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No doubt it was, butt then, You are the quintessential Man/Top. No flattery there, i really think that's an accurate statement. To me, You embody the desires/needs of a 'pure' Top//Man Who has cultivated and developed as a Person as well, having understanding and consideration of others, especially those who need/want You, and those You have the Strength and Power to want and need. Men like You help make life an excellent and fulfilling experience. ❤️

Maybe they're Buddhist and living in the moment, and that moment passed? Seriously though, i hear you. Online enables invisibility and removes a lot of social accountability that has evolved over time. Online interaction is an 'interesting' element of social evolution. i think the invisibility and lack of accountability serve to expose a persons true substance, or lack of the same. i think it's always been true that our real self is the person we are when no one is looking.

LMAO, yeah, sigh. i think some of the guys who ask for "reimbursement for gas" are homeless and don't even have a car. i have experience where a homeless guy was using hook up aps to find a place to crash overnght. He let it slip that he needed a decision before a certain time because that's when the shelter locked it's doors for the night. Re contacting someone 1000 miles away, depends on the venue. Some sites are obviously hook up, others are dating or meeting sites. i'm surprised when i see profiles of guys on a hook up site saying they are not looking for a hook up, but for "the love of their life" or "ltr." i guess a few of those are naive, but legit, mostly that just screams "SCAMMER ALERT" to me. On the other hand, i see the opposite where guys ramped up on testosterone will use a dating or meeting site for hook ups and treat guys looking for relationship like they stepped off another planet or are asexual, which in the gay world is tantamount to having the plague. i think the essential social policy should be: "When in Rome...." vs taking our own ethnocentricity and applying it universally. A hard call sometimes because the lines are not always clear.

The only hotel pump and dumps i have done were in Palm Springs at a gay resort, but that's kinda different. i leave my door ajar, window shade open and just enough soft lighting so that a Man looking will be able to see my lying ass up ready to receive Him. i've had some great experiences doing this and there's never any worries about security or 'getting caught' because it's a gay resort. Otherwise, if i'm feeling the need locally, i just go to an ABS. i've always gotten the most cock and cum quickly in an ABS venue. i've had 5 cocks in less than 30 minutes, can't imagine that at a hotel. Again, the security issues you have at a hotel don't really exist in the ABS venue. The laws where i live (Oregon) make it legal to have sex in these places, the "booth" is equivalent to a hotel room by legal interpretation. The local ABS where i live shares a parking lot with the State Police lol, gotta love that. i guess the one exception would be Las Vegas. i've actually had success using an ab in Vegas. The hotels are so large, purposely designed to keep people there. The sheer size of the hotel and the atmosphere of Vegas pretty much ensures there's gonna be horny Men in need. i've used hook up aps and left my door ajar in Vegas and had pretty good success. Otherwise, most of my sex has been at home. i had a lot of success when CL was around. Would post an ad and when a Guy would respond, i'd do a similar text set up as the OP. i'd give cross streets and then tell them to text me when they are there for the address. my house is a perfect set up, they come in a back door and are in my bedroom where i'm waiting ass up. Never encountered a problem doing this, except for flakes, and have had 100's of Men this way. Since CL is gone, i don't really do it anymore, i don't have success with quantity with the aps, much easier to go to an ABS for quantity.

total bottom here, so only getting applies to me. i don't like mean, forceful or bullying, and frankly, it's not necessary. For a guy to force me to take His cock would be a total disconnect because i want it lol. All He has to do is express need or desire and He's opened me. As to primal passionate fucking? Hell yeah. After a lifetime of receiving Mens penetration, cock, orgasm, seed, my hole is pretty much conditioned for that. i have a regular FB who alternates between pounding the fuck out of me while affectionately kissing my shoulders, and that drives me wild. If He gets verbal asserting how much i need and want Him and telling me to 'take' His cock, all the better, He's right. i do not perceive any mean intent though, just primal passion, and that is awesome, to me it's an expression of extreme need/desire to fuck and breed, and i have the same reciprocating need/desire to be fucked and bred, so it's symbiotic for me.

guessing WTAF= What the actual fuck?

lol, and simultaneously outed myself. i didn't get that insight from google lol.

Mostly, i think it's the venue: "online." Many of us lived and connected sans computers. We have rational and emotional memories and, probably, neuro pathways firmly established in our brains of how stuff should go. Online is different. For better or worse, online interaction does not follow all the same 'rules' that face to face does, so it can be frustrating and even confusing when we expect the same behaviors online as we have cum to know and love when we were meeting IRL. Add to that, we have a whole new generation of people who may not have much reference for what we are frustrated about because this is all they have ever know. Likely our complaints sound a little like: "get a horse" to them. meanwhile, i feel ya. i love the written word and i often have to edit my profiles to remove the venting against guys who write little or no profile. Drives me crazy, and not in a good way.

i could speculate about how a Top or versatile guy might respond, but i can only experientially speak from the physical and psychological position of a total bottom. i suspect a lot of what you are experiencing is being a bottom, stuff that all bottom guys experience, mixed in with the added element of being FTM. Every individual is going to respond individually to you, so it would be impossible to parse out if guys are responding to you as bottom or FTM, combination reasons, ad infinitum. i dated a FTM person for awhile, they ended up breaking if off because things didn't work sexually between us. i would have kept the relationship and just modified it as more platonic, but for them is was an all or nothing need/desire. i recently had another relationship end with a guy who was born with all the exterior parts, identified as "top" with me, but had ED and was not able to use his cock to fuck and breed. That is something i need baseline sexually to be fulfilled. Again, i love the guy and would have just altered our relationship to be platonic, but just like the other guy, he needed/wanted all or nothing. Interestingly, He is really turned on by FTM. He was looking for devices for me to wear, that MTF wear, because He loved the idea of me having two pussies. He was always pushing in on my penis, trying to make it look like a pussy and was sorta obsessed with that. That was a psychological kink that worked for both of us, but it could not replace or substitute for my need/desire to be penetrated and inseminated physically. For me, both were pretty much the same kind of relationship, and the issues that defined and ended the relationships came down to was sexual incompatibility. i always have the basic physical sexual need, as a total bottom, of being penetrated and inseminated by a Man. i have all sorts of kinks that, if i find Someone with compatible kinks, can really enhance a relationship. But none of those kinks are absolute sexual needs for me. Being penetrated by 'cock' and inseminated are sexual needs for me. my sexuality goes way beyond physical, and i think that's true for most, though a lot of guys don't explore or talk about the psychological side of sex. For me a Mans cock goes beyond the physical. Some guys are confused (and some totally get and love it) when i explain that, while i have a penis, i do not have a 'cock.' To me, "cock" is what a Top Man uses to penetrate and breed with, and i do not do either. This is where it gets more complex, beyond physical (for me). For me, a Man also has an inner cock that drives His physical cock. I.e., He has the need/desire to penetrate and inseminate (and much more). For me, that can take various forms. For instance, i have experienced a Man penetrating and pissing inside of me. That can get really close to fucking and breeding with semen for me. It's not the same because a big part of my psychological need/desire is to have a Man orgasm inside of me, which of course doesn't happen with piss. Still, there is a release/relief that happens that approaches orgasm for some Men. For me, i have found i need some basic things from sex: i need/want a Man to penetrate me, leave something physical of Himself inside of me (e.g., semen, piss, ______), and have a form of pleasure or release, i.e. orgasm or the relief/release He gets from pissing. i can imagine creative ways a FTM can do that, but for it to work for me, i'd have to experience both inner and outer "Cock" from Him. i've been with guys who physically fucked me with their penis, but "cock" was not all there. i've had Men use their finger or tongue or dildo or_________, and Their inner cock was so present, that what they were using became "cock" for me. It wasn't complete, but had elements. Sex is complex and wonderful, eh?

Ditto Viking8x6. There are not a lot that i know of. But here's one that is poz focused and accepting. [think before following links] https://personals.poz.com

Ditto BootmanLA. my brain went a similar direction. i concur that most of the factors one considers, if or when getting a fuck machine, are going to be personal vs universal. i'll toss in my thoughts and considerations to the discussion. i have a fuck machine, and have had it several years. i've used it maybe a dozen times? Toys in general are not a great choice for me. i do not use them on my self and have rarely ever used them with another Man/man. That gets into why i have sex, and again is a "personal" consideration. If one gets off on just the physical aspect of penetrating or being penetrated, a fuck machine is definitely a hybrid dildo that can provide some intense penetration and fucking. For me, the missing element is the Man doing the fucking. Physically speaking: skin on skin is missing. Psychosexually, it sort of depends. WIth some who use toys, you can feel that they are connected to whatever they are using, and it becomes an extension of Their desire. With others, using an object can feel mechanical and disconnected. Chances are, if you like to use a dildo on yourself, or you like your partner to do so, you'll love a fuck machine. Practically speaking, when you start looking at them, you'll find a lot of them out there (hello China), but only a couple of basic designs. Some horny carpenter got creative one day and turned his reciprocating saw into a 'fuck machine." lol, when i was younger, more than a few actual tools ended up inside my ass. A lot of the fuck machines out there are repurposed reciprocating tools, or are based on that design. Those have a shorter stroke though. Here's examples of the two basic designs (i have the first one): 1. With legs [think before following links] https://www.amazon.com/Hismith-Premium-Machine-Intellgent-Controlled/dp/B083VX56MY/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1LCFL3DTIGETJ&keywords=fuck+machine+attachments&qid=1671276961&sprefix=fuck+machine+attachments%2Caps%2C130&sr=8-5&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.c3015c4a-46bb-44b9-81a4-dc28e6d374b3 2. Without legs/platform [think before following links] https://www.amazon.com/Traveler-Frequencies-Vibrator-Portable-Thrusting/dp/B07VDDBHB1/ref=sr_1_15?crid=1LCFL3DTIGETJ&keywords=fuck+machine+attachments&qid=1671276961&sprefix=fuck+machine+attachments%2Caps%2C130&sr=8-15&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0 3. Sample of universal attachments [think before following links] https://www.amazon.com/Traditional-Machine-Machines-Attachments-Masturbation/dp/B07MGNQ2FT/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1LCFL3DTIGETJ&keywords=fuck+machine+attachments&qid=1671276961&sprefix=fuck+machine+attachments%2Caps%2C130&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.006c50ae-5d4c-4777-9bc0-4513d670b6bc A couple of practical things i'd consider are: Size. Not of the dildo. Most machines will have the option of interchangeable dildos (see links above). Again, most use repurposed items. In this case, i've seen fast attachments used for compressor air tools used for that function. There's two basic designs, as seen in the links above, with multitude variations on those designs. Those that look like repurposed reciprocating saws, and then those that look like they were designed to fuck from the get go. i discovered size matters for a few reasons. Some are hand held, so those have the positioning and stability of the person holding the machine. If not, the machine will have to be positioned somewhere to get between your legs and into your ass. Sounds basic, but it really isn't. The weight and versatility of a live body fucking will never compare to a stationary machine. The legs and wires all have o go somewhere and be accommodated. Are you on a bed? The bed is not a stable surface to be placing a machine on and the weigh of the machine is never going to equal the weight of the guy getting fucked. Keep in mind, your attached to the machine via your asshole lol, unless there is someone else controlling the machine, the guy getting fucked is usually gonna be the 'dom' just by virtue of him weighing more. Bottom line there is, try to imagine how and where you will use it, then try to be practical about it. Will it really work that way or is it just a fantasy that will be hard or impossible to accomplish in reality. Again, if we're talking using this solo, it's a machine you'll have to place and adapt your body to vs it actually adapting to and fucking you. Essentially, your topping and riding the machine.

We are so on the same page with this, i'm just broadening this beyond my own cultural ethnocentricity. i was mind blown after reading "Infidel" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali,. where she journals her journey through and out of fundamentalist Islam. While reading her autobiography, i was struck by all the similarities between her religious cultural influences and those in US fundamentalist Christianity. So much of the same script, just different characters/actors Speaking of Mormonism, "Educated" by Tara Westover is another expose' of the poison that is fundamentalism. Great discussion, thanks for your salient contributions.

i think the mind fuck goes beyond the Christian religion and has it's underlying cause in fundamentalism. i see the same effect in other 'conservative' forms of religions like Islam and Orthodox Judaism, for instance. As i see it, the "mind fuck" comes from people who are convinced they can read a book and know what "God" thinks/wants. The result is a shift from belief to "knowledge." Even science, in it's purest form admits that the results of research are what we 'know' so far. Science allows for questioning, fundamentalism does not. Fundamentalists are absolutists who assert and equate their rhetoric with "God," and that is what gets conditioned into people. When one violates the rhetoric, the feeling is (e.g. guilt, shame, fear) they are not going against a belief system, they are going against "God." One can assess, examine, analyze a belief system, but that gets tricky (read: "impossible") when one has to apply the same approach to an invisible entity. Humans rely on senses for input, science allows for our humanity, so it's reasonable approach to discovering what is. Fundamentalism uses something similar, but relies on a written document that supposedly records past events where people experienced "God" with their senses. But unlike science, continued fundamentalist religious belief does not require that the stuff in their scriptures be replicated and demonstrated as accurate.

10m minutes ago. my FB, He just finished working out at the gym and felt horny, so now i'm full of His cum. He makes me moan a lot. Happy Tuesday.

Good point. Size does not matter to me as much as the energy and 'inner cock' of the Man behind it. That said, the one advantage i find for a longer cock is when He breeds with piss or cum, He can deposit His seed past the sigmoid curve (aka "second hole"). Pretty much any experienced bottom know that is where water gets trapped during clean out, so i alway use a dildo or long douche nozzle to make sure i have no trapped water. A Man who understands how to get past the curve with His cock, especially when He is planting HIs piss or seed, is FUCKING AWESOME because that is where a bottom can absorb Him. If He plants in the rectum, that is not an absorptive organ and sooner or later His seed will leak out. i was playing when i said "studies show that holes stitch," butt they do. And really, to me that is a big part of the point of fucking. Part of the way a Man/Top breeds a bottom is by molding and opening the bottoms hole. i do not have the same hole i had when i was less experienced. Men have put Their mark and signature on me by opening and shaping my hole. For me, it's a dual effort, i present and receive, He penetrates and shapes my hole for Him and future Cock. i have had a slink in me that was 20" long. To me, it's not the size that matters, or is to long, it is how the opening and penetration happens. To me a hole can be as opened as it needs to be to accommodate a Mans cock and seed.

Studies show that holes stretch.

Fucking Hot. i used to get a lot of truck stop sex, haven't in some time because there aren't any very active stops near me now. i've never been fucked in a sleeper cab, always wanted to though, it's always been in the restroom or outside on the edges of the rest stop at night in the dark. Pretty hot to receive cock bent over a picnic table 🙂

addendum for those interested; like a lot of total bottoms, i always wanna hold onto the seed a Man plants in me, i never shoot it back out and don't want someone eating it out of me once it's there lol. This is where i find cock size does make a difference. When a Man has a longer cock and breeds past the sigmoid curve (aka "the second hole"), i have found that i absorb His cum... which makes sense because it goes into the colon. When it doesn't get past that curve and stays in the rectum, it doesn't get absorbed and eventually makes its way out :-( This morning, i got up to pee after holding last nights deposit for >12 hours, and as i stood on my tile bathroom floor, all at once His load slid out and onto the floor. It impressed the fuck out of me, was a 4 inch solid puddle of cum. He tells me He often cums 2 or 3 times while fucking me, but i can never tell because He is one of those Tops who keep fucking when He has an orgasm. But wow, there is was, that was a lot of cum. Probably had some of my juices mixed in, but i was still impressed. Whatta Stud!

i have not been post pandemic, and my understanding is the bath house has been remodeled. In Portland OR there are two, Steam and Hawks, i've been to Hawks Hawks "dark room" (last i went) was more of a walk in closet, and wasn't dark. it had one of those doors made of plastic strips painted, but still let in lots of light. They'd have "light out" night weekly i believe, but it wasn't dark at all, just more like dusk lol. They had a disco ball somewhere high up on the ceiling, and that's the extent of "dark." To me, the whole idea of a "dark room" is it's a sort of universal blind fold, removing the visual element of attraction and sex. That doesn't happen when i've been to "lights out" at Hawks.

i think it might help to distinguish between physical and psychological, even though there is overlap/connection between the two. Physically, there is a refractory period, here's some info on that: "It all has to do with the changes in your body that occur after you have an orgasm. Post-ejaculation, “your penis becomes flaccid from neural signals telling your body to relax," explains Jamin Brahmbhatt, MD, Urologist at Orlando Health and Assistant Professor at UCF College of Medicine. "Dopamine and testosterone levels drop, and prolactin [a hormone produced by your pituitary gland] rises." Elevated prolactin levels post-ejaculation could play a role in your inability to get it up again. "Increased prolactin and subsequent lower testosterone is like a double whammy affecting your sex," says Brahmbhatt." [think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/a19524569/refractory-period/ Psychologically is more complex, or individual, i think. There are culturally, and other, conditioned psychological generalities we could identify, but our psychological experience and response to our environment is individual. For instance, i grew up during an era when being gay was generally considered to be "sick, perverse, etc.." Add to that that i also grew up in a conservative religious culture that considered being gay as "sinful, broken, rebellious against 'God', etc.." So there was a double force conditioning me against who and how i am. i can look back and see how, when and why i built my own proverbial "closet." i had a lot of garbage to walk through before i got out of that landfill and into open, free country (so to speak). Even though things have changed vastly socially, there are still a lot of overt and subtle influences against being gay or bi, and it's often the subtle ones that affect us most i think, the ones the fly under the radar. i think guys have it a little harder when dealing with the psychological side of life. Part of most guys cultural conditioning is "women are emotional, guys are rational." Yeah, i'm way oversimplifying it, but generally speaking, i think culture has conditioned guys against being in touch with their emotions. Guys have the same emotional brain centers as women, denial doesn't change the fact that both sexes have an amygdala. Yes, thee are differences, but there are also similarities. Bottom line is, it's harder to deal with something if one is in denial of even having those things to deal with. Sorry, getting into the weeds here. Where i am going is, in my experience (for what anecdotal vs science is worth), it took time and a lot of processing for me to see and understand the affects of cultural conditioning on how i felt. Once i did that though, and reached a place of not only rational but emotional self acceptance, i haven't experienced a second of guilt or shame sense. For me, the key was finally grasping that my ideas about "God" were conditioned, not fact. Once i truly grasped that, the change was instant. i didn't rebel against my condtioning, i saw through it, honestly and really and i was, subsequently, free and at peace.

i take a casual approach at first, just to feel the Guy out. Some guys are turned off by piss, and the last thing i want to do is turn a Man off. Look for profiles where Guys come right out and say they are interested in WS, lot's of sites have that option in "preferences." Not everyone can piss on demand, some are shy about it. If it's a one time hook up, probably going to have more success knowing ahead of time if they are into it. Some are going to be interested, but have no experience, so may not be able to piss 'on demand.' If it's a fuck buddy, i see a lot more potential. WS is in a category by itself as far as i'm concerned, though it does have overlap with other stuff, i think thee is som unique, deep mind fuck connection to be had with WS, and that is not usually something that happens in a one time hook up... unless the hookup has experience. i think most guys are lust driven, so once they get past the culturally conditioned barriers against piss, their lust takes over and says the limit.

i'm not anywhere near a 'gym rat,' at least, i don't think i am? i've always been a group exerciser vs solo. Did martial arts most of my life, then Bikram yoga, both of which are sort of social exercising. i am lousy at doing exercise solo. But then, last March i started going to the gym. i do what i call my: "skinny white boy routine," just some legs, chest, arms, but the focus is gluts. Hey, i'm a total bottom and want my ass to scream: "fuck me." Okay, i want it to at least have a voice. Here's the thing; for the first time in my life, i am doing exercise (every other day) solo. There is the motivation to be appealing to Men, but i'd say at least half the motivation has been watching all the Men at the gym. i don't know why i never thought of this, but seeing all the hot Men really helps me get through my routine and actually get me to go to the gym. It isn't really social for me, not interacting other than a nod and a "hi" here and there. Just watching Men work out and admire Their bodies is really a big part of the experience for me. So i'd say it's about half and half. i go to the gym to work on my own appearance, but the other half is watching Men work on Their appearance. Curious about other's experience/thoughts/feelings?

i think that's beautiful. Parr of my psychological wiring, which i feel i see in a lot of 'bottoms,' is this very thing. A lot of (not all) bottoms don't want to cum (i don't) during sex with a Man. For me it's both physical and psychological. Honestly, i think sex always has a psychological element to it, but we are not always cognizant of that? For me, one of the most profound things that can happen in sex with a Man is what i consider as a shared orgasm. For me, this is very real. When a Man has an orgasm in me, and i feel we have had that form of symbiotic sex i mentioned, it is as if His orgasm becomes my orgasm. I.e., instead of us both having a separate orgasm, we have a shared orgasm. For me, this idea and approach can have profound ramifications on the Top/bottom dynamic... ventures into D/s. But more and more i find i can derive a similar satisfaction from receiving a Mans orgasm into me that meets that need/desire in me for an orgasm, where i do not feel the need to have one on my own, or an orgasm that originates from me.

Right? Saying: " the top does what he wants and is satisfied" can 'sound' different on paper than IRL to me. For me, Top and bottom are positional references, not status, thought i do experience a bit of status mind fuck in the T/b dynamic. For me, compatibility is essential for satisfaction to occur and sustain. i think that happens pretty naturally and automatically, at least on a crude level, when a Top and bottom get together (the devil can be in the details though). To me, the more mature Tops are concerned about a bottoms satisfaction as much as the bottom is about the Tops. i think confusion comes in when we assume that the bottoms satisfaction doesn't matter. i see this idea from both Tops and bottoms. i do not think it's a question of a bottoms satisfaction not mattering, just that a bottoms satisfaction derives differently. Speaking for myself, i need/want to please my Man/Top as an intrinsic part of sex. But is seems circular to me, my read is Tops/Men also need/waant to please/satisfy the bottom as well, that is affirms His value and postition just as much as with the bottom, it just happens in an opposite way. It's a little mysterious to me, but i'm convinced the best connection/sex is symbiotic. Right there with you re drinking from the tap. For me, it's a connection that has unique elements. i think there's a definite D/s element in Top/bottom, Breeder/breedee, but WS has a whole other psychological layer that, for me, can make it a deeply intimate connection in a way cum does not. i think there's a general built in valuing of semen as seed, whereas piss is generally seen as waste. For one man to want and receive another Mans waste, and also the lesser relief vs the more intense release from orgasm, can speak to a overall desire/need from both Top and bottom to connect and bond . For me, one of the more erotically satisfying draws i have is the mind fuck part both Top and bottom can experience venturing into degradation/humiliation. It's sort of magical to me when it happens based on mutual lust/need vs being a forced or mean act that is focused on superiority/inferiority. Hard to articulate what occurs, but it can be intense and wonderful.

Just left... my regular FB, awesome Man. Fuck. Wore a jock, never quite know how to present with Him, He's not very vocal, but He is very physically expressive. Said my ass looked "so hot" which is all i need to hear. Wore a yellow jock, pretty sure He doesn't know the code though lol. He had to piss before and when He came back to bed i told Him He needs to try doing that inside of me sometime. i did drink piss from His cock one time after He bred me, He always showers after before going home, so i got in the shower and kneeled and drank from His cock. Wasn't sure how much He was into it, so i don't post... it's imprortant to me that my Top only does what He really gets into, to me His lust and need is half the fuck. He kisses my back and shoulders and i swear i almost came this time from that. The energy behind that drives me wild. Damn i feel so fucking good.