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Well, if only one guy is bottoming and the other 4 are Topping, I guess it could be called a gangbang. Ideally though, we'd need 10, 15 guys to call it a proper orgy - which is why most orgies take place at hotels, tubs, fuckjoints, etc. Whatever we decide to call it, call me too .... 😁

Thanks for that exceptional explanation. It's not easy to understand unless one experiences it personally, and when that happens, words often pale into insignificance - and that was spot-on.

" I want to carry that forward, to teach others with the same care and curiosity he showed us." I would say that you're already on that path, whether you know it or not. By sharing some of the facets of your life, you're inviting others to consider those issues you've discussed (or invited discussion, which is aka 'teaching') and make relevant in their own lives. One + one = two: that's "teaching". Describing some situation in your own life, how you resolved it or how you're wrestling with that issue, is inviting others to consider the same issues in their own lives, and in the same way. It's like some required "nuts-n-bolts" coursework versus coursework that challenges not only the facts, but why they're facts, and more cerebral subjects you're already good at. Maybe you're not a degreed "teacher" yet, but you're already well on your way to being a wise man capable of gently offering others a different way of thinking.

Hopefully, your concerns will prevail. It seems that a lot of BZ'ers either are too young, or simply don't remember the repressions some of the more 'experienced' guys remember too well. In any case (on behalf of us all), thanks for this splendid and most useful site. It's a real treasure.

Welcome, new guys. We hope to hear a lot more from each of you. Cheers !!

The tiktok rumor-mill is not of much direct importance to me. I think the widespread dependence on these apps is obviously detrimental,; no person should live in a bubble. We need each other more than we think we do, and attempting to substitute virtual interaction for actual human interaction will be a dangerous and fruitless endeavor. I don't need some algorithm to tell me what I think, and neither do any of us. It's a dangerous behavior to get too comfortable with that practice.

If I could still blush, I would ........

I'm no mathematician, and I don't have an abacus big enough handy, but our buddy over in T.B. (sorry about last Sunday's game) seems to have his math fairly well covered. Faced with the obvious (according to ellentonboy's figures), I have been either very naughty, or very well-behaved.

Actually, I hadn't realized it until I read this ^, but I too fuck for a while first. The Hole needs to be pre-opened one way or another so as to obviate any damage when the fisting begins, and a Cock will do it just as well as anything else. My goal isn't always to fist - I do it rather seldom - when I'm asked. But when it's part of a "scene", I always rut first.

Actually, I have used real butter a number of times. As far as I'm concerned, butter is the perfect food - I've loved it since my earliest days. However. When butter is over-churned (i.e. used for lube and literally churned inside the Hole), the result can be disappointing, no matter how good it tastes. It can get - oh - what's the word - maybe "lumpy" - with too much churning. I'll stick with loads (either fresh or pre-frozen) and saliva.

I don't think there is a certain number to qualify as an "orgy". Obviously, an orgy would be comprised of a number of guys, but what makes the event an "orgy" is the uninhibited serial sucking/rutting/breeding that takes place. The only "measure" that creates an orgy out of a roomful of gay guys, is the degree of love for wanton raw sex the participants share. It could be 5, it could be 10, it could be 20, it could be 50. It's determined only by the willingness of the guys attending to push their boundaries.

It's a fascinating - well, "thing"? .... Obviously I haven't tried it, don't know the first thing about it, but that doesn't mean I'm uninterested in how it works. Pleased you gave that dish to a real friend ....

I've heard it called a number of things, but 'tiger' is a new one for me 😄. I rather like it ....

Well said. Actually, I do have those as well, they just started coming along with the PrEP. Thanks for pointing that out.

I stand corrected. Thank you.

I'm assuming you mean the Deity we all grew up thinking of as the All Seeing, All Hearing, All Powerful & All Judging of our humanness? The one our culture professes to believe in? Those who picked up on the "Anointed" schtick have been fooled completely. And, they lost in the popular vote as well. The Orange-u-tang lost the popular vote, and substantially so. What he did win however, was the long-outdated contrivance we call the Electoral College, created when a decent percentage of the population of this country remained illiterate. They knew farming, animal husbandry, trades, but had little formal education. It was an effort to extend the right to vote to more Caucasian citizens, and deny it to "the other". The Electoral College has been a hideously outdated contrivance of domination for longer than any of our grandparents have been alive, and well deserves to be eliminated forthwith. The sitting Vice President, Ms. Harris, won the popular vote with ease, yet we all see what happened. Once we're rid of the C.I.C, (no, not Commander-In-Chief), the Crook/Criminal/Convict-in-Chief, it will be long past time to ditch the Electoral College as well. But, as the old saying goes, first things first.

Perfectly said.

It worked perfectly for my other half and I for decades. I loved watching him take loads, while I was rutting in another one. Same for watching him sucking Cocks off ... if I was within reach, I'd kiss him afterwards. When one or the other of us had to go to the office downtown, it became de rigueur for him (or me) to get home hours after that meeting would have been concluded - sometimes with a trick. Watching him suck off / take loads off other Cocks, only made mine all the harder.

I think the "default" position on this question would be t.b.d. If there are any "wants" on the part of the bottom, that should be made clear while the initial sniffing is still in progress. Same for the Top. It can take as much as a couple of minutes, or as short as a handful of seconds, but when there's something that's important to one or the other, it should be shared, and subsequently respected. The only thing that really matters - as I see it - is that each guy/guys get what they want, need.

"life now is just one person—me" That happens in every relationship, one way or another. There are variables, of course, i.e. how long the relationship lasts, how successful it is/was, etc, etc. It seems the success of the rest of our lives depends on how much we need that ineffable sense of "connection" that's available when we interact on a number of levels with our peers. Or, don't. I was fortunate, in that I had just over 30 years with my "other half", and for that I'm grateful. But whether it's a series of relationships, or just one for a number of years, or none at all for the truly resilient guys, the resulting sense of balance, sense of well-being, accomplishment remains. All we need to do is figure out how to access it.

I use one from AVG.

Well, Vaseline can be a good lube for fucking, but (to me), it tastes terrible .... I much prefer a pre-loaded Hole, but that's not always in the cards either. After all, some guy's Cock has to be first of the night. Just a plain (well-prepped) Hole with nothing but Lust up there is better than Vaseline .....

Neither can I. The creature was drawing breath at the time she came to Chicago to spread her hateful message, and I regret not one second of that afternoon. I'd do it again. When some public figure decides to spew hateful commentary regarding a segment of the human family - any segment - I will gladly resist, and do so publicly. Hatred, when experienced by one group of human beings, is easily recognized as such when directed at some other group of fellow humans, and subsequently resisted by other disrespected/marginalized groups of people. Ideally, that should extend to the rest of that society, but the ball has to start rolling somehow. The more we resist hatreds aimed at any group, the better it becomes for everyone. We don't need to physically harm others when they prove themselves deserving, but there's nothing at all wrong with resistance, and everything right about it. Unless I miss my guess, we've got an enormous plate of hatreds about to be set in front of us, and the more we defend others, the more we defend ourselves.

and if you all didn't before, now you know why I moved my ass to South Florida !!!

I have a grrrrrrrrreat A.B. even to share: Years ago (still lived in Chicago) when the Orangeblossom was still in bloom (fading, but ...), she was hired in to perform at an enormous, stone Masonic Lodge on Chicago Ave in Chicago. She was at the height of her "Hate Gays" schtick, and word got out she was coming to perform at that venue for the Masons. This was long before cellphones, but the gay network in Chgo responded: everyone started calling everyone, a demonstration of our own was being planned, and get to the area asap. Well. That area was infamous for lack of parking, and everyone jumped on the el trains headed for the Chicago Ave station (in that area, it was the subway). We told the secy that we'd be gone for an indeterminate amount of time, and took the elevated for the Near North side. By the time the train was half-way to Chicago Ave, it was jammed full of guys, all excited, all itching for a confrontation. The train cars were s.r.o., everyone laughing, carrying on, it was great. Got to the Chicago Ave (it was the subway at that point), and every stairwell up to grade was jammed with gay guys pouring out of the subway. Thousands. It was fan-fukkin-tastic. The queen of cuntery was due in about an hour, so we heard, and as we worked our way closer to the Masonic Temple, the cops started attempting their version of "crowd control", but the demonstrators outnumbered the cops by at least 100 - 1, and we started circling the temple chanting, all of that. As the time for her appearance approached, there were thousands of gay men, pissed off to the enth degree, and no chance of any car getting within a couple of blocks of that big old stone Masonic Temple. The rest is mostly gossip - we weren't so close to the temple we could see anything, but guys had climbed up on rooftops of one-storey stores to see, and hollered stuff down. And when all was said and done, the bitch told her driver to turn around (apparently, she'd been driven from the W side of Chicago Ave, and most of the crowd was on the E and S side). And, she took her wobble*, turned around and the cops escorted her car out to O'Hare. The whole thing was fantastic from start to finish - literally thousands of gay men, dropping what they were doing, coming together to demonstrate against one of the more vocal critics of who and what we are. That cunt hasn't even crossed my mind again until just now. I'll be more generous than she was to us: I hope she goes to purgatory**, now that we're rid of her filth. Not to Hell, mind you - just to purgatory (which I don't believe in anyway). *a vocal pedagogist's term, and not a flattering one ** I think that's where the souls of dead people go to .... well ..... think things over?