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No. There are a lot of locals that go there on a "day pass", spend part of a day having sex, and that's that. There are paths surrounding the buildings so guys can look in the windows at the action (all the slings are hung so guys can see the action through the window. Then, almost every guy with the room leaves the door slightly ajar, so other guys can check out the action through the window, and either come in and join or keep on cruising. There's also plenty of sex in/around the pool, other nooks and crannies on the property. The drugs are mostly used inside the rooms, with the door closed and the shades drawn over the windows. Not that I've ever seen them, but I'd guess that there are undercover cops* in there sometimes too. I suppose for some guys, the drugs are the primary draw - but for most guys, the public fucking is the fun part. *it's Ft Lauderdale - the cops are mostly gay too, and obviously they're not in uniform ...

We went there on vacation many years go - we both thought it was lovely there. I too am sorry to hear that things have changed so much. But, nothing stays the same forever.

Well, to each their own, right? We make our own beds and then we lie in them.

I think the derogatory possibility is more in the way the (potentially) degrading statement is made. For instance: Imagine you're in a fuckjoint where everyone's fucking everyone - or at a buddy's orgy, or anywhere guys are fucking. Saying "you're such a whore" can be delivered with a sneer, a snarl, furrowed brow, and it would be difficult to mis-interpret. Or, a guy can almost purr - like a cat - into a guy's ear, "you're such a whore" in a loving, caring, reinforcing way - and it will be taken as a very high compliment indeed. The first is utterly degrading, and definitely not conducive to a hot fuck. The second can be whispered, quietly, lovingly, into the ear of a hot-Holed boy cumdrunk on Cock, Sperm, taking load after load, and it would be completely affirming of his Lusts for wanton sex.

Around here, the protests are already beginning - mostly anger against muskrat's meddling. I've registered for one on the weekend - my sign will read: "no one voted..." (on the front), and "for a muskrat" (on the back). Don't like it? Downvote it. I don't give a muskrat's ass.

Yes, my other half and I went a number of times, and it was fun. That said, I haven't been back for quite a while, and I hear things are very different there now. I remember this old Spanish lady walking up and down the beaches with tons of those loud, colorful thin, filmy "wraps" calling 'how many - how many" over and over and over. I think I still have a couple somewhere ... But !!! There were some stunningly beautiful Spanish boys with very hungry Holes too ... Mauricio's restaurant was First Class, but a long taxi ride from Blue Chairs (I wonder if it's still there). There were also guys on the beach with long coils of rope, which (once you paid, of course) they'd put you in a harness-like contraption, call (on a phone) a speedboat (with a 455 in it), waiting out in the bay, the speedboat would roar to life, and you'd be yanked into the air and soar out over the bay. That was cool !!!

I agree, when possible, and that would apply in any situation. Some would find it an expensive proposition though, unless a guy really enjoys road-trips and a lot of time in the car.

If you can maintain two residences, why not rent a small condo/apt and come spend a winter in Ft. L. before you decide. Fort Lauderdale is the largest city in Broward County (which is the most reliably "blue" county in the State). There's as much action as you care for - from a couple times a week to all night every night. The mayor of Ft. L. is gay, all the councilpersons are too. A large percentage of the cops are gay - and over in Wilton Manors, everybody is gay (but it's more costly than Ft. L. too). Yes, we get hurricanes during the summer/fall months. Yes, they can be absolutely destructive. FL isn't the place to buy some big fancy house on the beach, fill it with precious everything's and expect that it'll stay like that forever. For that matter, homes well inland can be damaged too. Yes, there are Magaroids around here .... hmmmmm .... that rhymes with something, doesn't it .... but they're not around the gay neighborhoods. Maybe they will be one day - but so far they're not what you'd call "a presence" in the city. Sure - the swamps are full of alligators and magaroids, but they're miles away. Broward in the most reliably Dem county in the state. re; prices - yes, the real estate market has been hot for some time now. That will cool off at some point, and some realtors seem to think it's already starting. If you're interested in the arts, welllllll .... not much of the fine arts anywhere around here. Theatre, galleries are regrettable. There's a semi-pro ensemble in Miami that comes to offer concerts, and at least they don't attempt scores they don't have the forces to carry off. It's not that we don't have the facilities - there's a fine new(ish) Performing Arts center downtown, but then a rather bland stew doesn't taste any better when it's served on fine porcelain either. It all boils down to, how much do you detest Old Man Winter? Here in Ft. L., we just wrapped up a week of "Winter" - temps in the 40's overnight, highs in the upper 60's/low 70's daytimes. That's it. Plus, we can do outside horticulture all year long (if you like that kind of thing - most don't however). I loved Chicago - but I detested the winters, and I have no regrets. Had all the great stuff about living in a great City, and pleased with where I live now.

I have no experience with "private" gh's, but plenty with those in the fuckjoints/backrooms of bars, etc. Aside from the standard medical precautions (PrEP, Pep), the guy that's gone to the trouble of making a gh somewhere in his house demonstrates that he's interested in that particular kind of action, and he's determined enough to create the means by which it can happen for him. I wouldn't be too worried about any issues of your personal safety; clearly any guy that contacts you wants what you've got. After all - he took the trouble to create the venue. If the guy is close to your location, you might wind up getting "regular" out of it.

Agreed. Any of you guys have a hardon for pudgy, well-fed lawyers ??? Give it a coupla months ... there should be plenty rolling around. 😁

You're not the only one. If you're missing something, I am too ....... One would think that we - of all groups of folks - would know better than to hang on to old, long-outdated prejudices. We're all one. We all rise or fall together. Our differences are far less significant than what binds us together. There's an old saying: "Love thy neighbor" and it means "literally".

Not in my understanding of the term. What it counts for is, you love a bottom to understand that you're the guy with the Cock that's going to bring their Holes all kinds of pleasure. And, that's plenty .....

Did you intend an "out" after the "with"? That's an interesting thought. I wonder, however, if any real Dem would attempt to get elected via "seconding" the red wave. The election cycle will start again in about a year, if not less, and the Dems will be hammering for at least a full year before the midterms; some already are. By that time however, there will be an appreciable number of votes up for grabs, as the R's who feel betrayed by T re-think their vote in this past round. T's recent actions appear almost child-like to most paying attention, and as the detritus of his flailing about results in the chickens coming reeeeeeal close to home to roost, there will be many prospective Dem voters to "bring home". In short, Trumpism will be defeated by it's own followers reactionary blowback.

There's already a "sad" button - I just clicked it on your post. However. We could really use an "I'm so pissed off I can hardly breathe" response. Some guys aren't all that proficient in the English (written) language, and can't express themselves within the parameters of BZ.'s accepted responses.

He'll do what he always does: aim his vomit at some other target, all the while denying any culpability.

It's far preferable to eternal (if unrealistic) optimism .... or constant expectation of the worst, which only sours our humanity.

"I like being realistic, being grounded." I too think that's the best path - at least for me - as well. Being open to what the future brings is being a realist: prepared to accept or do what's required to either accept or alter what we're experiencing/about to experience. I call it realism: facing whatever the current situation is on any particular front without any stardust in my eyes, without any judgementalism clouding my mind. What is, is. The think that counts is, how we handle it first within ourselves, and then in how we transmit the situation - our m.o*. - with others. *'method of operation" - (just in case) .....

That's an interesting idea, and I very much hope you can make it work. I would imagine a parade of BZ'ers - pissed off as hell, and horny as fuck - would impress at least a few folks. I would suggest your local (if there is one) LGBT+ political organization, and if there isn't one, then start one. You can get help with that from the National LGBT+ organization(s), if you need help. Or, if you believe you'd have better luck with something non-related, the DNC would be fully supportive. Also, ask your Dem legislators in your state to help. There's also a major metro area not too far from you, and there will definitely be resources (i.e. a new chapter starting in your area) to help. Organize. Build support. Resist. There will be midterms in a couple of years, and politically-speaking, that's an eyeblink or three. There are two such organizations (LGBT+) here in Ft. L. - one local and one the local chapter of the State Dem Organization, and I belong to both, as well as the National Regular Dem Org. Having our hearts and minds in the right place is fine - as far as it goes - which is hardly far enough now. If you were active before, become more active. Support organizations that support freedom. Consider it a tithe - except it's going to a good cause, rather than something that stands against your interests. This is how we win the next round of elections, and do our best to preserve our hard-won freedoms already achieved.

There's a lot I don't understand about why this happened, and I simply cannot get my mind around why some of these folks - gays, trans, all the rest - were unable to see what was coming. Myopia must be far more communicable that any other malady these days.

It seems there are some assumptions afoot that should be addressed. 1. A "bottom" - used as a descriptor - indicates one thing, and one thing only: he likes to get fucked. There are any number of permutations, however. Is he a "BdSm" bottom, and thus willing and able to enter into a negotiation regarding the Top's needs as well as his own? Is he a "Leatherboy" bottom? Is he a cumdump bottom? A bossy mouthy bottom? A quiet, speechless bottom? The permutations can be not quite endless, but seem so. 2. Just because a guy prefers/most needs to bottom, that fact in no way assumes he's anything close to either of the above examples. Maybe he's just a regular guy that loves a hard, raw Cock breeding is Hole. Maybe he'd prefer 20, maybe only 1. This is why, when anything more spicy than a fuck is in play, a "negotiation"* needs to take place, before the action begins. That will obviate any misunderstandings, clear up any mistaken (false) assumptions, and each guy will get a better fuck out of it. For Whatever's sake - don't merely assume, talk to the guy. Tell the guy what your preferred parameters are. This wouldn't be necessary in the case of a cumdump taking load after load - it's already clear what he's interested in. *that word - "negotiation" may imply something to some guys that it's simply not. It's only when one man (Dom) is planning to "take" a boy as his own, care for him, deepen his sexual Lusts, abilities, care for his welfare, in short, "adopt" the boy in a non-legal arrangement that an extensive negotiation simply must take place. A pre-fuck (i.e. in some fuckjoint) negotiation can be as brief as a few words, just enough to make clear what's desired and what isn't. Example: (bottom) "I need Cocks pumping their loads up my Hole, and that's about it". Or "I need to be disciplined" or "I definitely need to be respected as your equal", or whatever is appropriate. I realize that in the heat of a roomful of breeding men, that kind of laying out boundaries may not be needed, That said, when there aren't a roomful of men, maybe it should be exercised. Guys can get injured at worse, and disappointed at best when there's no communication prior, and there's no reason that should happen.

Neither do I. We're born with a sort of "moral compass" - we instinctively know right from wrong. That knowledge can become diffused, shunted into the background by dependance on O.R., which institutions promulgate the notion that we - humanity - "needs" their intercessory prayers, incantations, magic-peddling, blah blah blah. We need to think, ponder, observe for ourselves; not swallow centuries-old contrivances that are designed to sublimate the individual, in favor of the ruling few - the clergy. As far as I'm concerned, Organized Religion has, through the centuries, made itself our enemy, not our friend, and certainly not our "salvation". If the clergy were to peddle their bling and give the proceeds to the poor, it would be at least a step in the right direction. However: There is one area of human endeavor that has flourished under OR; that being the arts; choral music in particular. Without the dough from the clergy, we'd have no Bach Cantatas, none of Mozart's ethereally-lovely works, and all the other old masters, satisfying OR's thirst for religious-themed music has benefitted humanity exponentially more than their greed-infused "message" ever could. More, the work of the portrait artists would never have been contracted for. The Old Masters of the art world worked for the clerics, and civilization has been the beneficiary of their work for centuries. So what do we do? We gratefully accept the good, toss some coins at OR, and ignore the garbage.

All I really want, is a guy that loves hard, raw Cock up his gut. Loves it more than almost anything else, needs it more than almost anything else, and not only is unashamed of it, but will gladly tell any man who asks him. Cumdumps are my hero's.

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This is from my undergrad days, where I worked in the dishroom of one of the dining halls: It would be, go ahead and fuck that hotassed kid from LaGrange .... he wanted it - told me so, but I didn't take him up on it, dammittall. Stupid kid.

Brilliant idea !!! How about this new one - I think it's a variation of the "bird flu"? Or, maybe we need something entirely new - just in case the worm-shit leftovers in what passes for his brain might create a (truly) "false" negative ....