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I appreciate the distinction and correction here, i should have put a qualifier in front of the word "sex." i agree that sex is not harmful in and of itself, but can be made harmful depending on lots of different factors. Your contributions don't t strike me as a 'ramble,' i think you add some great thoughts to the discussion. Particularly i appreciate your thoughts on how "Society vilifies things outside of their defined societal norms and values - deviation from these are by definition deviant." Indeed! Ethnocentricity can apply to sex as much as any other topic. "Society" is a cultural construct, eh?, and 'norms' are often not based on evidence (i find it hard for one to be gay and not be aware of this). Many in some religious circles still consider "gay" and "pedophile" synonymous. Laws supposedly written to protect can be used for violence in the hands of the violent, and some laws are simply wrong. i was arrested in 1998 for asking and undercover 'vice cop' if he wanted to fuck me. He was pretending to be gay as part of his job to entrap. i was then charged with a felony based on a 100 year old 'sodomy' law. 1998 was not that long ago. The judge, thankfully, literally laughed at the notion of it being a felony, but the prosecutor wanted my blood. The then attorney general of VA was of the same religious ilk that the last US vice president was from, and believed gay people to be 'deviant.' i think there are many who have never come up against a sector of culture like this. Many do not realize how, even in the year 2021, many believe that "God" is gonna send all gay people to hell. Many have beliefs where they think they would be doing "Gods" will to imprison (and worse) gay people. Yet, this same religious culture has stories in it's book (the bible) about taking a young girl and putting her in bed with bible hero King David in his old age to 'keep him warm.' It's often not so much the act that is frowned upon, but who is doing it. A lot of the age bias undercurrent in portions of our society is directed at gays.

i appreciate this well thought out reply. Society battles an age old dilemma of letter of the law vs spirit of the law. Laws are of course necessary, but courts exist for the purpose of interpreting those laws. Black and white simply does not work in the colorful, real world. i think a lot of gays have residual internalized homophobia that inclines towards seeking some semblance of acceptance from culture/s that still consider gay as perverse, so one latches onto anything that will 'prove' we're 'okay' (am talking about so much more than age considerations here). The emphasis should be on promoting protection of the individual, and that cuts both ways protecting 'innocence' and also protecting volition. The freedom to choose goes two directions, so kids (people) can only benefit from being informed about things like critical thinking and their right to say either "yes" or "no." i think a system that tests or measures an individuals ability to make decisions would be more fair and inclusive, but will probably never happen... it's just too complicated. So, a random age is picked and applied universally, whether it fits or not. The truth of it is, there are tons of people who endure sexual harm after they turn 18 (or what ever the magical socially determined age happens to be). The day before their 18th birthday one is protected as a child, the day of their birthday, it all changes. It's silly really, it takes no account of the individual. One can be harmed by sex at any age. Age is only one factor, not the only factor in determining maturity or competence.

Ditto what ErosWired wrote. For me, the primary point of bareback is to connect completely with another guy. For me, a condom is a barrier to complete connection. If a guy is fucking you for any length of time, as Eros points out, you're gonna get precum, even if he pulls out when he cums. i suppose if each gets into stuff like facials, there's still a 'connection' happening, but it doesn't work for me. i am deeply disappointed if a guy pulls out when he cums. It's not just the cum for me, it's the complete orgasm. i want him to have and release his full pleasure/orgasm into me. For me, His orgasm becomes mine in that sense, there's a transference where he 'impregnates' me with a part of himself. As for 'cleaning jazz out of' my hole. Hell no! i hold it in and absorb it. i want to keep that part of my top and let it become a part of me. lol, i guess y'all can see i've thought about this.

Hey Guys, just an update to anyone following this. The diabetes thing got my attention. i've always been pretty good with diet never been beyond a 'normal' BMI in my life. i got really strict with my diet after getting an A1c of 7.2 , in February 2021, which is officially diabetic. i am specially educated in reversing certain diseases through diet, type 2 diabetes among them (DM2), so went total Whole Food Plant Based Diet with no added oil (WFPBDNO), with a few cheat meals. For the most part, no animal and kept my daily fat intake under 20grams (fat is what causes DM2). i got another A1c two months later and had dropped it to 6.3, which is pre-diabetic. i stayed on the Biktarvy after talking with my ID doctor, and retested undetectable on all counts. Doesn't look like the BIktarvy was an issue for me, and i'm glad, it has a good record as a med and i have no issues with it from my labs.

One of the things i find challenges the process of meeting, or even just hooking up, is guys who are not specific. Another is guys who think their standards are universal. Specifics? Guys who write nothing about their self, desires or needs in their profile or when writing back and forth. Their profile says something like: "just looking for fun," or: "looking for a hot time," or "looking for hot guys, " or "must be handsome." i'm bemused by the number of guys who seem to think others automatically know and understand what their idea of each of those things is? Or worse, they assume their taste is universal? Another sort of variation on that theme is when guys say they are "great kissers," or "great cocksuckers," or ______________. i'm a cocksucker and say so, but i leave off the descriptor of "great" (or lousy lol) because i have sucked enough guys to know that each individual has a different idea of "great" or "lousy." Some like it hard, some like it soft, and the only way to know is if they find some way to communicate. Some think "great kissing" means swallowing your whole face, while others are more tentative and playful, i.e., some like it one way, others another way. i think some guys are afraid to reveal who they are and what they want or need. Others seem to believe others should just know? i know terms like Top, bottom, versatile are not perfect descriptors, but they are a starting place. i love guys who's profiles have details, guys who like to communicate before getting together. Personally, i think it's a waste of time to just get together with someone and "see what happens." lol, okay. done for now.

i typically don't pass up a chance to get penetrated.

Agreed, diet related disease does develop over a long period of time vs once infected by HIV, there's no reversal. On the other hand, that's a double edged sword. i probably had sex with >1000 guys before i contracted HIV. I.e., before being infected with HIV one is not adding to or building a chronic condition. Then there's the question about quality of life. Many would rather suffer the consequences of an unhealthy diet for the pleasure derived from what they eat, which has some comparisons to sex to me. Risk vs benefit and perceived quality of life. Then there's cost vs what is charged to factor into the equation: "A new gold-standard triple therapy for H.I.V. has just made its debut in Africa. It costs $75 a year. In the United States, many people with H.I.V. take an almost identical therapy. It costs $39,000 a year. The United States is infamous for its high cost of health care — and H.I.V. medicines are a big part of that. Plenty of drugs carry outrageous prices: EpiPens, insulin, cancer treatments, even some antibiotics. But no class of medicines is more scandalously expensive than for H.I.V. These medicines are by far the largest item in Medicaid’s drug budget, the third largest for the insurance exchanges and the fifth largest for commercial insurers." [think before following links] [think before following links] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/18/opinion/pricing-hiv-drugs-america.html

Ha, no not an apples with apples comparison (or meant to be), of course there are significant differences between eating cock and pizza. Though, since you mention things like cost and longevity, ongoing dependence on meds/intervention. Kidney failure is number 10 on the WHO list of top 10 diseases that cause death. It's largely a preventable vascular disease related to diet. Without diealysis, a person with kidney failure will die, it's not reversible either. Cost is about $72,000 a year (not counting the meds that often accompany renal failure), which is substantially more than HAART, two to three times more expensive.

As a bottom, the notion of 'average cock' never enters my mind. Sure, i notice size, can't help that, but it's not a criteria of selection or desire for me. "Cock" to me has come to mean so much more than an organ between a guys legs. For me it is even more a psychological make up, drive, need. To me, the things that define a "Top" are His desire/need to penetrate, inseminate, and in a very real sense, impregnate with Himself. And His 'self' is so much more that His penis. i have had FB's with little penises (like 3 inches), who i adored and could not wait to be bred by. They were the Yang to my yin. Opposites attract and can bond if the chemistry is there. i rarely have an ongoing thing with a versatile guy. i may like or love them, but they are versatile and sometimes flip into bottom mode. There have been exceptions, when a versatile guy understands i am total bottom and he knows to only contact me when He is in top mode. i swear i am not making this up: it's the size of a Top's need and desire to Top that has the most affect on me, not the size of His penis. i have had guys with smaller penises open me wide, physically and psychologically.

The lines sure seem to have blurred to me too. i think it may be that stereotypes are just not as solid as they used to be? There was a time when fem was equal to gay, but not anymore. Also, i've know more than a few guys in open marriages where their wives knew they were having sex with guys, it's possible they could be Bi and functionally straight and gay lol. i'm a nurse and there are a lot of male nurses where i work, and i swear i'm practically the only gay nurse, a profession that used to be stereotypically gay if you were a male nurse. There's a doctor where i work who has a gorgeous ass, definitely hits the gym, and is the standard for fashion at the hospital, right down to his socks. He is stereotypically 'gay,' married to a woman with two kids. i was crushing on this one doctor for a couple of years and then found out he was married to a woman. i had not seen him for awhile and came in one day to find 'he' had transitioned and was transexual. That gave me pause lol. There's another guy where i work who i suspected was flirting with me, but i always err on the side of caution. One day he dropped his keys and i pointed it out to him, he turned and gave me a big smile and said "that's because you had me so distracted." i've been tempted to pin him to the wall and kiss him on more than one occasion, but would prolly be dead wrong on my read of him. To me, the only way to know is to ask... and even then, i don't think you can be sure, just gotta take it at face value.

i do not think this is simple or black and white, especially from the scant information we have about this guy. The guy is an individual, not a stereotype. i don't get the impression from the OP that this guy was looking for sympathy, he might even consider it presumptuous and patronizing coming from people who do not know him. Depending on his age, he may very well have grown up and developed during a time when being gay was still considered a mental disorder. He could have been raised in a fundamentalist religion that conditioned him to believe that "God" hated who and how he is. i know plenty of guys caught in that web, equating the self loathing they feel with "God." It can be enormously difficult to reconcile the reality of being gay with a deeply condoned notion of "God." A lot of these guys are not pretending to be straight, or denying their attraction, that are trying to kill it because they have a fucked up emotional disposition that their 'God' hates gay. Or he could just be an asshole lol. We don't know. Some are old enough to have lived through a revolution where gay guys went from being entrapped, arrested and charged with a felony for asking a vice cop, posing as and cruising like a gay guy, if he wanted to have sex. Maybe his church tried to cast the demons out of him that he'd been conditioned from an early age to believe he had. Maybe he went from that era, got married believing he was sick and sinful and needed to change, to an era where two guys can now get married and have the same benefits (on paper) as straight people.

i love that you do this. Thank you.

lol, perspective, eh? HIV is not even in the top 10 causes of death. In many cultures there is stigma attached to eating cock, but very little, if any, stigma attached to eating the stuff that is the number one cause of death. There is a lot of cultural conditioning against sex, but the primary cause of death (i.e., eating unhealthy 'food') is promoted fairly universally.

Many make health decisions based on emotion, not evidence. Many do not even understand what scientific study evidence is or how to discern what constitutes a good study. 60 isn't exactly deaths door, if i was neg, i'd still be on PreP. But then, i am also Covid vaccinated and get a flu shot every year too. All these meds protect more than the person taking them, and sadly, this guy was ignorant. He was bragging about being HIV neg, not STI free, so he was obviously ignorant about PreP. i'm poz, on meds, undetectable. i get STI tested routinely when tracking my HIV status. i'm much less of a risk for STI's or HIV now than in was prior to being poz because i get tested a lot more often and am much more aware of my STI status. The vast majority of people in Western culture die or have chronic disease from what they put in their mouth (i.e., the 'food' they eat), not from what they put in their ass. The truth is, there is more risk from eating pizza than from taking cum.

Ditto what has already been said about hypnosis. That said, i love the idea of it. i'm really into subtle mind fuck, 'grooming.' i love subtle over overt, when a Top gets off on pushing buttons and a bottom opens up.

i think it depends on the individuals involved. From the responses, clearly their are guys who can be sexually sleazy and emotionally committed, while there are other guys who connect the two. It can be complex though, life is just not predictable or compliant with rules, even when we want to make it fit. i've been with complete strangers, walk in anonymizes breed, where i had to literally bite my mattress to keep from declaring my love for them while they were fucking and breeding me. Sometimes there is an inexplicable vibe and connection with a guy you did not reckon on, it just happens. i have guys who collared a piece of my heart years ago and still own it to this day. Even though we have had no contact. they have a leash on me and if they pulled on it, i'd respond.

i can think of one other reason to add to the list: guys who write their ad when they are super horny and feeling it, then do not change their ad/profile and are online with an ad they wrote when the would have taken any load.

Lol, right? It took awhile, but once it dawned on me, it was in my face.

Wow, some amazing stories and discussion in this thread, i am floored and saddened by many of them. Thank you to all the genuine participants, i am grateful for your openness, vulnerability. For me, that is the essence of 'sex' for me, the bond, connection that can happen when two guys are being real and exposed. i have never been raped. As a teen, a guy looking to be in his 30's picked me up in his car with some intent. It was a really strange experience. i was 15 and well aware of my attraction to guys, but i considered my desires and feelings wrong, so i was ambivalent at best, and mostly homophobic. He made up a story about wanting to know where the hospital was, that his wife was there. i started to give directions and he asked if i had the time to show him. i was a totally naive kid. His car was pretty beaten up, holes in the seats, a real beater. As we were headed towards the hospital, he pulled into an abandoned parking lot saying he wanted to smoke a joint before going. i was a religious kid, so my mind was on doing him a kindness, but i had been around a lot of drugs at that point because my older sister and her friends got stoned a lot, and i was sort of their mascot. So, while i didn't get stoned myself, i didn't think much about it. When he had parked, he told me that the joint was under my seat, so i went to retrieve it and he said, "no, i need for you to watch out for anyone, I'll get it." He was pretty elaborate and i was a completely naive idiot. His head was practically between my legs as he was 'looking for the joint' under the passenger seat i was sitting in. He told me it was "stuck" and put his hand on the seat between my legs and started pushing on the seat, ostensibly to shake it loose. He kept telling me not to look down at what he was doing, but to keep a look out, and his hand pushing against the seat between my legs started rubbing against my penis too, and i started getting hard. Suddenly, it dawned on me what he was doing and i turned red and was afraid, but i played along because i didn't want him to know i knew, i went into what for me was survival mode and told him i needed to go now, that i had somewhere i had to be. He tried to convince me, but i was gently persistent that i had to go. So he drove me back to where he had picked me up off the street i'd been walking on. He had to get out of the car to let me out because he'd apparently removed the interior handle to open the car door on the passenger side. After he let me out and drove off, me still pretending all was normal, the fear and simultaneous relief set in and i started shaking like a leaf, realizing i'd dodged a bullet. Yet, later, i masturbated remembering and replaying what had happened. i can trace my sub nature back as far as 7 years old. Retrospectively, i understand that before i learned how to hide who and how i was, i attracted what were probably dom boys who also didn't know who and how they were at that age, all the way into early teenage, and especially in an era where "gay" was still considered sick and deviant by the general population, never mind Dom/sub. i think a lot of dom kids expressed through being bullies, not knowing how else to act? And i was the constant victim of bullies till i was about 14 or 15. i moved from L.A. at 12 to a tiny resort town where the school only had about 12 boys my age. Every one, except one, bullied me daily, it was awful. i ended up having a crush on the one that didn't bully me. But i learned to hide my sub nature and by 14 had moved back to L.A. and was mostly left alone. i became very religious, mostly because i was ashamed about my attraction to guys and thought 'god' would help me change. As an adult, i started practicing martial arts and did so for about 25 years, and i know now that was compensatory on my part. When i started having sex with guys at 27 years old, i was almost always bottom. After being with >1000 guys, i can count on two hands the number of guys i have topped, and that was long ago. It wasn't until i divorced and accepted myself about 15 years ago that i started to understand my sub nature and put the pieces together. That's where a lot of my understanding of why and how i was bullied came in. i realize now, that before i learned how to hide my nature, it was like i had a target painted on my back and of course, the guys i attracted were naturally dom, but immature and as unaware and ignorant of their own nature as i was of mine. As an adult, having to work through all the bullying and the scars it left was hard enough. i cannot imagine having to process through rape, especially having a sub nature. To this day, i still do not respond to bullies. They have the effect of shutting my sub nature down, sending it into hiding. The few who have presumptuously tried to force me physically stopped really fast when i reacted as a martial artist. One guy went from being on top of me to being under me before either of us realized. It was instinct for me, but i could see the shock and fear in his eyes. my point is, i am still sub. i have been from as young as i can remember. But my sub nature only opens or responds to a certain type of Dom, and that is definitely not one who feels entitled. Submission is something i give, not something one takes from me, and the dance where that happens is complex and intricate. The physical part of it is there, but pales in comparison to the psychological side of it... for both me and my Dom. i think of force, rape, as often being distortions of Dom/sub nature.

i love that anything can be discussed in this community. Evolutionists theorize that attraction to youth and beauty is about survival, reproduction. Not really a factor when it comes to sex between guys. Do gay guys still have those instincts? i ran a marketing business for many years. It's common knowledge among sales people that buyers buy based on emotion, not reason. i think sex is probably similar. We can think and reason this out, but ultimately or choices about who to have sex with are not based on logic or reason, but complex emotions that we may not even be aware of, let alone understand. That's why i think discussions like this are fantastic and one of the reasons i love the BZ community. For me, sex is better when i it goes beyond the physical. Sex for me is about connecting with another guy. Penetration, insemination, even 'impregnation,' can be so much more than a physical act, it can be mental and emotional. It can be a deep experience of discovery of self and another, of connection and bonding. i think this discussion can be, in part, about not limiting our opportunities of experience due to bias, be they culturally condoned or otherwise.

? We're still learning about space travel too, but that has not kept science from getting us to the moon. It's likely we'll never know everything about anything, but that does not have to preclude efforts at progress.

To me a Cock is more than the organ between the legs., it’s also internal, so it depends for me. Like Eros, i don’t consider myself fucked if I dildo myself, or a machine, it has to have the desire and intent of a Top to qualify as fucking, but if that is present, even His pinky counts as a “cock”, dildo, enema, etc.

Obviously some guys are into this, but i don't get into being forced or bullied at all, it has the opposite effect on me. To me, any guy who has to use physical force doesn't know his real power. For me the most effective humiliation/degradation is what i perceive as "affectionate" or "matter of fact" behavior where the Top clearly understands the effect He has on His bottom and know how to elicit submission from him. For instance, piss. A top might force or bully a bottom to take his piss, but has he really gotten full submission? For me, the real power dynamic happens when a Top knows how to use His power and position to get the bottom to crave Him, His pleasure, in this case, His piss, to the point He will sincerely even beg for it. The Top can smile with understanding that He didn't just force His bottom to take something, but got His bottom to want and need it.

Thanks for the responses guys. i'm working on reversing the blood glucose with diet. There is some info that associates Biktarvy with diabetes 2 (DM2), and weight gain, what i haven't found is info stating which comes first. DM2 is caused by excess intracellular fat so wondering if the Biktarvy association is related to the increased weight/fat gain vs a direct correlation between DM2 and Biktarvy. my BMI has never been above normal, but when i am at the bottom end of normal, i loose trunk fat which is a marker for insulin resistance, so i'm in the process of losing that and working toward a lower BMI, especially reducing my fat ratio. my suspicion is that Biktarvy is not necessarily causative, but is a factor. Going to talk with my ID doc on Thursday and consider continuing and see if i can affect this through diet. my metabolic panel blood work is perfect, but i'm now detectable (85 copies on the HIV RNA Ultra test), and have not been for a long time, so that all by itself may necessitate a med change.

i started on Biktarvy about 11 months ago. i'm a nurse, so pretty experienced in assessing. i smelled sugar in my pee, so bought a glucometer on Amazon, and my fasting blood glucose was in the 120's-130's. i had upcoming labs for my routine HIV status screening and so asked my ID to add on an A1c (test for diabetes). It was 7.2 which officially makes me type 2 diabetic (DM2). i'm a tall guy and my BMI has never been over normal, though it has crept up to the top in of normal range. i did some searching and turns out Biktarvy does have some association with DM2. It's hard to know if it is causative, but looking suspicious and it does have a history. Anyone else run into this? i have an appointment with my ID this Thursday and anticipate a med change, i also tested in the detectable range as well, so i am questioning the Biktarvy. In my searches i have also found HIV meds with lamivudine (e.g. "Dovata") have some possible effect at reversing DM2, some have suggested it as a off label treatment for DM2. i have read mixed reviews on Dovata, but that's true about all meds. Plus, there are other meds with lamivudine. Interested in anyone else's experience with the HIV meds and new onset of DM2, if you made the connection and discontinued the med and reversed the DM2? Or any other info you care to share. Thanks guys.