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Well, maybe not the second or third time. Most guys don't shoot huge loads over and over again ... the first one is substantial, but the rest are less and less until dry orgasms appear. Our balls can only generate so much Sperm in one night, I guess !!!

For me, everything depends on the set-up. In the fuckjoints, there's only Hole needing Cock, and Cock needing Hole - there's no need for much communication about this or that. I think of it as the lowest common denominator. The base-line from which we all either progress or remain static. There are all kinds of variety in male/male sex, and that's great. I learned very early on to respect and try my best to live up to the Leather Ethic*, and life as a Leatherman (in gear or out of it) has proven - for me - to be a most positive, uplifting and honorable way to structure my life. These days, that has faded - at least as I learned years ago - but the foundations remain. Even in the backrooms, that foundation of behaving in a certain way remains to this day. Thus, I can use my Cock in the most brutal way, assuming that kind of fuck has been previously negotiated, or I can make sweet, tender, beautiful love with it, or a little of this, a little of that. The point is, we're not just one dimensional. We're human beings, reflecting all kinds of emotions, mental processes, behaviors, Lusts, and that's completely appropriate. What isn't appropriate, is a Top/Dom forcing a guy to do X act without any previous negotiation. Neither is it appropriate for a bottom to expect X without communicating that act to the Top in a respectful and honest way. From the lowest common denominator to the most elevated Mating, without the respect for the other guy, we give up the opportunity for something special, and merely rut in each other - which is pervectly fine in and of itself. In the fuckjoints, when guys are lined up, Holes in the air inviting loads, it's clear what is anticipated, which is completely and enticingly appropriate. For anything more specialized, communication is required. We can't simply assume that whatever we want is going to be what the other guy wants. *which, in a nutshell, is: Always respect the other guy. Never be dishonest with the other guy. Conduct ourselves with integrity, and never harm the other guy without a very clear definition of what that "harm" entails. There's a lot more to it, but that's the foundational position.

(we can blame them for everything !!!)

Well, you have it figured out better than I did - so thanks. Even computerese is getting a bit more complex these days !!! The Clerics are probably behind it !!!

I think this is completely spot on. The rest of the post is too. There's a bit of a "divide" in those of us pre-universal use of electronic communications, and post. Frankly, I remember when Al Gore claimed to have "invented" the internet. While I'm at it, what's the "A" for in WTF? WTF = what the fuck, so what's the "A" stand for? Standing firmly rooted in the past, I remain VTY. 😄

Or ...... maybe they can't read in the first place.

Regarding the drugs: While it's true that this burg (Ft. Lauderdale) is soaked in drugs, there are places where there are guys that are focused on raw sex, not just the drugs. So I don't bother at all with the joints where I know I won't get what I want. I know there are some guys flying high in my favorite fuckjoint, but there are enough that a) aren't, or b) can still stay focused on getting a lot of Cock rutting in their Holes to make it worth while. While I feel somewhat sorry for all the guys that sink into that pit, I don't go to the backrooms or fuckjoints to feel sorry for them - I go there to Breed them. I don't go to those joints to interact in any intellectual / emotional way - I only want to Breed Holes. In the event lightening strikes in the darkroom at Slammer, then so be it. But I certainly don't expect it. By the way, I ran into Javier - that kid who's "daddy" would Breed him, and then take him out to the Ramrod, but disallowing him to take any loads while the "daddy" fucked whoever would take his dick. Turns out he left that "daddy", is living over by the local Homo Depot* with two other guys. Apparently two of the three have jobs, but there are always BreedCocks over there fucking whoever's there at the moment. Javier was taking a load when I saw him, so he caught up with me after that. Bought him a beer, heard all about how things have changed for the better for him, and was gratified to hear him thank me for helping him get out of that repressive relationship. And, of course - yes I did. But I'll be moseying over there one of these days to see how he's doing. That Hole is just my cup of cum ...... 😈 *this is not what anyone would call an affluent area ....

I think you're completely justified in venting, and you're hardly the only one in the same situation. Here's a potential solution: Now. I know a lot of guys don't live in places like Fort Lauderdale - sex (let alone our particular kind) isn't all that easy to get in a helluva lot of places - which is why the cruising apps are depended on so heavily in other parts of the country/world. That said, I got so tired of it all, that I made it a point to assemble a group of fuckbuds years ago when I still lived back North. Thus, there was a small "network" of guys - Tops & bottoms - the knew each other and had celebrated raw sex with each other. If you can establish a few guys in a similar fashion - get to know them, let them get to know you, trust each other, each guy is invited to bring new guys (once they know them), at some point you'll have a loosely-connected network of guys who need what you need - raw sex. Since each guy also has sex with other guys, there may be a relatively reliable inflow of fresh meat. Four or five initial guys can turn into eight or ten. The Breeding Group can be as tightly or as loosely organized as the group wants it to be. And then, you can just ditch the apps full of wannabees - pretenders - idiots, etc. No guy learns everything about a particular Hole with just one fuck. Repeats can be as much fun as the initial fuck. I'm still in contact with the guy I got through covid with. He still texts me when he's got a hot Hole over there he knows I'll like. I still text him when there's a Hole at my place I know he'll like. It can easily be a month+ without any contact - we're fuckbuddies, not best friends - and that's the function we fulfill for each other. I still love Breeding him, and apparently so does he. The point is, each of us has met/fucked other guys via this very small (at first, just he and I) group of Breeders. Plus, it keeps all the action private and off the net - which is also apparently increasingly important these days. It might work for you - and you can forget about cruising in "bullshit-land".

Hey, guys - thanks for joining up. Hope you find BZ as much fun as the rest of us do !!!

And the reason is, protecting children is not the main focus. Repressing people that disagree with their heavily modified (some would say perverted) "religion"-based excuses to hate other folks is the main focus. Thus, forcing the corrupt belief-system many pinheads pretend to ascribe to - with the sole purpose of maintaining power - is the vehicle by which these people hope to continue squatting on top of the pile of human miseries their forefathers created, and which they continue to support.

Not much difference between the two that I can see; two sides of the same damn coin.

Since public schools don't teach civics anymore, I wonder if anything will get through. Dancing gayly through ignorance, assuming others will pick up the slack just won't cut it anymore.

None. I didn't even know guys could have sex together at that age. Thanks, religious inculcation garbage. That said, when I went away to school, my eyes (and my pants) were opened in short order, and I haven't slacked off one bit since.

Well, I'm a paragraph or two over 60, and I've found that there are tons of younger guys that love the skill that comes with decades of experience. Youth and beauty (and sexual libertinism) are fine, but I particularly enjoy bottoms that have been wallowing in the pigpen for a few years even more.

That was as well-reasoned an explanation as anyone could ask for. I can't say I get why some guy somewhere would want to bother himself messing up some other guy's account; after all, this site is a lot of fun, but - it's not a flesh-n-blood entity. Nothing out there in the ether is - only the discourse is. When some genius invents a computer that we can actually get our Cocks into and fuck guys, that might be a pig of a different color, as the old saying goes.

Thanks for the kind words. Actually, I did have the perfect husband, and we had 30 years together. But, he passed a few years ago. It's asking a lot of the Universe to get something like him twice, so I'm not "on the hunt", as the saying goes. If it happens, great. If not, that's fine too. As to the "slutty" quotient, I suppose what I love doing could be defined that way, and that's fine with me. I can accept a suitable compliment gracefully. 😉

I can't really say sexual acts I indulge in make me feel "sluttier" than any others. Depending on how we're defining the term, I've been practicing "slutty" behavior virtually all of my adult life - and I really love it, to the point I have imposed a restriction on sating my Lusts, in that I only go out on weekend nights (with rather few, occasional exceptions). I want to allow anything to exert undue influence in my life. We all get to choose how we structure our lives, and that's how I handle it. I'd use a different word/phrase though: something like 'free from repression' - 'following my chosen path' - 'honest celebration of who and what I am' - each of which would almost certainly mesh nicely with the sobriquet "slutty". I've been called all kinds of things, most of which only pour gas on the fire. Call me anything - except late for supper or the orgy.

I couldn't agree more. Great discussion on this thread by all of you guys. Thanks !!!

On behalf of my Top brothers, regardless of their most inappropriate behavior - most likely rooted in lack of confidence, perhaps even inferiority - I apologize on their behalf. I well know that some Tops just never think with anything but the "little" head. Keep trying - we're not all like that !!

You're right, of course. When rules/laws are slanted to favor one subset of the population, it follows that said rules/laws act unfavorably upon other subset(s) of the population. No one could legitimately argue against this obvious injustice. Progress may be slow, but - as a First-Class American once said: The moral arc may be excruciatingly long, but it does bend towards Justice ..... or something like that 😉

Thanks, Kayne, for your most interesting perspective. The way I see it, the above-referenced "resurrection" is indeed quite literally the case. While the Civil War put an end to the actual depravity of slavery, Reconstruction eventually failed, and those who squatted on top of the cultural pile in the South at the time managed to preserve much of the old ways via the corruption worshipped as The Lost Cause. There were a number of reasons; exhaustion from the bloodletting, Andrew Johnson, etc etc. But the result is, the amelioration has never been sufficiently addressed, down to this day. I don't think there is anything these "white supremacists" will not do - accept - foment - in order to preserve this hideous heritage. They have perverted their so-called religion to serve their own selfish needs, they are currently holding elected office almost everywhere, and gladly extending their perversions to the electoral processes. There is quite literally nothing they would shrink from doing to cling to these "old power structures". I wish I could agree that this hatemongering was indeed on "life support". Unfortunately, I don't see that light at the end of the tunnel yet. Never the less, hope springs eternal, right?

You were indeed lucky. The best part of your response though, is the implication that in the future, you'll negotiate that particularly delicious kind of play well before entering into it. I've gone into how to do this (the negotiation) in previous threads elsewhere on BZ, so I won't go into it all over again. Not all that many men love this kind of play, so consider yourself a little bit "specially gifted".

The only other suggestion I would have is to ask one of the moderators. You'll get a proper answer.

I completely concur. Having lived through that cultural repression, I know how it feels to be scared into believing that plate of shit in the first place, but then being able to overcome that unnatural, unhealthy belief-system, recognize it for what it is, and push the flush-lever on the toilet. Organized Religion is the enemy of Freedom. It is the enemy of our "whole-ness" - meaning all humankind - not just us. It it the enemy of rational thought, and has crushed the intellectual abilities of untold numbers of human beings through the millennia. We humans are perfectly capable of discerning how Spirituality can improve our lives - or not. We don't need ancient institutions to do it for us. We don't need re-interpretations of honorable belief-systems of a couple of thousand years ago, but now perverted into vehicles of political repression. All we need is our intellectual curiosity, and sufficient motivation to delve into the subject with the platitudes of O.R. flushed from our minds. I do feel badly about something I did many years ago (not in a sexual context), and it bothers me far more than the fact that I am completely irreligious now. As far as I'm concerned, the clerics can shake their sticks and rattle their bones till the cows come home, and it affects me not one whit.

I'm not an attorney, yet I have read fairly substantially what you're referencing. No, I do not agree with what passes for "reasoning". More, if I don't have an intellectually honest contribution to make, I don't make one. There is no "rule" for the SCOTUS, which is why their own personal belief-systems are able to be translated into law. Fortunately however, Congress can override their politically-inspired errors. The traditions which restrained the Justices in the past have, in large part dissipated, leaving them to relieve themselves of the responsibilities formerly honored, in favor of their own personal beliefs. The conservative Justices "mock" themselves as well as the institution. They mock the traditions that formerly held the Court in check. They mock century-old 'correctly decided, standing law'. I merely reference the obvious. Clearly, today they do. Former Courts did not come anywhere near as close to politically inspired decisions as the Roberts Court has. I quite agree that this is enough, since we'll probably not come to agreement. More, I hope your pussy gets what it needs.