Colorado.

Preach it, brother! Yeah, what pisses me off so much is the fucking hypocrisy of the whole thing. If you honestly want to have that monogamous lifestyle and all that, then fine. Go off, be happy, live your life. But don't pretend that's what you want and then turn around and carry on fucking around when you think no-one's watching. Especially if you're going to be looking down on men who do the exact same thing you do but do it openly and with some fucking integrity. That makes you no better than the fucking evangelical preacher spewing hatred of gays while snorting meth with his male escort on the side.

I personally build up a much bigger load after getting plowed by a guy or two first. Especially at a bath or a sex party, that bigger load is pretty much guaranteed to get shot deep in a hot bottom. Nothing seems to make me a better and more active top than getting fucked. (But yeah, a nice big cock on a total bottom is a bit of a waste). I don't really care so much about playing with a bottom's cock (though I do like sucking them a bit, usually while eating out their ass and such). But visuals are a big turnon for me. When I top, I love looking down, watching my raw cock fucking a hot ass, watching the bottom's cock get rock hard from the pounding I'm giving him. I love those camera shots in porn that show the bottom's cock as he's getting fucked (especially from underneath).

They're both pretty damn hot but that glove has got to go. Odd thing about this thread is that you made taking a fist sound like a bad thing. Taking a hot man's hand up my ass is a bonus. From the way you phrased it, I almost thought you were asking if I'd take a punch (i.e. step in a finish an actual fight) in order to defend my man. FWIW, the answer to that is yes as well (and I've done it before).

If I can make a suggestion, if you have a doctor, he or she should know that you're gay (or bi). If you're not comfortable with discussing the barebacking issue with him, that's fine. It's not unreasonable for any sexually active gay man, including those who never bareback, to get tested for HIV regularly. The CDC recommends that you should be getting test annually. Now: let me bring up an important issue for you to consider, since you're moving into a higher risk category. You sound like you don't have a doctor there that you'd be comfortable talking to about these kinds of issues. It also sounds like you're pretty well established in your local community and not really likely to want to live anywhere else. So you really need to be thinking now about what you are going to do if and when you test positive for HIV. A few things to consider: You absolutely will need to have an excellent relationship with a primary care physician who is either already knowledgeable about treating HIV or willing to study up on it. If you're not willing to talk to any of the local doctors about getting tested for HIV, who's going to treat you if you do seroconvert? The possibilities are you either start broaching the topic with your current doctor now, or you start looking for alternatives. Rural areas and small towns are often poorly served by medical personnel who have experience dealing with HIV. Are you a small business owner? It sounds like you are. If you are currently paying for your own health insurance, expect your premiums to skyrocket the moment you test positive. Do you have alternative means of getting treated if you need them? Worse, if you don't have health insurance at all right now, how will you pay for your care? Larger cities often have better support systems for people with HIV. One alternative, if you have military service, is to see if you can get into your local VA. What are your alternatives for health care? Would you be willing to move to a larger city? Would you be willing to travel to visit a doctor four times a year if you didn't want to move? Or would you be willing to "out" yourself to a local doctor? With respect to the kits in the drug stores, they work fine, with normal levels of reliability. But of course, you'd have to walk into the drug store and buy them in the first place, and someone might see you there. I've spent time in the South, and I completely understand the need and desire for discretion. But all of this stuff your talking about is largely brought on by the fact that you're living in the closet. At a certain point, you're going to have to trust someone who'll be able to give you the help and support you need.

It's kind of a meaningless question, really. It assumes there's an objective standard of attractiveness out there, when beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Women have positively atrocious taste in men (I remember when Fabio was the big thing, and I frankly find him almost repulsive). Judging by the porn out there, most gay guys seem to think a skinny (barely) 18 year old hairless white stick insect is the epitome of hotness. That's not me now and never has been. But judging myself by my own standards, there are certain things I wouldn't mind changing...I could stand to lose a little bulk and add a little muscle. I definitely wish I could grow a decent beard and had more in the body hair department. I wish my skin could acquire a little more color. I'm pretty happy with my face and cock though, and I like being a tall fucker, even if I end up killing my knees to get down to fucking or getting fucked by you short guys LOL So call me a solid 7 who, with improvement in diet and exercise and all that could perhaps get to an 8 or so. Who will I fuck? Again, going off the sort of guy *I* consider to be a 10 (which ain't the majority view by any stretch), I'd typically do anyone who's a 5-10. Depending on how horny or under the influence I am, that could drop to 3-10. But I ain't fucking no 18 year old stick insects unless you're paying me

The internet's killed off a lot of it. Most cruising seems to be done online. Hell, it's getting to be rare that I see people hooking up at a bar and going off to someone's home for sex. Most bargoers these days just want to socialize. The fact that women will routinely show up in just about every kind of bar, even supposedly leather bars, also puts a damper on things. The other side of things is that in a lot of cities, the police have done a lot of cracking down on the bars. They harass and arrest the employees for allowing things to go on, so the employees can't turn a blind eye. Back in the old days, that sort of thing would have had the whole community out in the streets and demanding that the cops back off. Nowadays, the community is far more focused on building a life in the suburbs with the white picket fence and the two-and-a-half dogs and (or course!) the monogamous relationship [gag] I'd also say that fear of STDs is a big factor in preventing anonymous hookups. Also too, there are a lot of guys into sleazy sex who are also into pretty heavy drugs, which turns off some people.

Hard and bare. (What did you expect?) Actually had a real disappointment at the bath the other night. Guy had a fucking gorgeous cock. About 8", super fucking thick. Usually when guys say "beercan", it's an exaggeration. This was not an exaggeration. The catch? The guy was absolutely petrified of sex. He didn't want to be touched. He wanted condoms worn for oral sex. He wanted to be fucked (honestly, I doubt he's ever had much luck finding a guy who could take his cock, though I made it clear I was game), but again, he wanted a rubber. Mostly he just liked me watching him. So he jacked off and shot his load. Beautiful cock, but man, that guy needs to get over his fear. I can respect guys who don't want to get bred or even top bare. But when you won't let a guy suck your cock without a rubber, that's just pathetic.

Same way you get to Carnegie Hall. Practice, practice, practice! I've never been a big fan of toys myself. I just had quite a bit of sex. So I'm now to the point where I can open right up and take just about any cock up my ass with nothing but spit for lube.

Jimmy, there are lots of guys like this out there. They want who and what they want and they won't take no for an answer, which often leads to just the problem you're talking about. Frankly, it all makes me glad I'm pretty much up for anything. That means that when I find a guy I like and who likes me, we're going to have some kind of sex no matter what. Especially if you're in a public venue like an arcade or porn theater or wherever, you best bet is to be prepared for as much as possible. The tighter your restrictions are, the more likely you're just going to have to rub one out and go home disappointed. But on the plus side, if you run across me in a theater, I'll happily take care of your cock...always hot getting fucked raw in a public venue

I can't say it was the porn that really got me barebacking (although it did perhaps help with the final nudge to get to the point where I wouldn't play with condoms at all). When I first came out, the importance of always using condoms was impressed on me. And there was an impression that everyone always used condoms for fucking. So when I discovered how much I loved barebacking, it was the kind of awful moment when I felt there was something wrong with me. Everyone else was fine with condoms; why wasn't I? It was the Internet that opened things up for me. Finding out that there were others guys out there who really wanted to fuck raw, that I wasn't the only one. I still remember the first site I discovered in the mid-90s that was dedicated to bareback sex (and its companion bugchasing/giftgiving fetishes). And I still remember meeting guys on IRC who freely enjoyed barebacking. That, far more than the bareback porn that started coming out a bit later on, was more important for me. But, I should emphasize that I spent most of the mid and late 90s in an environment where I couldn't really associate with other gay men except either online or in periodic visits to other cities to hook up, so I was kind of isolated in a number of ways.

Interesting responses. I wonder if it's a cause for concern that (in this highly unscientific poll) almost a third of "hardcore" barebackers (i.e. the kind of guys who'd get involved in a site like this) party, and 15% or so are people I'd say either are addicted or are in serious danger of it. That's more than <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18655714">ten times the prevalence</a> among men as a whole in the population (the study said about 3.1% of men have used meth in the last three years). That strikes me as a real problem. If we take it as a given that meth really is an near-impossible to control, really bad drug (and this is coming from someone who thinks most drug use should be outright legalized), then perhaps we should look at what our own little corner of the community can do about it.

Meh, if you have to work on the guy to get him to bareback, the fuck's probably not worth your time. I want partners who'll gleefully unleash their inner pig with me.

My general impression is that public health practices in Vancouver are generally light-years ahead of most other places on the continent. The Insite supervised injection site for drug addicts is a model for harm reduction efforts, a model that most jurisdictions are too scared or too judgmental or reactionary to adopt.

I'm interested in the overlap and possible relationship between drug use, particularly meth, and barebacking. Browsing through ads on BBRT and other sites, it's hard not to see that quite a few guys who are very much into raw sex also party. Many seem comfortable with being quite open about their drug use. Sometimes it seems that everywhere you look for raw sex, you're liable to run into drug use as well. I wonder, then, if part of the increase in interest if fucking raw is also related to the rate of meth use in the gay community. So I guess the first question to ask is how many of you guy party with T?

Very good time last night. Dropped by a hot otter who's slightly older than me with a beautiful fat, long cut cock. Ended up taking two of his loads deep in my ass before I had to take off. A little later on, I went to a bath where I'd arranged to hook up with a buddy of mine. I wasn't expecting much action on a Tuesday night, but since I'd arrived first, I wandered off to the public area. There was some kind of aciton going on in a dark corner, but I quickly hooked up with a tall guy with a 8 to 9" cock. He reached for a condom but I dissuaded him and he eagerly set in on fucking my ass raw, becoming even more excited when he felt the two previous loads in my ass. He pulled out to take a break and grab a smoke. We'd attracted a bit of an audience, and, to my delight, three more guys unloaded in my ass in quick succession. By this time, the first guy had returned to fuck me again and went wild on my ass when I told him what he'd missed. He gave my ass a real hard pounding and I got that fantastic feeling of a stream of cum leaking out of my hole and running down my crack. It didn't take long for him to finally blow his load deep inside me along with all the others, the sixth of the night. As soon as he pulled out, I immediately went down on his cock. His cock and balls were completely covered in cum from my ass. I couldn't believe how good it tasted. Meanwhile, he ran his hand up my crack, collecting the cum that was still leaking out of me and wiping it all over my body. An incredibly hot scene! I hooked up with my buddy (an insanely hot, very furry bear) a little while later and we mostly ended up messing around in my room. He was really disappointed to have missed the show but enjoyed how my ass felt when he fucked me. As I was opening him up with my own cock, his loud moans draw the first guy to my door. I let him in and held my buddy's legs up while he fucked him. We got a second load out of him, and then I took my turn, finally dumping my own load inside his hairy ass. Definitely one of the best nights I've had this year!

I'd mostly associated the spread of Hep-C with sharing of syringes while using IV drugs and such. Considering the rather large overlap between people who bareback and people who use T and other drugs, it may be hard to control for that in a study. Then there's also the consideration that Hep-C can survive rather longer outside of the body than HIV can. So it can be passed if you happen to share a razor or toothbrush or even a nail clipper with someone who has it. Which may account for how it sometimes gets spread between partners or roommates. Which is not to say that it can't be spread sexually. But if it can, one might ask why we're seeing it spread now, as opposed to five or ten or fifteen years ago. Is it because barebacking's more popular? Does it have something to do with HIV? Or is it something else?

Keep in mind that sex (even with condoms) is a fantastic way of spreading all sorts of viruses around. Maybe one of the guys you were with was just getting over the flu or had just picked it up and was still asymptomatic. Sometimes the flu is just the flu. That being said, you need to be getting tested routinely. Don't hide your head in the sand over HIV. If you have it, it's best to know you do and treat yourself accordingly.

Here's where I think you might be on to something. We're the hardcore types, who'd probably (for the most part) be barebacking regardless. But what you're interested in is the edge cases: guys who'd probably not get into barebacking, but see it being normalized by porn and are either tempted to try it or less likely to refuse it when faced with a sex partner like you or me. Those guys aren't hanging out around places like this. They don't necessarily routinely bareback, but might be more tempted to under the right circumstances if they think barebacking is really prevalent.

Heh...real men use spit

I'm a huge exhibitionist. I also got my start having sex in parks, then quickly moved on to bars and bathhouses. I also get into action in bookstores and porn theaters and have hooked up in rest areas while on the road. I've kind of altered my outlook here a bit. I really get off on other guys watching me have sex and getting really turned on. But when it comes to places that people from all walks of society use, like public parks, I think it's disrespectful of others who don't really want to see the kind of action I'm getting into. They've got a right to enjoy the areas and facilities too. On the other hand, I have no problem whatsoever with putting on a show at a bath or bookstore. Nor is there any problem with cruising in public areas and then going off somewhere more private to get into sex.

When I was escorting many years ago, I would routinely use condoms in order to protect my clients, some of whom were married and had families. A few requested bareback sex with me and I happily agreed. I was still testing negative at the time, but barebacking in my "recreational" sex. When you're an escort, you need to place the interests of the client ahead of your own. I think it's also legit to use a condom if you're going to be appearing in porn (and I know I'm kind of on thin ice with this one). Again, the interests of your employer ought to trump your own. There have been a very few cases where there was a guy who was so hot and that I wanted so badly that I allowed the use of a condom. But that's very rare. Mostly the use of a condom is a dealbreaker for me.

I've often said that having a great cock size and shape is less important than having the skills to be a good top. I still stand by that. But I just had a reminder of just how fucking mindblowing it is when you get both in the same man. His cock was the perfect size, about 8-9 inches and very thick with a great head. I'd told him to hold nothing back, and he took me at my word. He used his cock to tear up my ass in ways I'd forgotten could be done. He fucked me in several different positions. sometimes fucking hard and deep, sometime fast, even slowly and gently once or twice. He'd pull out and slam it right back in again. And he loved that not only did I never complain but I begged him for more and thrust back on him just as hard as he was thrusting into me. And at the end, he shot not one but two huge loads of cum deep inside me, the kind of loads that you can feel flooding into your guts and that leave you in no doubt whatsoever that you have been well and truly bred. It took me several minutes just to regain my breath from the intense fucking he gave me. And for my stomach to settle down from the flip-flops. And my hole is still feeling twitchy. This was the kind of fantastic sex that reminds you why being gay is so god-damn awesome. You feel sorry for straight guys that they will never know just how fucking great a cock in your ass can feel. You feel sorry for the condom nazis because they cannot possibly understand the sensation of a raw cock fucking your ass and filling you up with cum. I'm so fucking glad to be who I am today.