tallslenderguy

i'm a total bottom with a sub streak. i fit into a definite category of "sub" though and don't respond to all guys who identify as "Dom." i think that may be because growing up a lot of Dom boys read me as a sub and i got bullied a lot. i eventually learned how to hide my sub nature in a closet and to this day force or bullying evokes and almost violent reaction in me, i'm not attracted to either. i didn't even see my sub nature until i started meeting what i call "affectionate Doms" who trigger, use and manipulate my sub nature using grooming techniques and other ways to Dom me evoke my sub nature to satisfy Their needs and desires. It's hard for me to resist a guys need/desire for pleasure, and when i perceive that in Him, it opens me up. i've discovered that piss is a strong tool some Doms connect with to Dom Their sub. i've read stories on BZ of a Dom fucking a bottom till he pisses himself, combing pleasure and humiliation that fulfilled a need in both the Dom and sub. i can see so many different ways to do this with piss. For me, a Dom has "piss" and a sub has "urine" or "pee." Don't know why, just a distinction i make emotionally. A Dom's piss is potent, like HIs cum. He can use it to inseminate, impregnate, mark another guy. i see a sub's pee as just waste, but something a Dom can use to fulfill His need to connect and affectionately humiliate His sub. i have fantasized about a Dom subtly finding ways to make me pee myself. For instance, maybe we're together for a day and He keeps making sure i stay hydrated, but also makes sure i don't have an opportunity to relieve myself. It's not something He has discussed with me, just something He orchestrates and does, watching me and realizing me struggle and even mentioning that i have to pee, but finding ways to divert me and keep me from relieving myself without my realizing what He's doing. His goal is to control me and the situation to the point that i can't control it anymore and have to pee. Depending on how we are, it might be me finally saying i can't hold it anymore and making Him listen and acknowledge that i have to pee, at which point He might say with a smile on His face and love in His eyes: "i want you to just let it go, to pee yourself." Or He might say: " I know where there's a restroom" and He starts to lead me to someplace He knows is too far for me to make it in time and i accidentally pee myself. i've also had fantasies (but no experience) of a Dom who grooms me for diapers, which to me has a lot of mind fuck potential. Would love to hear about other ideas both Dom guys and sub guys have for using piss and pee in D/s dynamic to fulfill their needs and desires.

i'm total bottom and there are some twinks who are into older total bottoms, but not all are "experienced." Experience, or really maturity, is important to me. i have a decided sub streak, and most younger guys i have been with, even if they identify as "Dom" don't have the maturity that (can) naturally come with age. But i have learned to not make that an automatic assumption, because it's not always true. i've had some incredible young twink FB's who knew exactly what they were doing and knew how to push all my buttons. The biggest thing for me is attraction. And that's true about any guy i hook with. i don't want any guy fuckng me to compromise. If he's not into me, i don't want him, no matter how much i want. Mutual desire is a primary factor for me, and if i don't sense it, i decline. But "twink" does not mean inexperienced or immature or vice versa. i've encountered plenty of older, immature flakes lol.

i've gotten to a place where mental and emotional connection are a big deal to me and i typically focus, and thus 'feel' thet connection. Once i feel that connect, i seem to fall into rhythm with my Top and as cheesy as it sound, i become one with Him and can go as long as He needs/wants. i had a hot experience i wrote about in "...your last load" thread last week. Had an anonymous walk in breed by a guy while staying at a gay resort in Palm Springs. He had an enormous cock that made me gasp and bite my mattress when He went in. He was self aware of His size and pussy effect and asked me at one point while fucking me "how long can you go?" i guess He was used to guys needing a break? By that time, i was so possessed by Him, the question actually confused me and my only response was to squeeze His cock with my ass. i guess He understood, because He kept going. He was long and He opened and was fuckng (seemed purposeful) my inner hole, which often hurts, and did a little but in a good way. When He did ultimately shoot, He bred me deeply into my inner hole and i could feel His actual semen as He shot into me, something that tis rare for me. i had a prior load in me and ended up keeping both loads through the night and absorbing them both. Damn, it was awesome. Lately i fantasize of Having a guy in me continuously, like a living butt plug. That it feels more natural to have that space filled than to have it empty.

if i'm not mistaken, this Top is the one who gave you the mantra "take Dick?" To me, this is a good example of mind fuck, of insemination and impregnation of your inner emotional/mental being, forming and molding you as His pussy. Pushes my buttons big time.

i've talked to one guy in particular on Recon who wants to make my hole similar to what you describe: i.e., sounds like you have a 'wrecked hole.' There are definitely some Tops /Doms who want that from their bottoms, subs, and all tha goes with it. A diaper can be an erotically humiliating symbol of your wrecked, slut hole. Kind of like the slut bottoms jock, it's an accessory for your package.

i love how you became aware and changed. To me, this is a great example of the connecting that can happen between guys. Your observation that "sex cam be so mechanical at times" is something i purposely try to thwart. i don't always, i take my share of mechanical cock. i have found that i can practice presence in the moment on my side and that sometimes it can be contagious. One of the things that drives me wild is when a Top kisses my neck or shoulders. i've had mostly anonymous walk in sex, where i am lying face down and naked, so i don't typically see my Top and am in a pretty vulnerable position. When a complete stranger is getting into the fuck and just naturally starts kissing my neck or shoulders, my back arches almost reflexively and my ass pushes Him deeper into me, and i literally tremble. These are some of the guys i have to bite my tongue from saying "i love you" too. i think we may be often missing something, that "to humanize" can make sex just that much more sexy and intense. It works that way for me. i think we often leave that out because it takes more time, thought, effort, but i think it's a mistake to make dehumanized sex a habit?

if the goal is to "fuck [me] till i can't get up," then fucking is the foreplay for me, and the my not being able to get up is my need met, my 'orgasm'

i've had similar experience and have reached a similar conclusion about the bs nature of hookup apps. i think a big part of the issue derives from the fact that most communication is visual. Some studies place the percentage of communication that is visual at >85%. Online apps are missing the visual and tonal cues of personal contact. It seems using them handicaps us. i also think there are a lot of people who simply do not know their self. Add to that, lots of people have not acquired a skill set for communicating in writing. If you add the two together, you get (i think) a lot of the "bull shit" we experience on hookup apps. my reaction to online profiles has changed over time. Some profiles used to shock me, later my response evolved into frustration, then amusement, and now resignation. i think (guess?) that most guys are there to "hook up" in some form or another, but often have no pics, or inaccurate pics, and little to no self disclosure. Apps have even made it easy with drop down menus to choose your traits from. Yet, one finds 'profiles' with little or nothing in them. i still always wonder about those guys. Don't they realize we can't see them? That the only way we can be attracted to them is if they put their self out there? When it comes to apps, i think if sex is not going to die off in the gay community (lol, yeah, i know, it'll never happen), guys are going to have to learn about introspection and self knowledge, and then learn how to put what they find in writing.

i was 26 and the guys name was "Skip." He was also my first guy. i was suppressed and repressed because of a religious background, i knew i liked guys from childhood age. i was so ready. i was spending the weekend doing volunteer work on a Christian organization missionary hospital ship that was in port for refurbishing, Skip was one of the crew members and they had bunked me for the night in his room. The berth was very small and dark, only a little light from a port hole. He came into the room late and i pretended to be asleep. His bunk was maybe 5 feet away, but it was so dark you could only see shadows. We played a cat and mouse game for what seemed hours, moving about on our bunks making sounds and touching ourselves. Finally, i couldn't stand it any longer and went over to his bunk and he wordlessly offered me his cock. i had wanted this my whole life, so i was really needing it and i took his cock into my mouth hungrily. It didn't take him long to cum, and honestly, i probably would have loved it no matter how he tasted. The next morning i was in love, and he was gone before i woke. i wanted to talk, he pretended it never happened. And it has remained that way. As most have noted, taste changes from person to person, though there seems to be a familia, teltale taste that is common to all guys even though it varies individually. But the feel, the moment when He orgasms and His orgasm transfers to me is the most awesome thing in life.

i don't think i've seen this topic discussed, so thought i'd start a thread about gay movies or shows you've seen and liked. i have quite a few, and am fond of productions from other countries as well. Here's a few of my favorites (i have so many i love) to start off. Movies: Home at the End of the World Latter Days Bent Brokeback Mountain Series: London Spy Tales of the City Animated: Para Norman

i know, right? It seems like i am regressing into adolescence sometimes i am so guy crazy. Not just looks, attitude, demeanor. As an aside, i often do anonymous walk in breed where im lying naked face down and ass up. Not infrequently, the guy Topping me will kiss my shoulders and/or neck and that absolutely drives me wild. It's like i have a button hidden there and it makes my back arch and my ass push into Him. sigh

One of the most remarkable experiences i've had of the type you describe is driving down a busy street one day and a guy pulls up next to me. I glanced over and our eyes met and we both knew. It's almost magical. He pulled ahead and i followed him into a Burger King parking lot. And parked just as he was getting out and heading into the restaurant. I followed and went into the restroom where he was already waiting. He locked the door behind me, turned around and without a word unbuttoned my jeans, pulled them down, turned me around and bent me over. He pulled his own pants down enough to expose His cock and He slid in and bred me in short order... i can't remember if he even used spit it all happened so fast. He came pretty quickly with a deep thrust and a groan, three or four spasms and He withdrew His cock, pulled up His pants and exited with me still bent over and panting. i recovered enough to lock the door behind Him and left a few minutes later. I've had a few other experiences where i was driving and made similar kind of knowing eye contact, but never actually ended up proceeding to fuck from that lol, this was pretty unique.

That kind of behavior is incredibly bizarre to me. i've tried to figure it out and usually decide it just some closeted guy who is too afraid to actually act on their needs or desires? What really is strange to me is when the go so far as to get you address and then ghost. When at home i've gotten to the point of giving cross streets and having guys text me when they are close, that works pretty well. But at a gay resort? i would imagine that if you've gotten out of the closet enough to check into a gay resort that you're beyond the fear of hooking up, but maybe not. Idk, but flaking and ghosting doesn't happen when face to face, or even on the other side of a GH lol. It's a phenomena born out of online space.

Prior to online, one word i never used or even applied to gay hook up sex was "flake." If you're cruising where real people are, flaking just doesn't exist, a guy is either interested or not. Stuff like chatting up then ghosting didn't exist since there was no internet ether to disappear into. There was no hiding behind ten year old pictures either. i spent last week at a gay resort. A guy actually staying at the resort chatted me up, then ghosted. i couldn't quite believe i'd been ghosted at a gay resort by a guy who was only a couple of hundred feet from me, i just figured he got distracted or something. The next day he contacts me out of the blue and asks for my room number, i asked if he was coming over and he sent me a screen shot of his location. I gave him my room number and ten minutes later his response is "nice." Nice? WTF. i ask again if he is coming, and he tells me he is only looking for a bj, which we had already established. So i replied "i know, are you coming?" He replied: "resting right now." I wrote back a fairly friendly note asking him not to contact me again and questioning that he might be new at this and afraid, but to lead a person on and then back out that way was called "flaking." i was pretty shocked. Honestly, who goes to a gay resort then flakes people? i could tell by the gps locater that he was staying there. Just so weird. That couldn't have happened pool side or in the play areas.

i was at the airport waiting in line yesterday for security and there was this guy in front of me with a beautiful neck and i want to run my lips along it so badly. This happens to me all the time, standing in line behind another guy and having to contain myself, wanting so badly to kiss His neck. Same with ass or cock, seeing an awesome Mans ass or cock (albeit clothed) and dying to grope Him and just having to occupy myself otherwise. There have been times in close quarters where i've allowed myself to 'accidentally' brush up against a guy, but nothing overt. Anyone else deal with this? Sometimes i feel like a teen i'm so guy crazy (but it feels good to feel that way lol).

i feel similarly, and would expand that to culturally conditioned. Any of us who have had a relationship with a woman has experienced the differences of wiring. But i think foreplay for women goes way beyond warming up her body. As far as gay sexual relationship goes, i think we need to see our conditioned notions and assess whether or not we wanna keep them on every topic, not just foreplay. Personally, i like foreplay... and five play and six play too. i think our foreplay should probably be different to accommodate our needs and desires, not just an adoption of the 'norm.' For instance, i used to feel the urge to grope my former wife, just walking by, etc.. She didn't like that at all. Guys on the other hand? Fuck, a guy can own me if He gropes me spontaneously or when He feels the urge. i think just fucking is great. i have a long held fantasy of sleeping with a Top who whenever He has the need to cum or piss during the night, just feels the freedom to slide into my hole and piss or cum, whether i'm asleep or not. Or sitting watching tv to just walk over and stick His cock in my mouth, or bend me over while im working in the kitchen and just fuck me. lol, you get the picture. i think both Tops and bottoms would love that dynamic. But i also think there's a lot more we can explore and experience in addition to that. Mind fuck is awesome, and i guess a sort of fore play that gay guys could be enjoying as well. i don't think it's an either or situation, why not both?

Ive stayed at 3 in PS. This one was "All Worlds"

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i fucking love it, stellar idea! i don't think it's the least bit sketchy, but then i'm a long time slut, so may lack objectivity. In my experience, the easier you can make access to your ass, the more you're gonna get. Your idea is pretty perfect when it comes to easy. Anonymous is another good angle in my experience. i find there's a lot more guys who are dying to fuck but are embarrassed or shy, so making it anonymous wins the day for them (just ask the guys who have glory holes at their house, i've toyed with the idea but haven't come up with what to tell friends about the hole in the guest room bathroom door). i don't think anyone is more creative than a gay guy needing another guy. i can't count the number of cocks i've taken in public restoooms, truck stops and parks at night on picnic tables, on the middle of a bridge, a Burger King restroom from a drive by cruise... the list is endless. "Anonymous walk in" is my middle name. i'm dying to get fucked by my mail man and have written "fuck me" in the dust on the mail box. i think He may be eyeing me, but it could easily be wishful thinking. Guys will do just about anything to get some when they're horned. i've had a few guys hesitate when i give them detailed instructions on how to get into my house and into my pussy. One of the few objections is fear that they will walk into the wrong house. Easily solved, i put a note on the door that says: "this is the place, fuck me." lol

Last night. my last (and best) night of my week long vacation at a gay resort in Palm Springs. Saw a guy watching me as i went into my room, so i made eye contact and left my door ajar. He was a little ways off, so by the time He looked into my room, i was naked, face down and ass up on my bed with a jar of Elbow Grease beside me. He came in and felt up my ass and fingered it and let out a sigh, and heard Him undressing. He mounted and slid in pretty quickly and was a wonderful fucker. He fucked maybe 10 minutes before cumming, and i was pretty verbal and grateful throughout the fuck, even more so because He seemed so pleased and happy to be there. When He left, i heard Him talking to a couple of guys walking by, and a few seconds later, they were in my room. One of them fingered my hole, feeling he last Tops load and checking out my hole. He made sounds and remarks that indicated He liked the look of it. His partner got on the bed next to me and offered His cock for me to suck, and that took no coaxing. i went for it hungrily as His partner mounted and pushed His cock into me. Fuck, He was huge and i let out a yelp and sucked harder and His partner came instantly in my mouth. i recovered, and bore down and pushed into the Awesome Top inside of me, and He said: "Good boy" which is a major trigger for me, like i've been previously hypnotized or something and that turns me instantly sub. i squeezed His cock with my pussy and He laughed and exclaimed "Good boy!!" again, and He owned me. He was big and long and immediately went for my second hole and opened and was fucking it. I was going a lot of moaning and mattress biting and after a good while, He asked: "how long can you go?" i was actually a little confused by the question (fuck fog?) and didn't answer, i just squeezed His cock with my pussy and He seemed to understand and kept fucking. He went quite awhile longer and when He came, He rammed deep into my second hole (which He had masterfully opened by then) and shot while making the most beautiful groans of pleasure. i rarely feel a Tops semen when He shoots, but i felt His. He withdrew after a pretty prolonged orgasm and gave my ass a few sweet slaps and said to HIs partner: "now we can have dinner." I lay there pretty wasted for a good while, even think i fell asleep. Made the whole trip worth it.

You are, of course, right. i personally appreciate the modifiers "versatile top" or "versatile bottom," and find them helpful. And yeah, i don't get to (or want to) dictate how a guy presents himself. It's just my experience has sort of conditioned me against the term because i seem to usually (like 90% of the time) run into versatile guys who only want to get fucked. Honestly, i've even gotten to the place where i'm wary of guys who identify as top versatile. But is suspect i'm maybe one of the minority you note, and for me it's more of a emotional/mental disposition than physical. my own personal wiring needs/desires someone as obsessed with penetrating and putting Himself (not just His body) inside of another guy as i am obsessed with receiving Him. So, when i sense that is missing or variable, it doesn't awaken the receiver in me. But that doesn't mean to me there's anything wrong with being that way, those guys just don't effect me the same way. I generally end up loving them, but platonically.

As a bottom i used to sort of dread the opening of my hole. i've had a few FB's (one in particular) who's goal (unbeknownst to me at the time) was to transform my hole into a "pussy." Though we never had the D/s discussion, He was Dom lol. He changed my dread to excited acceptance once i realized what was going on. His point was to 'leave His mark on me, which for me is one of the deepest emotional sex drives i perceive in guys. i associate it with the natural drive to create, both from a Top or bottom perspective, whether one be the artist or canvas, the drive is creation? i've read a lot of comments (not necessarily on this thread) from Tops who love the look of a well used hole, like it's an affirmation of who they are and what they do (sexually), which is open, penetrate and inseminate another guy with their self. An changed, opened hole is a mark of the efforts of their kind. As a bottom, i have come to cherish my changed hole and the signatures the men i have loved have put on it and me. Fuck, does it get any better? i still occasionally run into guys on hook up sites who say they are "looking for a good tight hole." i've come to see most of those guys (not all) as the more inexperienced or occasional, maybe married to a woman, guys. "Open" is kind of a counter intuitive term; the assumption is a tight hole feels better. But what's happened to my hole is the entry is open and easily accessible, i can take a large cock with only minor initial mattress biting, but the inside of my hole is kind of puffy and swollen, especially when being used, and there is plenty of friction and contact, it's just soft, warm, wet, receptive and sorta fluffy in there vs flat and smooth and tight and resistant. i think experienced Tops know this distinction.