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Well .... all I can say is, you really get it ... your understanding, of who and what we are is truly impressive. I admire your thought-process, your fierce determination to live life in YOUR terms, not those who presume to know better. My mutze is off to you, my Brother !!!

First, thanks for the understanding, Baretop4ever; I appreciate that your words tremendously. But here's another way to think of having sex: We can't always do it, but every time you head out to fuck, try to think each encounter as a "first time thing", or "new" Hole.. As if it actually were like your wonderful experience with the cleric. Even if you've Seeded it a number of times, think of it as a fresh encounter. Keep your cleric mentor in the back of your mind, and approach the fuck with a fresh mental outlook - or as much as you can, anyway. These days, I like to hit the darkrooms, where (for me) there is nothing there but flesh waiting for flesh - just Cocks rutting in Holes, guys sucking off Cocks, in groups, singly, whatever. It scratches my itch, without summoning up days gone by. Of course, it comes to mind how he would have loved sucking this Cock or that, fucking this Hole or that, but I don't allow myself to dwell on those fleeting thoughts. We must live in the present; it can't be healthy to allow the past to illuminate our path forward, however bright (or dim, for that matter). We must re-ignite our guiding light (I mean, not just sex, but the other aspects of our lives as well) each day, make it count in some way, You have a firm concept of what I'm trying to say, as the above makes clear. "other" kinds of best sex are always out there, waiting to be found. Yes, the doors are wide open, and I'm certain your Cock will precede the rest of your body through those doors with all the excitement, enthusiasm, and inborn urges any bottom could possibly want. ps ..... you will let us know when you take the raw porn industry by storm, won'tcha ......

Yeah, I know .... not that I won't, but drunk college kids aren't my usual focus. True, some may find their way to the backrooms / Slammer ... there's a noticeable uptick during spring break .... we'll see ..... <filthy grin>

Agreed. Thus, I will bow out of this thread ...

I see the key word in your question as being "philosophically". As it happens, I'm 5 days away from the 14th anniversary of my life-partner's passing. The reason I mention this is germane, in that - for me - there's with him, and since him. Everything with him was fireworks. Since then, there are occasional "sparklers", and even the regular indulging my Lusts, while fun, enjoyable, often thrilling, it's still since him. I've carried on enough previously about the "connection" we can achieve and won't go into all of that again. Thus, my philosophy is to be thankful for the past, but live in the present. I don't expect any fireworks anymore. I had more than my share, and I feel (without referencing any O.R. bs) very richly blessed for those years. I am under no illusions. If/when I have a "special" connection with a sub, great - a pleasant surprise, but I don't expect it. Since I am still amongst the living, healthy, horny and all of that, I am still a Breeder of other men's Holes because that's an important part of who and what I am, and I love indulging my sexual requirements as much now as I did then. But, there's only one Everest, and Hillary wasn't the only man to get to the top. Once you've been to the top, there are no more mountains tall enough to surpass - and that's ok with me. I am content.

I'd agree, but the fuckjoints weren't shut down for all that long around here. It used to be that RR had "dick-cops" walking around the patio, the johns, to make sure no guys had their Cock's out of their pants. A while ago though, that went out the window - now guys are raw-fucking by the pool table in the front bar. The (newer) Eagle over in WM is wide-open. The cruisers at night around RR are plentiful ... I guess all kinds of people are really tired of the pandemic. I don't know, but I think that most gay guys are vacced against covid, etc. Of course, that pie-faced fool of a Governor hasn't helped with the covid mess at all ...

If that's what you'd love to do, it's not nonsense at all. I'm not sure how well it could be accomplished, since most glory holes are small - just enough room for the Cock & (maybe) the balls to get through - and effectively eating a Hole would need more access than a gh would provide. To the question though, no. Eating the Hole is the appetizer - and I'd want the main course too.

From a Top's perspective: 1. face turned sideways, cheek flat against the bed/surface. 2. shoulders flat on the bed/surface. 3. arched back concavely, presenting the Hole first and foremost to the eye & Cock, thereby diminishing the visual of the rest of the body, and enhancing the most vulgar and enticing visual, hopefully leaking Sperm off previous Cocks. 4. knees spread as widely as possible, thus emphasizing the primacy of the Hole. It's all about Cock/Hole/Sperm

I would just LOVE to hit the fuckjoints with you ... sounds like you'd be a fantastic BreedBuddy ... share Holes, rut in Holes together ... Breed Holes together .... the darkrooms there are extraordinary ... those vaulted basements full of men giving / taking loads ... we could put a sweat on so many brows .... smiles on so many faces ....

So can I. It can open the flesh like a bullwhip or a carelessly used singletail, which kind of activity I simply don't endorse. That boy went downstairs at IML to the Leather Mart and bought it. It was years ago - I can't recall what I was doing at the time, but it wasn't that boy, so I don't know which vendor. While I still have it, I used it for maybe 2,3 strokes on that occasion, and that was it. Never used it again. I have a number of floggers, and made use of them many times, but never that rubber instrument of torture that boy handed me. Physical distress - carefully administered and controlled - is one thing: Slicing open the flesh is quite another.

This is the crucial difference, as described by a man who lived the experience from the bottom. It is entirely possible, under the tutelage of a responsible Dom, for a sub to be trained to perform certain functions for the sexual pleasure of the Dom. I recall one young man that came to me, wanting to be trained in sexual service as a sub. After no small amount of mental work, and getting started on some rudimentary Bd/Sm, it became clear that all he "really" wanted was to answer his inner need to become a happy, guilt-free cumdump. Somehow he'd gathered the notion that Bd/sm experience was a prerequisite to fulfilling his deepest need. And that's ridiculous. I took him to IML that year, he went down to the LeatherMart and bought a rubber (!) flogger, marched into my room and handed it to me, saying "use this on me". I knew far better - having begun with only a 10-fall deerskin flogger, which was all he could take. I also found out that he was in an unhappy "relationship", which he couldn't bring himself to leave, however much he wanted to. Of course, that's what turned out to be the crux of his issue, but he was never-the-less quite vulnerable to being trained. We worked on getting his head in the right place more than we worked on distressing his body, and in a couple of months he was able to disengage from the relationship, enter one more aligned with his compulsions, and lived a happy life for several years, but passing of hiv a few years later. So, with some responsible guidance, he was able to accept his inborn nature, toss out the cultural baggage, and have at least a few years of fulfillment in his life. "Altering" a man to accept what he's not wired to accept is neither healthy nor (at least in my mind) possible. "Conditioning" a man to become what he truly needs to become is simply awesome.

What this boils down to, is honesty. If a guy who happens to be a Top gets more change on a $20 bill, and decides to just pocket the extra dough, it's dishonest. If a guy is at some other guy's house for a fuck, and picks up some doo-dad that catches his eye and rips it off, that's dishonest. If a Top is asked to pull out before he shoots, and agrees to do that and doesn't, it's not only dishonest, it's reprehensible. Bottoms: if you don't think they guy will pull out, even if he says he will, then either walk away. If you're concerned about serious illness, stick to guys you can trust to do what they say. If you're not concerned about serious illness, then why bother to ask the Top to pull out. Tops: if you think it's "hot" to lie to the guy taking your Cock, it isn't. Being responsible to the guy bending over for you is "hot". This life isn't for the faint-of-heart or the faint-of-Hole. If you need to Seed the Hole, then there are tons of Holes out there needing your Seed - give it to a row of them. Look: We have to take care of each other. It's not like we're the paragons of Decency to the rest of the population. We live our lives on the edge, and that makes us dangerous to the norms of culturally repressed folks. So know the situation, accept that we're the only ones who will behave decently towards our fellow rawfuckers. It's all about Cock/Hole/Sperm - delivered (or not) as agreed

100% ... and thanks. I rather doubt that anyone could come close to what was, and it would be unfair of me to even expect it.

^ jumped off the page for me, BaphometNocturne. I'm sorry you found yourself in that place, That said, yes, a lot of "people are shit", or said a bit more graciously, not living up to their potential. High standards in a relationship does not automatically exclude sexual lusts, and for some reason it seems you've been attracting the attentions of other men's issues. Since you did honestly discuss your sexual needs, I see no fault of yours in the failure of those relationships. If those photos you posted are you (I'm not really sure how all of that "posting photos" works - some come off the porn sites, some appear to actually be the respondent on BZ), then it's hardly a surprise that other men with "control issues" would want to possess you as a "trophy boy", to have and to suffocate till d.d.y.p.

I would say that it is, since there are still a number of other bugs being passed around. Personally, I would apply it to 1-1 scenes, and not to darkroom/fuckjoint type places, since the only guys that go to such places are reasonably presumed to be not all that concerned. If some Hole in a fuckjoint is taking loads off as many raw Cocks as he can, it's fair for the Top to assume his load will be just as welcome as all the loads already up the bottom's gut.

The thrill just never goes away, does it ... when two (or a hundred and two) guys that really love fucking/getting fucked wind up in the same fuckjoint, it's burning hotttt ...

Interesting post, BaphometNocturne. One act that I find useful (maybe some others would too, maybe not) when thinking through some issue, is asking myself this question: If (X) is so, then why is it so? This can be applied to almost any situation, and - with some thought - can guide us to answering our self-imposed question. Thus, if in a relationship, issues go unresolved, why is that the case? Considered privately, within your own mind, there may be answers to questions that haven't been asked - yet. Well, well .... what's this ?? A potential answer ??? What's so bad about the thrill of sucking off as many Cocks as you want? By your own words, it's "second" nature (if not the first). No one will hate you for sucking off as many Cocks as your lust drives you to suck off. No one will hate you for taking as many loads as you can, as often as you can. That part of you is instinctual, and no better - no worse - than the instinct to eat. It's simply a part of who you are, right? The angst can arise when a number of scenarios develop (usually out of cultural prejudices, or our old enemy, O.R.) Probably the vast majority of gay men have experienced some degree of this attempt to control us. Obviously though - since we're here on BZ - that attempt has been overcome by our innate nature. So, if you've always loved outside sex (i.e. cheating), could it be that you've put yourself in that position, either knowingly or un? If you've made innocuous-yet-untruthful statements, or mislead others about your true nature, then that is regrettable, but you can correct it. Often, (or maybe generally), a bf relationship implies monogamy*, and were I he, I would forgive you, since you may have not known or realized (or considered) that you don't have to try to "hide" your natural, sex-driven self. But, were I he, I would also ask you to be completely honest with me. There's nothing wrong with that. If it queers the relationship, then move on, secure in feeling good about yourself, your forthrightness with your bf, and learn from the misstep. If, on the other hand, you bf and you initiated the relationship on an "open" basis, then why the morose tenor of your post? "Fate" didn't give you a supercharged sex-drive. It's inborn, it's just there. You'll get no "hate" from me, and I would enjoy knowing that you understand that there's nothing wrong with you. *which notion I have been arguing against for a long time. "Communication" about anything between the guys in a relationship is the key, and on any/every subject - particularly whether monogamy or open will be observed. Honesty counts, first with yourself, and then with others, Now give yourself a hug, and go suck some hot Cocks off !!

As long as you're not one of those trigger-happy cops lurking around Minnehaha Falls, I reckon you already have ....😉

This is why I don't particularly like fucking guys high on drugs. They're just not "present" enough for me. There's no chance of a "connection" with a guy when he's off in the clouds somewhere. Sure - at the fuckjoints I know I rut in guys that are using, but I'm not looking for anything more than Holes to rut in either. So, I don't care in the darkrooms. In my home, it's different. I know I take risks when I hit the fuckjoints. I've taken all the precautions available, but I won't give up the rutting in wet Holes, eating them out, Breeding in them. "Manners" has nothing to do with why you take loads - you do it because you're driven by your most basic instincts, and that's reason enough. The "poz" part doesn't have to play a part in you taking countless loads, unless you decide to let it. I hope you do continue to be the man you were born to be, with all the available precautions in place. It's all about Cock/Hole/Sperm

I'd say it means that you're a very lucky guy. We all love the rutting, we know it's a part of our innermost selves. When that necessary sexual behavior is enhanced with learning to care deeply (perhaps even love) the man, then you've got it all. Your lesbian friend is correct: you're no longer on a single-lane road, you're on the finest freeway. Developing that sense of caring, intimacy, closeness is a gift - be thankful for it, and tend to it carefully. I'm assuming your Daddy is well aware of the fact that you're a cumdump, and happy to be one. Maybe he likes it that way. Viking's spot on; Thank whatever you pray to, and accept the richness that love can add to our life's experience. Congrats, bud !!!

Kudos, rawislaw87. That was a great addition. Back in Chicago, there were cumdumps being whored out all the time at the Heart 'O Chicago on Ridge Ave that I attended, but didn't appreciate at the time all the effort that went into the planning. The only times I've hosted groups were at home, when I knew each of the guys I wanted to invite. Your advise on how to plan a totally anonymous whoring is impressive - well done !!!

What a magnificent post ... I wonder what the percentage of the RC clergy are men like that. Imagine: an RC priest that is honest, practicing his lusts as well as his profession !!! You were really fortunate !!! And before anyone jumps in my shit, yes; I have rather little regard for Roman Catholicism. Or any of the other so-called "Main Line" Liturgical outfits, which level of regard has developed over many years of reflection.

Well, neither of us are puppies any more ... but he's a great dog, and very "patient".

about 20 minutes ago ... walking the dog, over by Ramrod ... a guy that had been taking loads all night, in the parking lot on the corner ... was getting fucked between a couple of parked cars ... all he said was let me suck your Cock ... so I did ... the guy fucking him at the moment pulled out so the guy could taste all the loads in his Hole, so I took his Hole ... loads splashed out onto my jeans ... it was hotttt ... pumped my Sperm up his gut ... walked back home with the dog ... feeling great ...

I don't know either .... maybe we've already "met" somewhere along the long, long, lustful line 😉 All things considered, it's not such an outlandish notion .....