tallslenderguy

Waking this thread up... been thinking about piss again and maybe draw my heartthrob back into the conversation 😉 There's so much to this, and You hit on many of the bonding points with me. i think a Mans seed has an actual psychological power over the bottoms brain and sense of well being. That, in a sense, His seed is a sort of drug that He can addict a bottom... to Him. This has actually been studied between men and women, not two guys, so i'm extrapolating. Piss, for me, has some unique bonds where a Top can bind me too Him, more psychological though. Some Tops like to be mean, even bullying, and use piss accordingly. To me, they mis a more powerful opportunity when they feel the need to be mean to control or elicit submission from a bottom. As i see it, one of the things a Top loves to exercise is His control. Sure, a Top might piss in my mouth and force it, and even though there is a part of me that might give in, He won't have my full submission, my heart. my fantasy of a Top who gradually, gently and even in a sneaky way, introduces me to drinking piss from His cock is so much more powerful, because He is going after all of me, not just the physically, but psychologically-mind fuck and impregnation. i don't doubt that a Top with understanding and skill could take me from a place where i'm hesitant or nervous about drinking piss from HIs cock, to begging for it. One of the things that really gets me HOT about drinking piss from a Mans cock in this way is something that can be tricky. i've called it "affectionate degradation/humiliation" in other places. A lot of nice Men shy away from that, because they are not mean and they associate it with being mean... and it can be. On the other hand, it can be deeply affirming too. i am wired to love pleasing a Man. Most Men love the feeling of relieve and release they get from pissing. Most Men love sex too. So, combining the two can nurture those two things in a Man. Lust, when fed, tends to grow. For me, when excitement and lust grow in a Top from things He is doing with me, mine grows too. And in my experience, when a Top sees my excitement and lust growing from the lusts He is exercising with me, His lust is further fueled, like stepping on the gas pedal. He can say things like: "you like being my toilet, don't you?" He can say that in a mean way, or He can also say it in a joyful, lustful way because He sees the truth of it. He has drawn a lust out of me that is real. He didn't force it, He did expose it though, and He can take a certain pride in that. The truth is, i feel proud of Him and am grateful to Him for opening me in that way, and really loving what He has done and the part of me He has exposed. There's all sorts of parts He may have as a Top that might get fed. For instance, He might be an exhibitionist and He could get off on a scenario like were having a dinner party with friends and He announces to me and our guests that He has a treat for them. He calls me over and asks in front of our (gay and understanding) guests: "you like to drink My piss from My cock, don't you?" When i answer shyly, but excitedly "yes," He takes it to the next step and asks: "so you love being my toilet, don't you? you are proud to be my toilet?" i may be blushing big time, but i am also sooo turned on by His obvious excitement as a Top and Exhibitionist, that it's like He has a leash and collar on me and i am happily taking a walk with Him as i answer: "i do." He then states: "I need to piss, will You please help me out?" And i'd likely go to my knees as He lowers His jeans and i take His cock in my mouth and drink His piss from His cock. But so much more is happening than me drinking His piss. There is a deep affirmation happening between both of us... in front of witnesses.

idk, etiquette is an evolving thing. i think online can really bring out the self absorbed asshole in some people. Too blunt? lol my take is, if someone approaches you politely, it's good to take a few seconds to acknowledge their effort. i'm happy to see that the majority so far have voted for some sort of honest, polite reply. If walking down the street someone smiled and said "hi," would you ignore them? Would you make the effort to build a wall between you and that person? But for some reason, online has changed simple courtesy.

15 minutes ago. Yep, same sweet FB. Was outside doing work on some pavers i put in on my parkway. Came in and checked my phone, He had texted me an hour earlier. i told Him i could be ready after showering, and He told me He could make it on the way to the doctor (orthopedist), but it would have to be a "quickie." That doesn't bother me in the least. When i have a regular FB, i tend to get something akin to addicted to Him. i really think there is something to the study that demonstrated semen in hetero relationships affects the brain center sense of well being. i think it's true with gays also, the gut is definitely absorptive. Even if it's just psychological, i love having a FB, and yeah, His energy, cock, orgasm and cum feel like a 'fix' to me, just has this effect. Receiving a Mans orgasm is so much better than having one of my own. Fuck, i feel good.

For me, a big part of my 'bottom nature' is being the receiver for a Tops lust, need. Doing something to myself on cam feels like me trying to top myself, even if there's a guy on the other end watching and wanting it, it just doesn't work for me. On the other hand, i can be turned on by a voyeur and by an exhibitionist. As i am, i perceive both of those as "Top" attributes and am attracted to Men who want that in interaction with me. E.g., a Top who gets off on breeding me in front of others, or gets off on seeing me bred by others are both turn ons for me. i think some guys are able to get this desire me just through cam, but i need the physical presence as well. If a Top want's to cam these things in person, I'm game, but that's different to me than being in a room alone performing.

You describe the perfect Top (to me). This energy corresponds to my own and draws it like a magnet. Your comment about "merely a glance" makes me think of an experience i've written about on BZ before. i was driving down a busy road in Portsmouth VA several years ago, in my beat up truck. A Guy pulled up next to me, "glanced" over and made eye contact as He passed and pulled in front of me. i followed Him. He turned into a Burger King parking lot, walked into the restaurant and into the mens room. i followed. Once in the mens room, He locked the door behind us and wordlessly pulled my jeans down and bent me over. He unzipped and spat on His cock and on my hole, slid in and bred me, pulled out zipped up and left. All without a word. i had to scramble to lock the door behind Him so i could pull my jeans up from around my ankles, hole gaped and dripping His seed. Guess He had that super power.

lol, You make a great argument for shape shifting.

For me, it depends... and also (for me) leg shaving is not the sole purview of bottoms or sluts. 🙂 i have skinny bowed legs that are naturally hairy. Psychologically, there's a part of me that gets off on being hairless, it 'feels' more bottom, sub, to me, but with me that is dependent on the Man i am with to fully experience that part of myself. If i'm with a Guy who loves hair, i'm staying hairy, if He is turned on by hairless (especially if He wants to make me that way!!!) then i want to be hairless. Unlike being bottom or top, hair is an area where i can choose, guess one could say i'm versatile as regards hair, or more accurately, hairless versatile lol. That said, in general terms, i think my legs look better with hair on them. But if the Man i am with is turned on by them being hairless, they look better hairless to me. Re the Man i am with? Shaved, muscular legs are HOT and extremely virile looking to me. i think skinny legs look better with hair, but it's a fine point, not a big deal to me either way.

Sexually speaking? To me: There is nothing better than symbiosis.

i think this is a great discussion. To me, this gets down to how one approaches life in general. Are there static absolutes that make our standards static and absolute, or is life fluid and our standards evolving? To me, that is a larger, foundational discussion. i see two general groups (with infinite varying degrees) in the BDSM community, Those who believe BDSM defines the person, and those who believe the person defines what BDSM is. In my experience, the first group tends towards ego/ethnocentricity, while the second group is more inclined to delineate that who and how they are/believe is not a/the universal standard. To my way of thinking, the first group tends to relate to a/the (their ascribed to) standard, the second to a/the person.

Bout 10 minutes ago, same sweet FB i've written about the last several times. He's such a sweet, horny Top, we're just what the other wants/needs. He contacts me much more often than i'm able to open for Him, often i'm at work on a 13 hour shift. Just ends up getting me horny at work lol. He contacted me, i prepped and texted Him back: "ready." Same routine, i leave my back door open and am lying on my bed naked and ass up. He comes in and we say a friendly "Hi" while He strips and straddles my legs. He lubes a little and slides right in (i have a pretty ready hole). He told me He had 2 loads in Him "if that's alright." lol, Fuck yeah. He left me so creamy, damn i feel good having His orgasm and seed inside of me. i really love hearing a Mans sigh and feeling His body relax after He releases Himself and deposits a part of Himself into me. Such an awesome gift we have with sex.

This thread caught my eye again this morning, so a few more thoughts. For me, there is a world of difference between being Top, bottom or versatile. Though i do see it as a spectrum, even the versatile guy who is somewhere in the middle, seems to be feeling/wanting/needing to be top or bottom and any given moment. i find myself thinking about me being bottom this morning. i just finished my rotation at the hospital. It's exhausting work and i go without sex or cumming during my rotation... so my horniness builds. There's a part of my physical need/desire that wants to jack off and cum, but psychologically and physically, i want/need a Mans orgasm and seed in me. i suspect it's similar with a Top. A Top can also masturbate and relieve some of the tension, but i am guessing that that only takes care of some of the physical tension ad not the psychological need/desire. Though i am feeling need/desire right now that i know i could relieve somewhat by masturbating, i find myself resisting that because i really want/need a Man who wants/needs to breed someone like me. Once i get that, even if i have not cum, the desire/need to orgasm is sated in me. i may want to get bred more lol, but the tension to cum using my penis goes away. To me, that is a big difference between a Top and bottom.

Like others have expressed, i think it depends on the type of feeling you are talking about. Physically? Both feel good to me. Psychologically, it takes a very specific kind of bottom to evoke any kind of desire in me to top, so rare it doesn't even warrant honorable mention lol. Sex is pretty much never 'just' a physical act for me. Even when it is anonymous, multiple cocks at a cruising local, i can sense the energy, lust, need in a Top or bottom. To me they are so distinctly different that i will be either attracted or repelled, just like putting two magnets together. Opposites attract, same pushes apart. The only cock i will pass on is attached to a guy who is doing it as a compromise, or who isn't really into it, mechanical. i've had a few versatile or versatile bottoms who wanted quid pro quo, and that is a turn off to me. Just fucking because they view it as something they have to do to get what they want defeats the main point of sex for me, which is meeting mutual need/desire.

This is some great input (so to speak). i love an experienced Man who can discern a "relaxed loose beat up a little" hole. As a receiving bottom, i wanna have some form of lube, be it cum, spit or lube. Of course, the best is cum. Regardless of what one may have read, a hole can be permanently changed. At least, mine sure is. It's changed to more of a receptive organ than a retentive one. i still have full control of retention, even fluids when a Man pisses in me, but i have to make effort because it's not just automatically retentive as it was when i was less used and opened. One thing has not changed though, and that is how friction feels. i will receive a Mans cock however He puts it in, but i don't enjoy dry. i do love when a Top loves to eat a hole first, that opens me and makes me more pussy-like. Not all guys know about lube (again, any kind) and how wetness can affect a bottoms hole making it more of an organ to receive Their cock. i can tell when a Top is more experienced because He knows how to prep and manipulate the hole He is going to breed. Re the "relaxed loose beat up" comment. Fucking perfect description and tone for me. One of the things that happens when i have taken multiple cocks and loads close together is my hole swells inside, but at the same time is more opened. It takes fewer cocks to get that affect at this point in my life. One good fuck leave my hole swollen and with pussy lips... and, usually, hungry.

i posted on this early on, just re-read the entire thread, love the posts and energy. i love the idea behind piss fucking as much as the actual act. For me, the act and attitude can be deeply intimate while having a very sharp mind fuck, D/s edge. The psych factor of a Man using another man as a toilet to relieve Himself adds a layer of bonding to me that gets into the deeper aspects of "bondage." i've experienced a Man pissing in me on several occasions where there was no discussion about it prior, where He just assumed He could do it, that that was part of the dynamic. Don't misunderstand, i'm not one who gets into force or bullying, meanness shuts me down and is opposite of the connection i look for with a Man. This is different, sort of risky on His part because He doesn't know for sure, not having my consent, but apparently feels enough of a connection to take the risk. There's also the aspect of His need and driving lust that turns me on and elicits a sort of adoring sub response in me. i love experiencing that intuitive connection where He seems to realize i want His lust as much as He wants to express it in this way.

i 'judge" you and where you have "arrived," but in a totally positive way. To me, the fact that you have spent time, emotion and intellect on who and how you are is very sexy. It literally turns me on. Which i think is kinda interesting because it follows a line of reasoning that our mating can be motivated by certain qualities that we find valuable in the other person, and in humans i think that can get complex, even if it's not always a conscious factor. I.e., i will receive any Man, cock and seed that needs/wants me, but the connection/s is/are different and individual with each fuck and breed. There's a connection with all, but the quality and extent of connection is unique with each. i too think of my sexuality as a 'gift' of sorts from nature, or whatever it is that determines such things. i honestly cannot conclude if there is intelligent design or we are a random roll of the genes, or some combination of both. But i do feel gratitude that i express... often to the ether.

i can see two ways to phrase this question: "Do you think we are born to be a cumdump" or "do you think we are born cumdump." i see a difference, one involves volition to me, the other not. Either way, i think the question is just a more specific rendering of the age old question of nature vs nurture. To me, a more important question is "why do we ask?" i came up in a religious culture that taught that gays should not be, that men having sex with men is a 'sin' against nature, or how we were "created" to be. That it's part of the "fallen" nature, etc.. Once i left that way of thinking, the question didn't matter anymore. The more important thing for me is discovering what is and learning how to live well with reality, not spend my life trying to conform to someone else's ideas of who and what i 'should' be. That said, i cannot remember a time when i did not want to be a receptacle for a Mans need to breed, pleasure, orgasm, seed. They're all connected to me, and they represent a more complete way of connecting and bonding. To me, "cumpdump" is a sort of hyper expression of all of that. i've also wondered if it is a manifestation of the natural drive to procreate, a form of being in heat? No evidence of this, it's all speculative, but i can imagine over time, the mix of genes and possible predispositions one might have gets mixed and changed all the time each time a new person is born. It makes sense to me that gay guys have some of the components of women along with their male components. Maybe those who need seed have some of the components and drive a woman has to receive? Idk. To me it feels like i have the female need to reproduce as a receptacle, fused by the testosterone and male need to reproduce. It seems common notion that most guys have a high sex drive. It's enough for me to know i want/need a Man and, so much of what goes with that, inside of me... i don't need to know why in order to live that out.

You'd make a good nurse.

Not so "silly" me thinks. Pulling from my nursing/science knowledge/experience. If the idea is to get rid of pathogens, there are two things that can be done. Killing and/or removing them. Soap and water is more in the direction of removing pathogens. It's a standard for wound care. Using "disinfectant" on a wound can also 'kill' the bodies own defense mechanisms, so antibiotics and disinfectants are reserved for infection when the bodies defense/repair mechanisms may be overwhelmed. Dish soap and water are very effective for lifting and removing pathogens away from a surface. Chemicals like alcohol or bleach kill some pathogens, but not others. Peroxide is a great surface disinfectant, our bodies actually make peroxide. Of course, chemicals can also damage some toys. Heat does not kill everything, nor does cold. Alcohol doesn't kill everything, bleach is pretty broad spectrum, as is a quatricide, but again, runs the risk of damaging toys, and also want to make sure they are completely rinsed as you don't want those chemicals inside your body. Personally, i go the direction of removing pathogens (soap and water) vs killing bacteria or destroying virus.

Might wanna ask vs assume when it comes to poppers. If He has never used them, and is unfamiliar with them, he may see them differently from you. If he is nervous about taking his first load, he might also be nervous about taking his first poppers? i'd taken a lot of cock prior to experiencing poppers, but i have a no drugs, no alcohol background, may wanna discuss it with him. Otherwise, reading all your posts, i cannot imagine a better person for his first experience taking a load. You are thoughtful, considerate and genuinely care about this guy, so it seems the best he could hope for. He's not a virgin, nor is his hole, so he'll just take more time to open... but he is made for cock, eh? So he will open eventually. To me, your attitude is key. i can feel it when a Top is anxious to get in... re cock, that ceased to be an issue long ago, but it still matters if He is opening me with a large toy or His hand. As other's have mentioned, let him be and feel control about You getting in. If his bottom wiring is anything like mine, once he is opened and You are in, You own him and his hole. It's gaining that ownership that takes care, understanding and skill, and You seem to have that.

A few random thoughts. i'm seeing this thread in the "General Discussion" forum, so i am not taking it as specifically speaking of "chasing/gifting," but a more general question about BB? Like hntnhole, i find it curious that the OP has been on BZ since 2014, but also see he has only made 7 posts, so i can see where he may have joined and then has not been active. Since you state you "...can't go back to using rubbers," it seems your screen name is outdated lol (i.e., you are no longer a "virgin.") In other responses, i'm reading words like "addictive" and "promiscuous." Both of those words strike and off key chord in me. Probably because, for me, they are labels used pejoratively by both heteronormative and religious culture, and i grouse at letting them set or own the standard. If one needs eight glasses of water a day to be healthy, is it addiction? Is the quantity excessive? i think a lot of the confusion and conflict we feel is when our reality comes up against someone else's reality, and they treat their reality as the standard for all. That is ego and ethnocentric. Fuck that. They don't get to define us, we do.

This question has a lot of angles for me and doesn't have a simple answer. i guess i don't qualify as a "cumpig" because i want to receive and experience as much of the Man as i can. While His cum is an important part of Him that i want/need left inside of me, i do not disconnect it from the rest of Him. While i admit to putting the contents of used condoms in my hole, it's not the same for me, sort of a form of masturbation for me? For me, getting fucked by a Man involves several things: first, His desire/need to fuck and breed. If a Man doesn't want me and is just going through the motions, it's missing something vital for me. Secondly, His orgasm. i find i am wired in such a way that it's like His orgasm becomes my orgasm, like it leaves His body and enters mine. Weird, i know but there is something very satisfying and fulfilling for me about being the receiver of His orgasm. Honestly, i cannot tell the quality of how much a Man cums when it happens, especially when His orgasm causes Him to thrust deep to deposit His seed deep. i want it as deep as i can get it, and i hold it and want to absorb it. i'm not one to "push" His cum out of me, so quantity is usually an unknown for me. What is significant for me is that His orgasm is full and complete, that He has emptied Himself into me and that makes me a sort of container for Him. Which is not to say that the idea of quantity is not a turn on for me, it is. But without pushing it out, quantity is hard to quantify lol. i'm of the belief that a Mans cum, when absorbed, has an effect on the brain. There have been studies that substantiate this between men and women, so it's unsubstantiated belief on my part, but i think cum has a bonding quality to it. On a separate, but for me related, note. For me, piss can run a close second to cum. It can involve a lot of the same elements for me, if the Man is into it. While it does not involve orgasm on His part, there is a pleasure and release a Man gets when He pisses. There's also a mind fuck element that can be very bonding. There's a impregnating factor. When i hold and absorb a Mans piss, i can smell that He has impregnated me when i pee, it can be pretty fucking awesome. Also, there is quantity side to piss that cannot compare to cum. Every Man can piss more than He can cum lol. Because of the quantity, i can feel when a Man is pissing in me and it leaves me with a full feeling.

Ha... in context of the op question, that would make all of us demons and members of the "Department of enforcement and punishment," which seems to hit the mark to me.

Right? i encounter this all the time. Screen name: "Topforyou" or "Cockforyou" or "Dickinyou", then you read the profile and it's all about him wanting to get fucked lol. my screen name is positionally neutral, but my profiles so clearly spell out i'm total bottom, both pics and words. i rarely even have a pic with my penis in it, but i do have several with it tucked. lol, i usually put those in the 'private' pics section because they're pretty kinky and not everyone will understand those pics without some conversation.

Seeing your name on a gay site, being married does not occur to me, i immediately think you are in chastity... maybe a double entendre? Ditto Bootman. i get it. i was married to a woman 31 years. my freedom came when i finally figured out that my very real cage was not my marriage, but the beliefs that kept me married, not the marriage itself.

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