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Someone who is careless at a bathhouse can contract HIV from a stealther or a guy who does not know that he's poz. The solution for HIV-negative is to stop being so careless, which would be the same advice you would get at any STD clinic. Getting rid of stealthers does not guarantee staying HIV-negative. Let's assume that a poz detectable horny guy is hunting for holes late at night at a bathhouse and he comes across a bottom who is serosorting his tops, basically playing Russian roulette. Somehow the horny poz guy convinces the bottom to go bareback by either lying or somehow letting the bottom believe he's also HIV-. After the poz guy breeds the bottom's hole he leaves and they never see each other again. It would be safe to assume that by the end of the evening, if the bottom is young and hot, he would have taken a few more loads, supposedly all HIV-. And because taking anon loads at a bathhouse is so much fun, there will probably be a repeat of this experience. In other words, trying to view the bottom as a victim of a stealther makes no sense. I would accept the concept of being victim of stealthing but only when there was supposed to be trust between the partners. Because apparently he is the one with the most to loose. You sound like one of those women who despise the objectification of the body and who reacts in disgust. And I'm one of those men who gets lots of pleasure and excitement from anonymous sex where I get the freedom to objectify bodies to fulfill my needs. Anonymous sex always works for me, it never disappointments me. I think that by censoring my need to completely objectify other men in bathhouses and instead "feel for them as people" is equivalent of having to feel sorry for some UFC fight who gets beaten up bad at a fight. No matter how bad they get beaten up they are no victims, first because they chose to fight.

For several years I've been seeing a few types of fake cum lube being advertised. A current search shows me "Jizz" and "Spunk". It may look and feel like cum but once the rimming starts the secret is revealed. Does anybody have anything to say about fake cum lubes?

I would go further and say that all stealthers either lie or remove condoms because fucking a raw hole feels good and seems to be the perfect place to drop a load. Maybe there are some stealthers who are turned-on by the idea of pozing HIV-negative guys. How could he ever know that some random guy he bred at a bathhouse will poz? And if he finds out the guy in fact is now poz, how could he know that it was him who pozed him. I'm not sure how this works for guys who get off on pozing others. ...and bathhouse sex is a perfect example of a suspended morality. Therefore, it makes no sense to label anonymous-stealthing as immoral because it takes place in this suspended morality spaces. I prefer to protect these anonymous spaces from morality which is why I reject the idea of anonymous-stealthing being immoral. As I mentioned before, most poz guys stealth because barebacking feels better and if they need to lie they will in order to get some ass. Although I'm not poz, I like to protect the right of a poz guy to have spaces where he can go and forget about having to discuss his HIV+ status. I like to keep bathhouses as places where he can go to realize sexual fantasies and fetishes. Just because someone was courageous and took the HIV test to learn his HIV+ status does not justify putting all the burden on HIV+ guys all the time. There has to be sexual spaces for poz guys (detectable or undetectable) to go and basically ignore their HIV+ status, and if asked they could lie because it's the shortest way to end the conversation about HIV. I don't have a problem protecting the right to anon-stealth because it is preventable for anyone who is serious about staying HIV-negative.

YES! That's part of sexual adventures that we can have in a bathhouse. And declaring stealthing as illegal removes an important part of the sexual thrill of some men. Instead of becoming an anti-stealth activist it's best to follow a good advice I hear in this site for HIV-neg guys who wanna stay neg: "Guys lie and assume everyone is poz" (particularly true in anon scenes). I sometimes have a hard time following some of the arguments brought forth here. A while ago I mentioned an STD prevention site SafestSex.org which I find is based on the best prevention technique, testing and isolation. All I heard then was that it's impossible for a site like safestsex.org to work because guys lie about their HIV status, which sounds realistic to me if the system does not prevent you from lying. But now in this discussion about stealthing most of the comments try to present every horny guy at a bathhouse as morally pure individual, unlike those immoral stealthers.

I stay completely away from these polluted terminology. I've read of guys who define themselves as Gay and go on to describe their sexual life and the times spent in the gloryholes of a nearby shopping mall sucking cock and sometime getting fucked by strangers. Never a lover. If he was ever asked about his sexuality he would say "I'm gay" because it's better that having to say "All I like doing is sucking anonymous cocks in gloryhole near my place." Whenever I'm referred to as gay I make it clear that I'm not gay because I don't like having sex with men. And it's true, because the only type of sex I enjoy is anonymous. Having sex with a man I know is not appealing at all to me. Maybe once when you still don't know each other very well, especially when I was young. But now all I like is anonymous sex and it happens that men are great at that activity. But do I now have to call myself gay? I find that many men use "being gay" as a cop-out from having to really talk about what really enjoy in sex with other men, like "I addicted to cum!" So many men have watched video of a cock shooting a load and because they were turned on by it, they decided "I'm gay!".

This is the first time I hear a bottom getting off a sling with a load in his hole described as a victim, especially in this site. I'm very surprised. And if you consider HIV in this equation, infection may not even occur. Where the fuck is the victim?

Yes, you are right. Personal responsibility goes both ways because everyone has to be responsible for themselves and not blame someone else if something happens.

You are confirming what I wrote earlier: Being able to safely have anon bareback sex ain't gonna happen because of many reasons. Demonizing stealthing and denouncing it as a horrible human trait is not going to stop HIV-negative guys from pozing. I'm not poz but I think it's unfair to place the responsibility on poz guys when there are so many guys who don't want to test for HIV so that they can keep saying that they are HIV-negative. I know we live in an era where everyone wants to be a victim, but I'm sorry, a guy on a public sling who offers his ass to others but as long as they are "clean" is not a victim. Even if a HVL poz guy breds the bottom's hole it does not mean that the bottom will get infected. The only thing that is certain is that when that poz top pulls out the bottom will be in heaven when he touches his sloppy hole. Is that a victim? We will more often hear about guys who condemn stealthing because I doubt poz guys who are occasionally into anon-stealthing would have the guts to comment on their experiences. Some poz guy who stops at the bathhouse after the bars are closed, he's horny and a bit tipsy, and wants to breed some hole. A hot bottom catches his attention, he walks into his room and the bottom hands him a condom. The top says "I only bareback" and the bottom asks for his status and the top lies and says he's HIV negative. He dumps his load and leaves. A very hot scene and in my opinion a totally acceptable behavior because first, the bottom may not even infect with HIV. Second, if he lets this poz guy breed his hole, there is a big chance that the bottom is already poz. It shows already how irresponsible the bottom is, if he wants to stay HIV negative. This particular case, in one phrase "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY" which could mean go on PrEP. But do something instead of assuming that all your slutty bottom fantasies will be realized because you will only take cum from HIV-negative guys. The issue of lack of consent keeps coming up. But the problem I see is that as soon as one enters a bathhouse one is implicitly giving consent but a consent that is not well defined in anyone's mind. Outside in the street we all agree and have rules, no one will approach me and grab my cock. In a bathhouse we give consent be be touched and some extend that consent in order to fulfill their fetishes and needs. I'm not going to spend money and walk into a place that resembles the outside world. Anon-stealthing is totally avoidable by the HIV-negative guy. All it takes is for the HIV-negative guy to stay away from barebacking with strangers. And because anon-steathing is avoidable and preventable anon-stealthing situations are not as horrible as some here have said. Anon-stealthing is also very important for those HIV-negative bottoms who are toying with the idea of chasing and taking risks turns them on. We read many of these stories here. Anon sex is such a powerful experience for so many men, and all the action in bathhouses and darkrooms is such a big turn-on, that I dislike the idea of censoring something preventable like anon-stealthing, and thus denying some who want to on occasion live the experience of stealthing.

I like anonymous sex precisely because the guys in the cruising area are not people but bodies for me to enjoy. If I want to suck cock and some guy want to suck mine, I move to the next guy. I don't do that when I'm having sex with another human being as you say and I would have to adapt my needs to my partner's needs. It's all fine when I'm in the mood to share my sexuality. But if I want to basically have sex with myself but with cocks and holes available for my pleasure instead of jerking off at home, I go to a cruising-for-sex place (bathhouse, darkroom, gloryholes). For me anon sex is all about my needs, my fetishes and no one else's. I'm sure most guys into anon sex feel this way too. And both kinds of sex are so different that if I see someone I know at a bathhouse, it screws things up for me because now there is someone in the that I have to look at him as a person. I then no longer interested in sex. Anon sex is it's own beast. I accept anon stealthing because infection is totally preventable and it's up to the HIV- guy. The way to avoid HIV infection is to get to know your sexual partners and discuss with them their STD tests results and both sexual behaviour. There's no point in condemning anon stealthing because no matter how much it's demonized, it won't go away. The solution is for HIV- guys who wanna stay negative not to place themselves in a possible anon stealthing situation. I'm convinced that some guys who oppose anon stealthing do so out of the frustration that "safe anon sex" is virtually impossible. They would like to go to a bathhouse, get on a sling and have only HIV-negative guys fuck them and breed their hole. And if a horny poz guys shows up, they want the poz guy to say "I'm sorry, but I'm poz and I don't want to infect you". So naive!

You are not mentioning the situation in which the stealthing occurs so I must assume that you condemn all kinds of stealthing, including in anonymous situations. When I'm at a bathhouse or a darkroom I'm not concerned at ALL about the other guys around me, so it's not a two-way exchgange. I'm there to fulfill MY fetishes, whatever they are, including stealthing if it applied to me. Why would a horny poz guy who goes to a bathhouse after bars close be concerned about ethical issues like consent? He's drunk and horny and if he wants to fuck and breed some hot hole in one of the rooms of the bathhouse, he'll lie if he needs to. Even in countries where it's illegal to lie about your HIV status it would be pretty difficult to bring charges against a guys who stealthed. How can one bring charges to an anonymous breeder? I think we all agree that stealthing someone who is known, like a love or a date, is not right. So, can we restrict the discussion to anonymous stealthing where the guy being stealthed bares some responsibility?

At some point I thought I was only after the load but really, some guys fuck so nicely that I really enjoy the pounding. Obviously, getting the load gives it a good finale.

For me, whether or not stealthing is wrong depends on the situation. The more anonymous the situation, the more acceptable If find stealthing is. If a slutty bottom is on a sling at a bathhouse and before each guy fucks him he asks them "Are you clean?", then I see nothing wrong if the top fucks him and dumps his toxic load in the bottom's hole. It would be like leaving your car with the keys in the ignition and running and then complain because someone stole it. No, there is something to be said about personal responsibility. In other circumstances, where guys chat, get together for coffee, and treat each other as human beings and not just cocks and holes, then I find stealthing to be inappropriate. So, is stealthing morally OK? It all depends.

At least in my area, I now see in Craigslist many guys advertising their private gloryhole they have at home. Years ago my gloryhole was the only one and for about 10 years I had a constant stream of guys coming by, some ongoing visitors to my GH. Are there now more Private Gloryholes being advertised in your area?

What about stopping the Meds and getting into stealthing anon negative holes? Some poz guys get into this fetish...

While I'm getting fucked I let the top do it the way he wants it. Some tops like to pull out to avoid shooting to quickly while others like to pull out, stick the tip of their cock, etc, and that's OK with me. It's only once I realize the top is getting ready to shoot that I encourage him to go deep, usually by whispering "Go deep when you start shooting your load". It sometimes turns the top on and he cum quickly but saying that to the top makes it clear to him that I want his load deep in my hole.

We tend to assume that all stealthers are Poz but I think that guys stealth because bareback feels better that shooting inside a condom. I can't even remember when was the last time I came inside a condom but I used to hate it. So many times getting stealthed does not mean you will get pozed (apart from the fact thet HIV is not easy to transmit). A bit outside the topic: When I read accounts like this I'm more convinced that stealthing in cruising-for-sex places should be a valid alternative not to be demonized.

I like There is an issue of semantic because words like "gay" and "straight" have very ambiguous meanings. Many guys think of themselves as gay because they like to suck cock or they get turned on more by men's bodies. But the problem is that the need to suck cock or getting turned on by men's bodies can have other explanations. I like the interpretation of sex that safestsex.org has on their website: http://safestsex.org/aboutmen-en.php In my opinion, the biggest problem for married men who wanna try sex with men are STDs, all of them, not only HIV.

These are mostly younger guys who are looking for specific type of guy to fuck them. I find guys like this in bathhouses, door open, on their stomach, but you hear the "No thanks" when you walk in and touch their lubed hole. I never find older slutty bottoms who are not picky, mostly the younger ones.

I think the resistance may be related with skipping a dose if he is infected because of the missing dose and he continues to take Truvada. I'm not sure though.

I found this video with a collection of bottoms cumming while they get fucked. I didn't think I would enjoy it but I did! "Buncha Bottoms Cumming" http://www.xtube.com/video-watch/Buncha-Bottoms-Cumming-26390141

Not only the dialogue but also what the tops says and the sounds he makes as he shoots his load in what I know is my hole. Audio recording is easier to hide than video and as KptNLine says, some audios can be real hot. I have a few cassette tapes with audio from anon fuck sessions I had years ago. I have some newer ones which are digital and I get really turned on when I hear them. I used to take the recorder to the bathhouse and record the action in my room.

Yesterday I attended my first Cumunion party at sauna GI-Joe in Montreal (Canada). I rented a room with a sling. As I usually do, I used my English and French versions of my glow-in-the dark signs "Cream my Hole". As guys walked by the room they would see me sitting on a low stool with a black leather hood and the glowing signs hanging on the wall behind me. I thought it would be important to stress the fact I was into bareback given that Cumunion was going on. I took a few loads in my mouth but some guys would suggest we move to the sling and I knew that while I sucked them they could read the signs. The guy that I enjoyed the most was a daddy type with a very nice uncut cock (many uncut cocks in Montreal, because of the Catholic influence) who delivered a beautiful load in my ass while he growled which was music in my ears. I also had a lot of fun in the gloryhole area which was very crowded. I later a few times jumped on one of the public slings and spent some quality time and took a few loads. I ended up being a big slut and I know it was risk, but too much fun.

I went to my first Cumunion which took place at the sauna GI-Joe in Montreal. An I wasn't impressed because I saw more condoms being used that I've ever seen at a bathhouse. I still don't see what's so good about Cumunion parties because I didn't see anything different from a regular night at the sauna. I've been many times at the GI-Joe and Cumunion looked like a regular night.

I think I mentioned this in another thread. Many tops love a sloppy hole already loaded with some other guy's load. The bottom may be HIV- but one of those loads could potentially infect the top.

Whenever someone says to me "You must be gay because you prefer to have sex with men" I remind them that it's no really that I am "attracted" to men but more to the way men like having sex: anonymous, NSA, fetishes, group and drama-free action (no jealousy or shit like that). Love may be involved, but it will be more like the bottom falling in-love with the top as his hole is being pumped with a load. A very temporary feeling of love, but still love. I remember once being at a cruising park and making out with some random guy. He said to me "You turn me on so much!" I reached down and noticed he had a raging hard-on. I then realized how hot it is to get a real life touchable object, the hard-on, that proves the statement "You turn me on so much!" From a woman, I would have to take her word because the kind of feedback that the body of a woman can give will never equal a hard-on. Why can't a "straight" man, a man who doesn't feel different from other men, a man who may be married or have a girlfriend, why can't any of these men be able to enjoy what sex with men have to offer that sex with women doesn't, without having to define those men as "closeted" gay. Many "Straight" married guys show up at those hotel unlocked door, ass up on the air, take all loads events. It's a pretty hot scene that some "straight" men have a hard time saying no to. Maybe if more women offered the same kinds of hotel walk-ins these married men would go for them. But all the available cumholes are men so they go for men. I'm of the opinion that the term "gay" should only be used in a situation of self-identity. A guy may consider himself to be gay because he loves having sex with men in public toilets, bathhouses, etc. But this should not mean that all the men who frequent these same places are gay. I had NSA sex with men for a long time but "being gay" has never resonated with me. Most guys who proclaim being gay talk about being different from the other boys. I never felt any different from the other boys, just more adventurous.