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Well, soki .... there's a lot of very sound advice above, and thanks to the guys that beat me to it this time. They're right !!! And thanks to all you guys who replied.

(at least I hadn't eaten lunch yet ..... otherwise I'd have had a real mess to clean up ..... )

Well, it's possible, but not without re-negotiating multiple Mutual Defense Treaties we have with Israel, as well as deal with outraged American citizens who would vehemently disagree with that "divorce". The Biden Administration would never entertain such a notion, the next Administration is 6 months away, and I doubt a Harris Administration would entertain such an act either. The region could be reduced to an enormous, smoldering cinder by then. I doubt many Americans would consider that a very "stand-up" thing to do, considering all the many other MDT's we have around the world. The US might consider reducing our footprint in other countries in the Middle East, where we have a number garrisons (with US troops) stationed. For instance, the countries in the Far East we have MDT's with would wet their pants if America did that to Israel; Taiwan and S. Korea first and foremost. Imagine the European nations response, if we did that. The American Government would immediately be considered feckless at the very least, and around the world. I very, very much doubt that notion would even be entertained by the American Government.

I concur, in that she's not in any position to make this or that policy happen, and won't be until January (assuming she wins). That whole situation seems to always be in a state of flux, if not outright conflict; all kinds of mistakes can happen long before then. The issue of US trying to influence policy in the area is, and has been, questionable a lot longer than any 4our year term in office. Fortunately, she's not running for President of the World; running for President of the US is a huge enough challenge for any politician. Sure, she should condemn the violence, the ongoing killing, but she's simply in no position to make much in the way of concrete proposals. There's plenty on her plate as it is, only one of which is formulating an appropriate commentary on current foreign events. So far, my impression of Harris is a lady with a big heart, but it's presently encased in a shell of steel. We'll see more depth in January.

(and thanks, tallslenderguy, for your always thoughtful reply)

I took that event as a push-back on the part of the President's advisors/policy of fairly gentle public statements, vs his private discussions with Israeli officials, and probably generated at the President's insistence. Up until January, it will be Biden's agenda, and while we see kind old Joe in public, there may well be a more blunt guy sitting in the Oval. Diminished now, perhaps, but still the The Guy. Once she's President, I think she'll feel able to be far more blunt in her remarks (and, maybe actions). I think Harris is avoiding making any decisive remarks about the issue, since it's simply not her call until she's seated as President. The crux of this issue, as far as I can figure, is that what used to be called "Christianity" in the US has been re-branded as White Supremacy Excused by a Faith Tradition. These folks who claim to follow the message (the truly ancient one, obviously)* have jettisoned any tie to the New Covenant, relying instead of the same magical, supernatural-based belief systems that other Traditions follow - with the exception that they are "the anointed" ones, while very, very similar and ancient faith traditions are declared to be "wrong". There is simply no truthful introspection behind this mental bias. The above-mentioned percentage exists because their self-centered hatreds are being catered to by charlatans, raking in truckloads of money, and have been doing so for centuries. Institutionalized Religion is the bane of humanity, with zero redeeming qualities. Humans are born into this world with these negative characteristics completely absent. These self-centered (and thus, "other-centered" hatreds) are products of our culture, whoever happens to be "the other". It's only after humans begin to be "culturalized" by the institutions they're raised in, that these people begin to turn off their mental capacities, in favor of the false fervor inculcated as children. Thus we wind up with a Speaker whose goal is "helping bring about 'the end times'. Reportedly, all the "believers" swept up to Heaven, and all the non-believers thrown down into Hell. How's bathing in blood for scaring little kids? Isn't the paradox perversely interesting? I remember in one of the creeds I heard as a kid the phrase "the conversion of the Jews". Now I can't say I thought much about it at the time, other than if they (the Jews) are able to jettison their ancient traditions/beliefs, why aren't we non-Christians able to do that too? Why aren't we (Christians) supposed to recognize the bullshit that we're taught relative to "communion". I don't think any kid relishes the notion of the actual flesh of Jesus, or his blood in our mouths as very appetizing; yet that's the kind of bullshit we were taught. Christian Nationalism - if it triumphs - will be the ruin not only of the US, but the whole damn rest too. Then, the handful of survivors will start the whole process all over again. Yeah, because no one will still be alive. Then, the cycle of humanity will begin all over again, via the handful of survivors. If/when nuclear war actually does happen, it'll be back to the caves for the remnants of humanity. Maybe in 10,000 years, we'll all come back again too .... Rant exhausted .... thanks for your always interesting input. *referring to the "New Covenant"

Well, I suppose it's possible that term (rutting) is just a Chicago-ism .... but even when traveling to other major events (MAL, for example), I don't recall any guy asking what it meant ...

I'm certain that's the case, but I haven't heard any clips in the major media to that effect. She still has to support the President's plan, and until January, but it's so serious an issue we could be at war with Iran (and all her proxies) in short order. I wish she'd make some kind of statement, instead of vague murmurings of support for the devasted folks with absolutely nothing. It's an unfolding catastrophe, and will only get worse If she indicates she's harboring X or Y views, it might at least nudge Nettie into something productive. Of course. As far as I know, Palestine isn't a source of Big Macs, orange face-paint, hair dye, or gold-colored radiator paint*. Therefore, he couldn't care less. I would cut off my hand before I'd fill in the little oval on the ballot for that p.o.s. *"radiator-paint" is a type of paint unethical antique dealers use to make plain old shit look like it's actually gold-plated. Commonly used on portrait frames, furniture (and elevators in Turd Tower in NYC) Thanks for your reply. --------------------------------------------------------- To tallsplendidguy's reply: The whole lift from Al Jazeera wasn't appropriate, (couldn't quote just one line), so here's the line I'm replying to: "her response was telling and may indicate how she does not want the Gaza issue to be one of the core issues of the campaign" Clearly, she doesn't, and since she's still Biden's VP, it wouldn't be appropriate for her to voice any substantive deviation from his position. I suppose it's trying to read tea-leaves, which is about as good as praying to Whatever, but I believe that most Americans of good will want something to change for the better in the region (meaning the Israeli Government). I too heard that retort to the demonstrators hollering at her rally, and her response seemed a bit terse. Speculating, I doubt she'd continue the Administration's apparent policy of keeping mum, so I can't fault her for not speaking out more forcefully. She definitely sent Nettie a message veiled though. But nothing will happen (for her) until January at the earliest. Thousands and thousands of innocents could die before then. To what the Evangelicals have to say, I don't believe in magic, and certainly not when it relates to the ancient enemy, Organized Religion. Maybe I should pay a tiny bit of attention to that crowd, but it's just too dependent on ancient bullshit to interest me. It's nothing but anti-reason as far as I'm concerned. Depending on nonsense won't help anything. Thanks for your reply. Agreed. He's already done tremendous harm (in the name of "vengeance"), which in his own religion's words: "Vengeance is mine alone"* (God's words, according to the Old Testament. Since I don't see some colors very well, I didn't know that the Israeli uniforms were brown - surely the most unfortunate choice of color, considering recent history. If we "cut all military aid", that would mean taking US forces out of the theatre, since we have forces stationed in numerous neighboring countries. Not "armies", more like "garrisons", but they're all in danger if a general war breaks out. I'll bet "retraction" teams are already in situ over there, just in case. *Deuteronomy, 32:35 <polite cough> I sure you didn't mean it the way I read it ... but "in some way" is a bit leading .... 😁 Thanks for your reply. I too thought that response the first time - "now I am speaking" - or words to that effect was a bit over the top. The second time the protesters interrupted her she handled it much better. Unfortunately, the folks who hold more urgent views have to shout over her (or any candidate) to be heard. It would be much more productive to allow protesters to choose a spokesperson, and include some time for that person to ask the candidate some questions. It's happened twice recently, so maybe the campaign will figure out a better way to handle it. Maybe carve out some time at the end of the speech for opportunities to ask candidates for their ideas on individual issues. She can't be seen to be at variance with her boss - the President - until she's sworn in in January. That said, she's able to thread this particular needle - but the sooner the better. Thanks for your reply.

Wellllll .... not exactly. According to U.S. Trade with Israel 2021 - Bureau of Industry and Security (updated 2024) "How does Israel use the aid? Most of the aid—approximately $3.3 billion a year—is provided as grants under the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program, funds that Israel must use to purchase U.S. military equipment and services. May 31, 2024" In other words, the US gives them dough, which they are required to spend buying US military goods. There is a wide array of other items, not just military, but those purchases are not included in the military purchases. Unfortunately, speaking of our distressing observations doesn't seem to be getting the job done. I understand that Netanyahu and Biden have been friends for decades, and if that's ok with the two of them, it's ok with me. What's not ok is, the destruction being wrought upon the Palestinians these past 10 months, with only louder/harder beating of the war drums currently. The talk between old friends has produced precious little in modifying behavior (to be fair, on either side). I realize Harris is hampered by her current status as Biden's Veep, in that she must not begin making premature statements about policy she cannot make -as of yet. After all, it won's be until January that she even has the power to alter things. Maybe that's why she's been so quiet, other than calling the situation deplorable. I'm aware of what Biden's done, and is doing (as much as the major media is, anyway), and his guidance seems to be falling on totally deaf ears in the War Cabinet. I'm not sure it's a good idea to allow a foreign PM to lead American foreign policy, no matter who it is. When Israel blows up hospitals, places where homeless, hungry civilians who've already lost everything, I think it's incumbent upon a candidate for the Presidency to address that horror. Thanks for your reply !!

Fair enough. One singular citizen, however, is not able to "give power" to any political candidate or "group". It's only in the context of what an election is that matters. If I offered the notion that: then pardon my lack of clarity. The right to vote is a part of being a citizen first, and an important part. Thus, it follows that those who can vote, but choose to refrain from voting, might also refrain from criticizing citizens that take their rights seriously, including voting. Thanks for your response. Surely there are both local Republican and Democratic organizations in your area. There are probably an LGBTQ-oriented club or two as well. Even here in Ruby Red Florida, we have both the regular Democratic and regular Republican organizations, and two LGBT+ ones too (one local, and one state-wide).

I've read and re-read the OP, and I still can't make heads or tails of it ....

Let's be clear about terminology: Pulling out before shooting the load up a Hole = "rutting" Pumping the load up the bottom's gut = 'breeding" Now. I understand why most bottoms want every Cock in the fuckjoint to cum in their Hole. I love guys with that special need, but there's another facet to consider. Many, if not most Tops like to rut in as many holes as they possibly can - and then either breed the last one they're in when the night grows long, of go back and find their favorite hole and shove the load to that guy. Most Tops love to try out -experience - rut in - as many Holes as possible. That may seem inconvenient to most bottoms, but that's the way we're wired. It seems that many bottoms think they should get virtually every load that gets pumped up any Hole in the fuckjoint. That mindset may be inconvenient for Tops, but it's just the way many bottoms are wired. Point: NO guy gets everything he wants every time. Every guy gets some of what he wants, hopefully every time. Occasions when a guy gets everything he wants (ruts in every Hole in the fuckjoint/takes the load off every Cock in the fuckjoint) are almost impossible to achieve, so we need to concentrate on getting & giving as much pleasure to each other as we possibly can. Tops and bottoms are not alike - but we can give some of our opposite number what they most need, and receive from them what we most need. Outside of a private event, no guy gets everything, every time. We all get something, every time. Fantasies are just that. Reality and respect dictates we do the best we can to fulfill our partners fantasies and do the best we can for every guy.

Has anyone heard what her positions are on the various troubles in the Israel/Palestine issue? Obviously, she's not yet President, and just as obviously she's been Biden's Veep for these past 3+ years, so is it reasonable to assume that she'll be as ... well ... forgiving of Netanyahu's disinclination to move forward on the issues as Biden has been? It seems that the fires of war are burning even hotter these past several days, with US aircraft carriers, troop-carriers, etc heading (or probably there by now) for Israel. If she's made any foreign policy statements, I've managed to miss them. Sometimes, when even I get tired of all the brou-ha-ha regarding US politics, I watch CNN International* for a while, and it seems like the area is about to explode. With all the carryings-on domestically, news reports from around the world (like the Ukrainian counterattack - go Ukrainians !!!) is getting really shorted lately, Obviously, she'd have to limit her commentary to reflect current US policies, since she's still Veep, but I haven't heard much at all about how she might alter those policies when she's President. *regular CNN, with a decent dose of foreign affairs. btw - there's an excellent publication by that same name - "Foreign Affairs' - that I've subscribed to for years. Material from renown authors world-wide as well as Stateside, responsible journalism, and opposing viewpoints. It's not cheap, but then neither are the contents. Anyone heard anything lately?

I'd buy a ticket to THAT scene !!!

Ditto; I suppose I'm an optimist at heart too.

As far as I can tell, this Project 25 is anticipating exactly that scenario. Apparently, there are already - today - quite a number of Trumpettes in place on the state and local level in a number of States. Mutterings about 'civil war', all of that should be taken as a clear and present danger, to resurrect a time-worn phrase. That said, I'm assuming the generals in the Pentagon are already planning for some degree of insurrection. The way I see it, if every kid that's ever been insulted in middle school can get one of these rapid-fire, hand-held machine guns, things could go south really quickly. That disaffected kid that almost shot off Big Mouth could get one, or grab his dad's unlocked-up gun. There are accounts of this kind of bullshit almost daily. Now, Travis Kelsey's girlfriend* has had to cancel 3 shows in Austria because of threats to blow stuff up during the concerts. These are dangerous times. *can't quite come up with her name - no insult intended, ya'all ...

Since this thread is resurfacing, how about something really simple? Just close your eyes, and mentally re-play one of your favorite porn vids .... easy as pie, and the guy doesn't even have to know either.

I'm with FelchingPisser .... The more loads up the bottom's Hole, the better it looks, the better it smells, the better it tastes. I don't need a tight a Hole ... I'd much rather be the 12th guy than the 1st. Add in some felching and some snowballing, and that's a recipe for a perfect night of debauchery. Leaving an orgy with drained balls, face smeared with felched loads, Cock wet with other guy's loads, is the perfect way to wrap up a night in the pigpen with our brothers. (Someone needs to tell the spelling program we're using here, that felching is an actual word, and it's being spelled perfectly) .

Nooooooo ...... DO continue - please ..... the mental image of Vance pulling his head out of that mass of congealed fat, complete with still-moving lips, summons forth a particularly disgusting mental image of two horrifically disgusting men, committed to sinking into the deepest well of human depravity imaginable. I wonder how much farther either of them can fall before they hit the bottom of the pit, but we'll find out in a couple of months, I guess. I think you could patent that mental image, if that were possible, and sell it as a weight-loss program .... you'd get rich quick !!!

Agreed, which is why it's important for the Top (who, presumably is the dominant participant) to purposefully, consciously be aware of his bottom's signals, reactions. "Reading" unspoken signals is something well-practiced, experienced Tops learn as they perfect their craft ( or should). Obviously. Probably not that many beginners though. It takes a bit of grey for many to figure everything out at that particular level. I'm switching from a modifier to a noun, but that well is a really deep one, and the waters particularly sweet. Sipping from that well touches the mind, heart, intellect and everything else. Once realized, it's a resource that can be accessed for various reasons, and they're all growth-experiences. Well, the answer was right there, first thing addressed. Unless some practice (Taoism, for instance) results in not ejaculating, the fluids are flushed out of the "pipes" automatically by internal bodily functions at a not-too-distant time. I was interested in what happens, since I know from your previous, excellent additions to the discussion that your own climax is not a crucial part of connecting. Crassly put, you're in no danger of needing a plumber, which is what I was wondering about. I wonder how many Tops think about these kinds of (potential) issues. In the second link, "limiting the time between ejaculations may improve sperm quality. However, the study authors caution there’s not enough evidence to say for sure", I rather doubt they're referring to the "taste" quotient. It's kind of the authors to set our minds at ease "re prostate problems". I reckon not that many of us are highly "at risk" !!! I also didn't know that "wet dreams" are not limited to young guys at all; they can happen at any age. Clearly though, it's far better to remain "active" with other guys, so as not to waste that which we're so intent on sharing. To be fair though, those events haven't crossed my mind in decades ... Let's go be interviewee's at the next one !!! Our respective answers would either make the interviewers laugh their asses off, or shock them into the next century !!! I don't guarantee I could keep a straight face though ..... So, sweet boy - thanks for all that excellent information ❤️

Well !!! Ask a question, and the resident expert (compared to me, anyway) replies with an amazingly complete reply. Thanks for composing that reply. I'll do the homework and read the links after I get some lunch; the belly is hollering at me. This morning has disappeared on me, with all the interesting issues currently being discussed. A little later, then ... 🤗

If the Dems manage to blow it this time, it'll be the end of the US Government as we currently know it. Even if a general war manages to break out in the Middle East (which usually encourages the voting citizenry to 'circle the wagons" and support the current Administration), for which possibility there are US Navy ships on the way, loaded with fighter jets, gawd knows what else, as well as US troops, ostensibly to support all the US troops already in the general area. I've liked Walz since "the search" began a while ago, and I appreciate that choice. It wouldn't surprise me if it turned out that Shapiro and Harris came to some sort of agreement about the election cycle after her two terms as President are completed, 8 years from this November. He needs to be in situ in PA, which state is crucial to a Harris victory. His "warm-up" speech last night was the first time I've heard Shapiro in a complete speech-ette, and it was one damn fine barn-burner. I also find it surprising that the orange-utang's stumbling replies to the Walz announcement are so weak, so "scatter-shot" in nature. I thought that even he could offer at least some measure of a cogent response. He's such a damn coward, and a truly stupid one. It's a damn waste of perfectly good Big Macs that he bothers to feed himself.

You're one of our hero's .... you wear whatever you want, whenever you want, and you're still one of our hero's 😉

That's S.O.P. - standard operating procedure - for a lot of Tops, if not most. If we at least rut in (if not actually Breed) as many Holes as we want, then those that we do Breed receive our very best efforts. It's downright exciting as hell to rut in a number of Holes before pumping our loads up a couple of them. Most Tops don't actually Breed in every Hole they rut in - not physically, at least. But they do connect mentally, emotionally with that bottom, the bottom's Hole, and are in union with the entire man they're fucking. Not, perhaps as completely as the guys that take his Sperm, but the act of rutting in many Holes is damn thrilling for most Tops. I don't see that as selfish, since every bottom will get some guy's seed pumped up his gut. It's merely how we're wired.

per the ^ You're the medical expert, and I'm not by the longest of shots. I do have a question though: Isn't it unhealthy to not actually cum regularly? Do the "pipes" start to shrink, or even close up to some degree? Wouldn't the testes start to suffer from disuse? I may be really wrong, but it occurs that everyone's body needs to get exercised, even if (for some parts) it's only occasionally, including our balls getting drained. That would explain "wet dreams" of our (much) younger years. Or, maybe the sperm isn't produced in enough quantity until we have sex? Maybe the balls go into some kind of hibernation until they're needed again? On the other hand, using "draining the balls" could be an excuse for suppressed guys to get some action, I suppose.