tallslenderguy

Interesting. i appreciate your honesty. i don't really like the taste of piss either (but i fucking love the taste of it up my ass). Orally? i cannot disconnect the piss from the Top and i think i could be easily conditioned to love it because the idea of it drives me wild. i love that lusty look of satisfaction on a Tops face when He has His way with me, that's as good as an orgasm for me. better really

i love the discussions we have on this site, my pleasure to participate. These to me are great examples of ways a Dom or Top would end up collaring something psychological in me. For me, there is nothing more powerful than a Guy who gets. In my head vs using something like force, where it’s like He has found a place in me to collar and attach a leash. The example of Him talking quietly while looking in your eyes has a hypnotic feel to it that pulls me in completely. Being taken captive subtly is such a fucking show of confidence and power to me. pissing on me in His own bed has a balance in my mind too, but it even more sends a message to me that He is melding me with His territory, as if His pissing on me in His bed is uniting me with His territory, making me a part of it.

What "message" do you want it to "send" ? To read some of the posts here, there are guys who would get into this on both sides: i.e. from a 'Dom' side and from a 'sub' side. i confess there is something hot about it for me as well, but there is a line for me. i am not aroused by bullies or simply mean guys. i don't loathe myself and don't get into guys who loathe me and i don't relate to either side of those who are turned on or touched in some way by that. But there is a different place that is hard to explain, yet i have seen guys on both ends, giving and receiving, who obviously get it and are into it. So i know i am not unique in this. There is an affectionate humiliation that can be arousing to both the giver and receiver. i see piss as a powerful tool for a Dom or Top to exercise His lust and power to arouse through a sort of dominance and humiliation. i don't completely understand it, but how a Top pisses on a bottom can be a very powerful mind fuck. To me, just being mean isn't much of a mind fuck. It takes insight, power? for a Top to use His piss in a way that marks a bottom. To me the question becomes, how does the Top want to mark the bottom, or what kind of mark does He want to leave on/in the bottom? To me, the most powerful 'mark' is one that leaves a bottom bonded to the Top, and i see harm as the opposite of that. When a Top is fucking me and subtley pissing in me the whole time, that sends a very powerful message to me, and it also collars me. A Top who does permanent damage to something material doesn't really connect with me, i don't see much difference between that and him kicking a hole in the wall of my house. idk, it is different, but i am not bonded or possessed by someone who wants to harm or destroy. The power of a Mans piss for me is when He finds ways to use what He made with His body to effect me, or my body in a way that connects to my psychology. It's a hard one, attitude does play a huge role for me. And i can see where a Top might piss on my bed in a way that could have symbolic power... but i think there are other ways that are not destructive to make the same impact. Ways that would assert ownership, but not be, idk, petty? i'm doing a lot of 'thinking outloud.' i don't presume to have this all figured out. i will be interested to reads others thoughts and feelings.

i don't know. i was married for much of my life (religious background). i wouldn't say i hate women, but it can be hard for me to not attribute certain attributes to them that i don't see in men. When i first divorced, i thought i might be Bi because i'd functioned with a woman for so many years, so i dated a lesbian and a transgender (FtM). i liked both of them, but when it came to sex, there was a block i felt that i'm not sure i can explain? i didn't want sex with either of them because of the lack of connection i felt with them, just something missing... and it's more than a cock lol. The idea of a woman pegging me is a total turn off for me, i could get into it with a Man though. Honestly, i can get into pretty much any kind of penetration a Man wants or needs to do with me. i think that may be a big part of it. A (Top) Man has a need/drive to put Himself inside another guy, and i need/want that. Of course that doesn't explain my love of all men in general. i'm pretty much guy crazy in general, even though i'm not sexually compatible with bottoms. Women? i have a few women friends, but i prefer the company of men.

i always douche. honestly, i pretty much do a full on clean out, here's a pic of my shower...notice the cleanout nozzle on the hand sprayer, pretty much on there all the time lol. i honestly don't mind if my Top doesn't mind, for spontaneity sake. That's my primary regret about clean out, it ruins spontanaiely. When a Top wants to breed, i want to be able to bend over any time, any place, i love going with the heat of the moment, never been a fuck planner. 😉

Perspective, eh? In a D/s dynamic, as a sub if I have a Dom controlling and organizing who breeds me, it strengthens my connection to Him because i think of any other guy as an extension of Him, kind of like He is using them like living dildos to fuck and gape me. Though I know everyone isn’t wired that way

Welcome TallTop, this s a great community with lots of great discussions. i've been here for over 8 years, best gay site i have ever been on, we actually discuss things and talk to each other here.

Hmmm. Is the exchange of money an important part of this for you or is it getting a straight guy to do what you want, or do they have to be connected? i've been on some kink sites that have straight subs who have shown interest in being Dommed ("not...including fucking") who might really get into this without the need for remuneration. Are you including the money because it's part of your kink or because you don't think he would do it otherwise?

Awesome DarkroomTaker. i'm just a few days behind you, it will be 8 years for me on May 4, but was a lurker for a few years before that. This site is by far the best gay site i am, or have ever been, a member of. There is always a core group of guys here that i have come to truly love and respect. i've never been a drinker, so never went to the bars. Have tried connecting with other gay guys socially, but living in a small town, just not much available. BZ has been my community. i love this forum and feel free and safe to be myself like i have never been before anywhere else. Even with some of the differences between guys here, i have never felt in conflict or on the outside here. i never would have expected it, but this place has been a sort of family for me, very cool, one i'd happily practice incest with lol.

a little more ( i am so covid horny) As mentioned above, i'm a little more open than 'natural', or maybe the natural use of my hole has shifted? i do have more of a slit than a pucker. The one thing that bothers me about not being able to "take it" is clean out. I've recently started a routine of showering in the morning and cleaning out and lubing as part of the process. Even in isolation and covid era, i do it because a part of me really rebels against the idea of not being able to take a cock because of , well anything, but in this case because of clean out. i think it's sometimes a cruel trick of nature that our sex organs are also used for waste elimination. i've gotten around that with piss, i've gotten to the point where a Mans piss is almost (not quite) as valuable and important to me as His cum. His body made it, i crave having it in me. mine i just see as waste though. Women once a month shed the lining of their uterus and their vagina becomes waste disposal in a week long dump of sorts. Bottoms 'periods' are spread out... some don't mind fucking a guy or woman with their 'period', so that eliminates any obstacle to availability to breed. But most are not into that, or are turned off by it. And i want to always be in a position to take cock. It's not perfect, still have to eat, but i do like the feeling of being available after a daily routine shower and clean out and lube. Feels very sexy to start the day wet, open and ready for cock. its a different reason for "bottoms who can't take it" and cannot eliminate it completely sadly.

i guess there was a time when i couldn't "take it" but i cannot remember it if it ever was. When i was about 7 or 8 a neighbor friend who i had a crush on took me into His bathroom one day and showed me an enema nozzle and took great delight in explaining to me what it was for and how it worked. As soon as i got home, i found our family enema kit, removed the nozzle and coated it with vaseline from the medicine cabinet and slid it in, just as He described. From that point on, i was an anal slut, pretty much everything i looked at i wondered if i could put it in my ass and how it would feel... by the time i took my first cock, i was more than prepared, i was starving for it and have pretty much been starved my hole life. i'm prolly a bit more open than natural though, so taking cock is the most natural thing in the world for me.

i am a critical care nurse in a teaching hospital and i often catch myself staring at all the FUCKING HOT residents. i swear some of them are flirting with me, which is likely just wishful thinking on my part, but damn there's some sweet hotties. sigh

i 'lost' my virginity to my wife at 21, and it was the second time with her because the first time on our wedding night, i totally missed her vagina. Obviously a virgin lol. In a sense though, that was the life i'd been conditioned to live. i loved my wife, but hell, i was gay and had always been. She even knew that, well, sort of. i had stood up in church when 19 (she was there) and confessed i was sexually attracted to guys... we didn't use the word "gay" at church because we didn't think there was such a thing. She's the only woman i was ever with sexually, but she got my first load. At 26 i went help work on refurbishing a missionary hospital ship in San Pedro harbor, Long Beach CA. They roomed me with one of the young missionaries, "Skip." He didn't trick me, but He definitely seduced me. We played a silent sort of cat and mouse for about 4 hours in the berth we were roomed in together. it was a very dark room, could barely see shadows, and it took me all that time to believe i was seeing His naked body with His hard cock lying on His bunk, and then get up the courage to go over to Him. i did and He wordlessly offered me His cock, which i sucked with a lifetime of need and lust. i separated from my wife (only for six months, i was confused) after that and moved from CA to VA. i went walking on the boardwalk one Sunday and a guy picked me up and took me to His place. By that time i wanted it so bad that when we got naked on HIs bed, i straddled Him and tried to shove His cock into my ass. It was obvious to Him it was my first time and He said: "whoa, just a minute" and ran down stairs and got some Vaseline Intensive Care lotion and proceeded to fuck me, face down on my stomach. He seeded me and opened me and have been a bottom boy ever since.

i'm sorry. That was fucked up. i grew up in a religious culture that conditioned me to believe i was "broken" because of my attraction to guys and that acting on my needs/desires was "sin." Of course, they had to come up with some sort of reasoning for their conclusions and decided that gay people are made because of bullies in their childhood, dominant mothers and passive fathers. i pretty much had all those, so it kept me trapped i the belief i was broken for way longer than it should have. Another popular theory was being forced or raped by a guy when younger. Stuff like that can make it harder to come to a place of self acceptance and confuse one when coming into their sexuality. i hope it wasn't a huge struggle or conflict for you to accept liking guys after having been abused by them...

okay, this had some hot places, but the problem with vids like this is realism (or the lack there of). The first part, where is having his ass felt up by the guys on either side of him, i could see happening subtly in a crowded bus... and found myself imagining i was him. But as it turns to force, not so much. That's not going to happen on a bus. Also, the fighting back in so many of these dramatizations is so obviously not fighting back. he doesn't fight very much, if at all, when the guy sits him on HIs cock.. at one point it looks like he starts stroking his own cock while protesting, and meanwhile, the passengers act as though nothing is happening? To me, the most mind fucking porn of this type would be where the bottom is initially surprised and fighting, but at some point something in him switches and he really wants it and shows it, sort of like being won over or conquered. i have a feeling that most who are interested in rape fantasy relate to that? I.e., not fighting, but actually wanting it. Which raises the question, is it really rape if you want it?

It's a strange line, but a real and distinct one. i'm bottom and have a decided sub streak have encountered guys who think that is carte blanche to do anything they want. submission, at least for me, is a response, not a given. There are infinite ways i can submit and it's connected to consent with me. Someone i know gets a different and deeper submission than a stranger/hook up. i have a long time fantasy of having a relationship with a Top where He has the keys to my door and anytime He need or wants to cum or piss, we both know i'm His and i want Him and what He has inside of me. i imagine Him waking up at 3 am with a hard on, coming over and quietly entering my house and finding me asleep and then waking to His cock pressing against my lips or hole. Or working at the kitchen counter and Him silently coming up behind me, pulling my shorts down and entering me. For me, that would take some, idk, conditioning? To be able to wake from a dead sleep and know it was Him. i don't pretend it would be an automatic, open response. And, He'd be taking some risk, i have a second degree black belt lol. To me, though, the salient point is "we both know i'm his and i want him." Rape is often a one sided knowledge, i.e., the rapist is convinced in his own imagination that the victim wants it. The trickier one is a guy who may want it though he has not given consent. To me, it's not rape if you really want it, but i don't think it is ever right for the Top to assume. In a closer relationship of trust, communication can take different forms and facilitate deeper needs and desires where i believe there can be a knowing and consent. I don't think this can ever happen between strangers.

Spunk, your post was so well written and insightful. Thank you for writing it. It seems, particularly in the US that whenever there is a new disease or disaster, there are televangelists ready to attribute them to "Gods wrath," and as they pass, take credit for praying them away. i was raised and came out of such a culture and it is alive and well. The demonizing attitude of which you speak is just one stroke away from the white house in the US (i.e. Pence) i think you are spot on about "a certain amount of guilt and self loathing" that i believe has been culturally conditioned into most people on a subtle level. While the tide is currently in our favor, and has been progressively for a few years, there is still a strong antigay and homophobic culture that literally "demonizes" us. It hasn't been that long since i had the "gay demons" cast out of me, and the people who believed that my being gay was actually "demonic" are still alive and well, just less visible. i'm a bit of a student of WWII and am particularly amazed and informed at how the tide can turn. Movies like Cabaret and Bent do a good job depticting how a liberal society and environment changed from gay acceptance to persecution. Experimenter is also a great movie on how the same culturally conditioned response to authority that was in Germany during the 30's and 40's was alive and well in the US in the 60's. Really, Milgrams experiments (the topic of the movie) demonstrated that similar response was not unique to Germany. i believe it is naive to think that could never happen again. To me, even if Covid was similar to the HIV virus that devastated the gay community, i don't believe sex was the problem then either. i don't think sex is ever the problem unless it has been forced on someone without their consent. No one in the straight community ever says kissing is the problem because one can transmit and catch the flu that way. In terms of transmission, it's more of an issue for a straight person to kiss his girlfriend who has the flu, then go to work, because the flu can be spread casually. HIV? It's comparatively hard to catch. In terms of cost? The meds developed to combat the flu did not cost any less to develop than HIV meds. They do not cost any less to manufacture, the only difference is the mark up on the price tag to us in the US. Truvada for instance: "According to ACT UP, the medication costs about $6 a month to manufacture—but a month’s worth of the prescription can run as high as $1,500." By my estimation, it is never kissing or fucking or sucking or sex that is at fault, but the cultural demonization you note. ❤️

As frequently mentioned on this site, i have a drawer full of toys i rarely use. Psychologically for me they are for Topping and i buy them wanting Top to use them with me. meh. Still, i have them and do use them. my latest below is a "slink" which i imagine a Top using on me as a butt plug. It's about 24 inches long insertable and the knot has an 8 inch circumference.

Apparently some radar is better than others. And i loved this story. i think we've lost something with online hook ups, the mating dance just isn't the same.

Just got saved lol. i've had this new service for about 6 months where i get my HIV meds delivered to my house, not mail, but courier. i've considered changing it because i could easily pick it up from the pharmacy like i did before the new service, but the guy who delivers it is a cute guy on several levels for me (personality is a big deal for me if it's not just a hook up). Anyway, i've wanted to present my ass to this guy from the first time He delivered, but alas, i think He is only delivering meds. He's really friendly and always hangs out and talks, and this time i was determined to see if He might be into guys... but i think He's just friendly. He mentioned His wife several times, which of course doesn't mean He isn't into guys, but it did hit my pause button and save me from possibly stripping in front of Him today. Maybe next month the ban will be lifted. fuck, i really wanna guy.

i need to have a Man inside of me. i need to feel His cock penetrating and fucking me, hear the sounds He makes, hold His cum deep inside after He shoots. i cannot imagine it changing. i'm having a really hard time not taking Men now.

It's fun to read the types that turn you guys on.

yep, me too. He has a demeanor that i can't exactly identify... makes me wild and weak at the same time.

i've written this one a few places on this site, but one of the most unplanned sexual encounters i have had was while i was driving down the street in my truck, going to the hardware store. A guy pulled up next to me and looked over and our eyes met. That's it, just our eyes, and he pulled forward and in front of me... and i followed. He pulled into a Burger King parking lot and went into the restaurant, i think He may have glanced behind to see if i was following, i don't remember. He went into the BK restroom and i followed close behind. Once inside, He locked the door behind me and, without a word, undid and dropped my jeans and underwear, turned me around while taking HIs hard cock from His own jeans, bent me over and aplied spit and rammed His cock into me. i gasped, and took it, oh hell yeah. It didn't take Him long to bust inside me, and in a flash He zipped up , unlocked the door and left me standing there bent over with His cum dripping out of my ass. i came to myself and locked the door, pulled my jeans up from around my ankles, unlocked the door and left. i've had other experiences at cruising parks that were similar, no words, just sex. So much better than an online hook up. There was a park i Virginia that had a bridge, i'd stand mid way on the bridge pretending to look at the water at dusk, when you couldn't quite be sure that you were seeing what you saw. It was a cruisy place, so not completely "unexpected," but i'd wait till i saw a guy enter the bridge at the end, then lower my shorts just enough to show some ass... if i could hear the guy pause to look as he walked past, i'd lower them a little more as an invite. i've lost count of the number of times a guy would come over, pull my shorts down around my ankles and breed me bent over the rail of the bridge, then zip up and continue His walk when done.

"...a fuck team...." Okay. That seems almost universal so far? i.e., each sees there self taking all of them, just putting an order to it. And i would too, but that's not how this picture/song effects me. It strikes a romantic chord in me vs a lust chord. Of course, the one leads to the other, is not disconnected, but the first singer evokes a very romantic, emotional response in me. His eyes make me want to fold into Him. i can sexualize pretty much any guy, but not every guy touches me in a romanic way.